Coronavirus: COVID-19

[matthewfarmery]

Again, my point, you just can't throw money at a problem like this, especailly if beds are in short supply. and also ventilators.

And staff.

That is indeed a very good point, especailly IF they become infected, due to lack of protective equipment. (hazmat suits etc) so indeed, very good point. Even in the UK, those on the front lines are struggling. so it will be a lot worse over in the states, especailly NY.

[felter]

The UK is recalling retirees to try and fill in for staff shortages but a lot of these people haven't been involved in a medicine for a long time and they have to be retrained not just that they have to be insured before they can help out where they are needed. Police are also being called out of retirement and any that are about to retire have been asked to postpone their retirement for the forceable future.

The problem with NY requiring beds, medical aids and staff, is that the rest of America is just one step behind them so they will all be asking for more and more and there is not going to be more or at least as many is needed. Helpful information from Trump, if you needed more respirators you should have bought them a year ago, yes he said it the other day there but he still said it.

Italy has also now overtaken China in confirmed cases, they now have 86,498 confirmed even worse they now have 9,134 deaths, a rise of 969. Also on the death toll, yesterday was not a good day for the UK as our death toll rose by 181, the highest count for a single day so far. Meanwhile America is creeping up on the 100k mark with a current confirmed cases at 94,238, I predict they will hit the 100k before the end of the day, deaths stand at 1,438 with the amount of confirmed cases that they have, at some point the deaths are going to skyrocket. Good news, Spain is saying that while the numbers are going up they also show that the rate of infections is starting to slow.

There are also numerous reports of coronavirus crimes from people in America stealing the hand sanitizer from hospitals, to people faking doctors lines to say they have the virus to get out of work or even one person getting caught smuggling fake test kits from Canada to America. One thing I have noticed in the crime department, is I'm no longer getting any scam calls from India, suppose that's good news.

[Vertigo 7]

25 aboard the Roosevelt have tested positive. I give it 2 weeks before the ship is down to a skeleton crew.

[matthewfarmery]

25 aboard the Roosevelt have tested positive. I give it 2 weeks before the ship is down to a skeleton crew.

indeed, expect all the crew to become infected. I wonder how many US navel vessel might get infected as well?

[Vertigo 7]

25 aboard the Roosevelt have tested positive. I give it 2 weeks before the ship is down to a skeleton crew.

indeed, expect all the crew to become infected. I wonder how many US navel vessel might get infected as well?

Well they're out to sea and pulling into Guam right now. So long as they don't come into contact with others, they won't infect other ships. Supplies are typically helo'd in with the pallets being dropped off without the helocopter landing, and fuel transfers don't involve person to person contact between ships. I think it'll end up being pretty low chance of other ships getting the virus from the Roosevelt.

I fully expect the ship to cancel any shore leave.

On the plus side, carriers have a fully equipped medical staff and facilities. And they're ready to covert large spaces for mass casualties. I'm sure they'll be able to cope.

[matthewfarmery]

25 aboard the Roosevelt have tested positive. I give it 2 weeks before the ship is down to a skeleton crew.

indeed, expect all the crew to become infected. I wonder how many US navel vessel might get infected as well?

Well they're out to sea and pulling into Guam right now. So long as they don't come into contact with others, they won't infect other ships. Supplies are typically helo'd in with the pallets being dropped off without the helocopter landing, and fuel transfers don't involve person to person contact between ships. I think it'll end up being pretty low chance of other ships getting the virus from the Roosevelt.

I fully expect the ship to cancel any shore leave.

On the plus side, carriers have a fully equipped medical staff and facilities. And they're ready to covert large spaces for mass casualties. I'm sure they'll be able to cope.

But my point being, if this one ship has infected crew, then its possible that other ships could be infected too, not by Roosevelt itself, but other means? Time will tell I guess. but I have a feeling this won't be the only ship that has infected crew.

[burger1]

The UK is recalling retirees to try and fill in for staff shortages but a lot of these people haven't been involved in a medicine for a long time and they have to be retrained not just that they have to be insured before they can help out where they are needed. Police are also being called out of retirement and any that are about to retire have been asked to postpone their retirement for the foreseeable future.

So put the people most at risk of dying, getting sick (even with stuff other than covid 19) and requiring a hospital beds on the front lines? Covid 19 is spreading around the hospital my sister works at. It's not so easy to contain the virus even with masks, etc.... Maybe they should see who has had the virus and is unlikely to get/spread it again and put them on the front lines. With modern technology they could also be hands/ears/eyes of the higher risk caregivers/workers via cameras, etc.... People can still do basic functions even if they aren't qualified for them like butt wiping. Just keep it simple. One person was already inquiring about firetablets as a cheap way to do stuff.

