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[Ketraar]

Even if it never happened you'd be voting Trump because you support those policies. You want that wall, you want that discrimination.

it's absolutely fine for you to support those, that's what politics is all about.

Well its actually not fine at all. Discrimination is not something one happens to agree, it goes against basic human rights.

MFG

Ketraar

[Masterbagger]

So at worst she is guilty of saying the attack at an Embassy was the result of protests against a video rather than a terrorist attack.

Is that a minor thing in your opinion?

When you compare it to building a 35 foot high wall for 1000 miles at the (reported) cost of $8,000,000,000 dollars... then yes.

When you compare it to banning (discriminating) against billions of people based on their faith rather than any other reason, so you can work out "what the hell is going on..." without defining what exactly that means... then yes.

People died due to a terrorist action, or a protest action. The outcome is exactly the same, regardless. The outcome doesn't change based on what is said post event.

Voting for Trump - you are empowering religious discrimination and literally building barriers to your neighbours.

Is a lie so bad that it justifies a 1000 mile wall and banning a religious denomination?

If your answer is yes, then I'd say yet again... the Benghazi episode is actually irrelevant. Even if it never happened you'd be voting Trump because you support those policies. You want that wall, you want that discrimination.

No need to hide behind "but but but Benghazi...". It's a non starter.
BTW as I said - it's absolutely fine for you to support those, that's what politics is all about. Identifying who is closest to what you want to have happen, not who is the "nicest". If you're voting based on personality then you can guess what I'd call that sort of person

I'm not voting for Trump solely because of the Benghazi lie. All of those posts happened because it was a lie and it needed to be confronted instead of dismissed. I don't have a problem with securing the border and not accepting refugees from countries with terrorist problems until they can face more scrutiny. We're at war. We have every indication from watching the behavior of the refugees in Europe that we should be cautious about who we accept. I don't have an issue with muslim immigrants, only the ones who will not assimilate to our values. We will not give up the freedom of our women to wear fashionably skimpy clothing in public.

[Timsup2nothin]

All of those posts happened because it was a lie and it needed to be confronted instead of dismissed.

...

We're at war.

Speaking of lies.

[Ketraar]

only the ones who will not assimilate to our values.

You sound a awfully lot like a Borg. Do you even read what you write? Who's values are you referring to? I presume you mean the Apache values, or Iroquois. Maybe you are referring to your own ancestral culture that overshadowed the existing one. Now even if the US would integrate ALL of the Syrian refugees it would have 0.3% impact on "your" culture and dissipate over time.

One thing the USA has going for it is the ability to influence cultures and its not restricted to its own borders.

MFG

Ketraar

[RegisterMe]

An aside, but one of the US diplomats killed in Benghazi was Vile Rat, a Goon diplomat in Eve. I think I shot at him once (can't remember if I blew him up or not).

[Rnett]

All the news coverage makes it sound like the latter but surely not, It can't be, if the that were the case it would be absolutely terrifying . . . . whoever is president, orange bewigged lunatic or otherwise.

It's another strawman argument by the press to scare the public. [ external image ]

[felter]

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/maybe_d ... _not_well/

That was pretty interesting, especially reading about the doctors note he supplied.
The doctors note.

Reading it doesn't seem to be that bad, but analyse it and there are more than a few things wrong with it.

These guys did.

The bit about the bone spurs is interesting, as there is no mention of them in the note, but yet they were so bad he used them to avoid doing his part in Vietnam. This means if they are no longer a problem, they have had to have been removed, but yet the note says he has not had any surgery and bone spurs don't just go away.

The other thing I like is that it does not sound like it was written by a doctor, as is being pointed out, it does sound like something Trump would say or how he would say it. It wouldn't be the first time that he has represented himself in a way he shouldn't, as he has been caught it doing that before.

[brucewarren]

Not buying the health scare thing for two reasons

This is American politics which has an international reputation for just how far candidates will go when it comes to making stuff up about the other side. So when stories like this appear a large salt mine is in order.

My other reason for scepticism is that if Mr Trump were to prove seriously unwell running for office would be an incredibly stupid thing for him to do. We all know the man is pretty stupid, but stupid enough to put himself into an early grave? I don't think so.