Lots of famous people have gotten the virus so I am guessing it's quite well spread already. They aren't even offering tests any more to a lot of people. There's several factors which seem to be skewing the stats which are open to interpretation.

If they are running low/conserving tests I wonder if collecting samples from a group and testing it as one and using statistics would help. Like during the World Wars when they were running out of tests.

[felter]

Was just reading about the USS Theodore Roosevelt and it sound's like the US Navy are as clueless as their Commander in Chief. They are saying all ships personnel will be tested, all 5000 plus of them, even though they currently only have 800 test kits. They then went on to say, once tested the ship will go back to sea and act normally, currently it's at anchor in Vietnam.

Here's the thing, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the crew are infected but not just that, the ship itself will pretty much be infected. Even if it's not you still cannot take the chance of stuffing it full of another 5000 sailors and aircrew and sending it back out to sea, as all that will happen is the crew will get infected again. That entire ship from top to bottom will have to be cleaned immaculately and properly, which takes time, doing a single restaurant can take several days, how long do you think it will take to do a ship the size of a small town. About the only thing they are doing right is that all ship leave is cancelled.

[pjknibbs]

That entire ship from top to bottom will have to be cleaned immaculately and properly, which takes time, doing a single restaurant can take several days, how long do you think it will take to do a ship the size of a small town. About the only thing they are doing right is that all ship leave is cancelled.

Covid-19 only survives for a few hours at most outside a human host, as far as I know, so doing a cleaning job that would take days or weeks isn't necessary.

[Vertigo 7]

Was just reading about the USS Theodore Roosevelt and it sound's like the US Navy are as clueless as their Commander in Chief. They are saying all ships personnel will be tested, all 5000 plus of them, even though they currently only have 800 test kits. They then went on to say, once tested the ship will go back to sea and act normally, currently it's at anchor in Vietnam.

Here's the thing, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the crew are infected but not just that, the ship itself will pretty much be infected. Even if it's not you still cannot take the chance of stuffing it full of another 5000 sailors and aircrew and sending it back out to sea, as all that will happen is the crew will get infected again. That entire ship from top to bottom will have to be cleaned immaculately and properly, which takes time, doing a single restaurant can take several days, how long do you think it will take to do a ship the size of a small town. About the only thing they are doing right is that all ship leave is cancelled.

speaking as a former squid, the ship is full of the worlds most over worked, over trained, under paid, deadliest janitors. so... not long.

[felter]

That entire ship from top to bottom will have to be cleaned immaculately and properly, which takes time, doing a single restaurant can take several days, how long do you think it will take to do a ship the size of a small town. About the only thing they are doing right is that all ship leave is cancelled.

Covid-19 only survives for a few hours at most outside a human host, as far as I know, so doing a cleaning job that would take days or weeks isn't necessary.

Here's a question, if it only lasts for a few hours, why would they spend the weekend deep cleaning area's that they know have had been infected. I've been looking but I can't find it, a study by one of the UK universities who found the virus could, depending on the surface live for something like up to 9 days. I think it can only survive for a few hours airborne though, but don't quote me on that.

[Vertigo 7]

ships are full of porous surfaces. Sides, when they deep clean, they deep clean. Top to bottom, dust, sweep, wipe down, swab, and do it a couple more times for good measure.

[felter]

I know ships are clean but we are talking about a deep clean that's when you are having to clean more than just cleaning away more than just dirt and grime it's a lengthy time consuming and expensive thing to do.

Onto another matter, America again, Donald J Trump has ordered General Motors to make ventilators, which leads to two questions. One someone on here already said that the US motor industry was already making ventilators, was that a lie by them or the American motor industry or if they are already making them, then why is he telling them to make them. Two, why is he doing it now, shouldn't he as the president of the United States of America made that demand several weeks ago, especially seeing as it has been known for weeks that there was a massive shortage of ventilators, isn't he a little bit late out of the starting blocks, if he had done it sooner wouldn't that have helped save numerous lives.

[Vertigo 7]

I know ships are clean but we are talking about a deep clean that's when you are having to clean more than just cleaning away more than just dirt and grime it's a lengthy time consuming and expensive thing to do.