Edit: I shortened the post. I did have a list of absurd claims they might come up with but while it's fun to do I don't really want to give them ideas.

[Timsup2nothin]

Major newspaper calling for you to drop out Donny. Can't say I blame them. You REALLY put your foot in it this time. "Nothing anyone can do, except maybe the second amendment people." Then you try this crock spin that you meant "they can vote." If you were talking about VOTING what did you mean by "nothing anyone else can do"? Only second amendment people can VOTE? Your shills look ridiculous trying to defend you, and no dog is going to let this bone go because it was just too much. Calling for political violence is NOT acceptable from a presidential candidate, period. It's over Donny, and you ended it.

[felter]

The thing is, he has been saying and doing the stupidest of things right from the very start, and even if he was to get voted in as president do you think he would suddenly stop nope, I don't think so. He would carry on and he would end up insulting some pretty major people, and other countries around the world. The guy just isn't presidential material, he will just make a mess of it and that can only hurt America.

[Len5]

Three new candidates have entered. Although I don't know them yet, they can't be worse than Trump and Clit'n (as the Obama's call her).

[brucewarren]

Just when you think life can't possibly get any worse, it suddenly does

No matter how bad things are it's always possible to be worse. I grant you that being worse than those two would be difficult, but this is the Land of Opportunity where nothing is impossible.

[fiksal]

Three new candidates have entered. Although I don't know them yet, they can't be worse than Trump and Clit'n (as the Obama's call her).

It is also doesnt really matter who they are.

[Antilogic]

http://varianceexplained.org/r/trump-tweets/

Rather interesting.

[Timsup2nothin]

The thing is, he has been saying and doing the stupidest of things right from the very start, and even if he was to get voted in as president do you think he would suddenly stop nope, I don't think so. He would carry on and he would end up insulting some pretty major people, and other countries around the world. The guy just isn't presidential material, he will just make a mess of it and that can only hurt America.

Thing is he hasn't just been doing the same thing all along. He continuously escalates. He's like a rebellious child testing for limits.

"I will say things that aren't politically correct." No limit.

"Okay, I will go beyond basic human decency." No limit.

I sent this to my congressman:

There are things you don't say because of political correctness.

There are things you don't say because of basic human decency.

Trump said "There is nothing FOLKS could do, but there is something 2nd amendment people can do." He is lying now, claiming he meant VOTE. Hot tip, FOLKS can vote. It isn't voting that ONLY 2nd amendment people can do.

What do second amendment people have that folks don't have? What can second amendment people do that folks can't do? They have guns, and they can shoot people.

Trump openly called for politically motivated gun violence.

The reason you don't call for politically motivated gun violence is not political correctness, and it isn't even basic human decency. The reason you don't call for politically motivated violence is because politically motivated violence is TERRORISM.

If you don't denounce him now you are as guilty as he is.

[Len5]

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is... I don't know."

This is what he literally said.

[Timsup2nothin]

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is... I don't know."

This is what he literally said.

Yep. That is. He says he was talking about voting. So he was trying to say "folks" can't vote, but second amendment people can? How's that work?

It doesn't.

If you watch the clip there is no doubt what he meant. You can see the reaction in the arena and that they knew exactly what he meant. And you can see him react to the crowd and know that he could see exactly how it landed...and make no effort to correct it.

[Masterbagger]

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is... I don't know."

This is what he literally said.

Some serious grasping of straws going on here.

[Timsup2nothin]

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is... I don't know."

This is what he literally said.

Some serious grasping of straws going on here.

You think there's serious grasping of straws here, you should see Trump's Facebook page. They are all working with a transcript that puts a huge space between "nothing you can do folks."




"But the second amendment people, maybe there is."

This is all to torture the English so that the IF only refers to the "folks" and somehow expires before the rest of the sentence. As if people can't watch the clip for themselves. Hilarious...except for the presidential candidate calling for politically motivated violence part, of course. That isn't funny. Not in the least.

[Rnett]

Some serious grasping of straws going on here.

The phony outrage is fun to watch sometimes.