Not really. I mean, ya it's time consuming... but when you have a crew of 5000, that's 5000 people that can pick up a broom or a mop or a fox tail, etc. But expensive? no. They'll scrub with disinfectants and all that fun stuff. Doesn't cost any more per square foot to clean a ship than you would spend to clean your house, only I can pretty well guarantee you the ship will be cleaner when it's done =p Even on the small boys, it doesn't take long to deep clean. My last command had a crew of 150. When we would periodically deep clean, it would take us the day, but we would be done in a day. That was just considered routine maintenance.

Onto another matter, America again, Donald J Trump has ordered General Motors to make ventilators, which leads to two questions. One someone on here already said that the US motor industry was already making ventilators, was that a lie by them or the American motor industry or if they are already making them, then why is he telling them to make them. Two, why is he doing it now, shouldn't he as the president of the United States of America made that demand several weeks ago, especially seeing as it has been known for weeks that there was a massive shortage of ventilators, isn't he a little bit late out of the starting blocks, if he had done it sooner wouldn't that have helped save numerous lives.

There were a lot of companies that stepped up to produce masks and ventilators well before Trump was even taking this virus seriously. It's nothing more than a PR stunt. If the fed hadn't bailed out GM, he wouldn't be able to order them to do squat anyway.

[Chips]

There are also numerous reports of coronavirus crimes from people in America stealing the hand sanitizer from hospitals, to people faking doctors lines to say they have the virus to get out of work or even one person getting caught smuggling fake test kits from Canada to America. One thing I have noticed in the crime department, is I'm no longer getting any scam calls from India, suppose that's good news.

That's nothing - there have been several muggings of NHS staff in the UK to steal their lanyards. The thieves want to get priority service, free food/drink (e.g. several outlets though whether still open is another matter), or first in/out bagsies at the supermarket.

[Vertigo 7]

Maybe Trump will order the Roosevelt to remain at sea so the number of cases in the US doesn't go up.

[RegisterMe]

Yeah great videos, but all of those people they are moaning about, what is the reasoning they are giving that it's okay for them to be out and about, it's because they say I'm not old and or I don't have an underlying health condition so I'll be okay. Just where do you think they got that idea from, where do you think the idea that you will be okay if you're not old and have health issues, it's because the press keeps on mentioning it every damn time they mention a new death, they always have underlying health issues and they always mention it.

Actually, the most recent news I saw said that a 21-year-old with *no* underlying health condition died of the virus a couple of days ago...

iirc the report I saw said that her aunt said that she had no underlying health issues. I doubt they've had time to do an autopsy yet (and they will, given her age). So whilst we obviously can't rule out COVID-19 being the sole cause of her death, I suspect that at the moment we can't say categorically that it was.


EDIT: Actually I think it was her mum that said she had no underlying health issues. Still.....

@pkjnibbs - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 19-related

She had a heart attack.

[felter]

So Trump has been talking about Quarantining New York and possibly other states, could be a good idea if it had been done several weeks ago, now it is just a waste of time. Why do I say that, well check out the map below:



That is the current state of confirmed infections in America. Hands up if anyone thinks that quarantining a state now will help either slow down or stop the spread of the virus to the rest of America. personally I think it is too little too late. It's like everything Trump does, it seems to be at least two weeks after when it should have been done. Looking at the map it would probably be a better idea to quarantine the less infected states to keep the infected out, saying there are only a couple of states left that have only a small amount of infected Montana seems to be about the only one.

[Vertigo 7]

If the map is any indication, Mexico should do their damndest to keep Americans out of their country.

[felter]

There was something the other day there about Mexico not wanting Americans to visit Mexico due to the virus.

I've been trying to think on what America can do now to try and stop the spread of the virus and to be honest, I can't think on anything that would work. It is so far gone and widespread that even locking down the whole country wouldn't work any more. It looks like the amount of deaths doubles every 2 to 3 days and that's for countries that are in lockdown, going by that and the way things are looking for the US, they could possibly have a higher rate. I would speculate that by this time next week the dead count for America is going to be around 15 thousand. By a week on Monday or Tuesday at the latest it will be around the 30 thousand mark. Two weeks from today you are looking at over 100,000 dead in America alone. When you put that into perspective, the current total deaths for the whole world is currently sitting at just under 31K, I'm saying America will potentially have that count in a little over a week.

Right now though I think India is probably going to get it even worse. They don't have the money or resources to fight it, along with the part there are 1.3 billion Indians all crammed into a relatively small space, while their Government doesn't know what to do or even how to do it and a population that can't do what they are being told to do. It all makes for a mix of a spectacular catastrophe on a grand scale.