Trump

felter · Post by **felter** » Mon, 1. Aug 16, 22:22

This could just be Trumps downfall, he has been told to drop it from both his advisor's and party, that he can't win this argument and shouldn't even try to, but he just ignores them all and keeps on attacking the Khan family. The press are enjoying it,, as he doesn't have too many friends amongst them and he just keeps on digging the hole he has got into, deeper and deeper it goes. The Democrats should have waited till closer to the election, but now they are probably putting some form of strategy together to do something like it then.

Morkonan · Post by **Morkonan** » Mon, 1. Aug 16, 23:43

Len5 wrote:People that hate Trump fear that he, if elected, will be the worst president ever, but I think they're more afraid he will do a great job.

There are things that I fear...

Sharks are one. I'm not phobic, but I dislike the idea of being eaten. I also get skittish around brown/grizzly/polar bears. Black bears are fine, though, for the most part. (I would definitely not like being near a mother and her cubs, though!)

Alien invasion, a mass-extinction-event meteor(ite), ebola, very large people with weapons seeking to do harm to my person, stubbing my toe, all of these are things that one could be said to "fear."

But, Trump getting elected President and then somehow doing a "great job" is not something that I fear. I feel that it is a bit less in likelihood than an ancient alien civilization of giant, plague-infested, bear creatures with gaping maws of pointy, serrated, teeth, riding down to the surface of the Earth on a giant meteor for the express purpose of ripping off my own foot and raping me with it...

Masterbagger · Post by **Masterbagger** » Mon, 1. Aug 16, 23:58

Timsup2nothin wrote:
I surrender. It HAS to be just trolling. You can't be for real. Even in Texas you couldn't survive. Make up stuff freely, I won't bother to contradict you any more.

Charles Woods:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10 ... tcmp=hpbt1

"I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the film maker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son," the entry says.

Patricia Smith:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... llary.html

“I am not a liar! I know what Hillary told me! In fact… I’ve spoken to quite a few different people – Hillary and Obama, Panetta, Susan Rice, and several others… every one of them told me it was the fault of the video, including Obama – and he denies it!

Kate Quigley:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobr ... k-n2070263

"When I think back now to that day and what she knew, you know, it shows me a lot about her character that she would choose, in that moment, to basically perpetuate what she knew was untrue."

Susan Rice lied. Jay Carney lied. Obama lied. Hillary lied. Every one of them said things that are utterly contradicted by the documents that had to be pried out of the obama administration with FOIA lawsuits. All you can say about this is that it was made up?

Hillary lied about Benghazi. Hillary votes for going to war or bombing other countries every time. Hillary is swimming in money received from foreign entities in exchange for favors from her office. Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. Hillary concealed federal records on her email server. What could anyone possibly dig up on Trump that could rival that?

Post by **Ketraar** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 00:45

Masterbagger wrote:What could anyone possibly dig up on Trump that could rival that?

Him being an idiot should suffice, but there is more, like him not giving a damn about anyone but himself. And anyone thinking for just one second that he is able to elaborate on ANY subject with the slightest substance, is clearly delusional and in need of medical care.

Its the most ludicrous parade I ever seen, it would be hilarious if the consequences would not be as serious.

MFG

Ketraar

Chips · Post by **Chips** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 01:49

Masterbagger - has Trump not lied at all then?

Let me rephrase...

Do you believe Trump doesn't tell lies?

Seems to be a lot of focus upon 4 names you pulled up. Why is this such a huge issue when compared to the catalog of problems.

Masterbagger · Post by **Masterbagger** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 03:29

Chips wrote:Masterbagger - has Trump not lied at all then?

Let me rephrase...

Do you believe Trump doesn't tell lies?

Seems to be a lot of focus upon 4 names you pulled up. Why is this such a huge issue when compared to the catalog of problems.

They all lie. You can only judge them by the scale and frequency of the lies. Nothng Trump has done comes close to Benghazi. I won't pretend Trump is sunshine and rainbows and reject anything that shows he isn't. It's that kind of monumental cognitive dissonance among the left when it comes to hillary that I can't stand. Their candidate was caught in a lie and a coverup and they can't face it. They pretend it didn't happen or it was some vast right wing plot.

Here is Trumps platform. Have you looked at it?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

I love Trump for being the the slayer of political correctness but this is isn't a bad platform.

felter · Post by **felter** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 04:04

Honestly you need to take a step back and take a closer look at Trump. He is a very, very nasty person that has ruined hundred, if not thousands of lives. He has lied about everything from his ties to criminal organizations to how he has made his money, he will lie about anything, even when the evidence that he is a liar is right in front of him he will still lie about it. He is one of the most nasty, disgusting, vile, excuses for a human being that has ever lived. He has no respect for anyone, or anything apart from himself and his money.

I have tried to think on something, anything nice that could be said about the man, and I honestly cannot think on one single thing.

Paid for by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.

If it's being paid by him, why does he ask for contributions, just exactly what are those contributions paying for.

The veteran reforms are a joke, the man is currently arguing and name throwing at a couple whose son gave his life for American values that's how much he cares about the military veterans.

Health care reforms, his idea is for him to make more money from poor people who can't afford healthcare.

I don't know much about the second amendment, and I don't think he knows much more about it than what I know.

Immigration, isn't his wife a rich immigrant, I'm sure she is, the exact same as he is talking about getting rid of and stopping coming to America.

He is such a nasty hypocrite, one rule for him another for everyone else.

Timsup2nothin · Post by **Timsup2nothin** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 04:21

Masterbagger wrote:
Here is Trumps platform. Have you looked at it?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

I love Trump for being the the slayer of political correctness but this is isn't a bad platform.

I have seen that. That isn't a platform. At best it's a wish list. To be a platform it needs SPECIFICS as to how to even START trying to accomplish the things he lists there.

You talk about how "the left" refuses to acknowledge things about Clinton...and then you call THAT a platform. How about acknowledging that your candidate has given not the FIRST CLUE about what he is going to do or how he plans to do it.

That's why the GOP convention degenerated into a four day hate fest about Clinton. They had nothing else to talk about, so they rolled out the same old exaggerations and congratulated each other for believing them.

Morkonan · Post by **Morkonan** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 07:35

Masterbagger wrote:...
They all lie. You can only judge them by the scale and frequency of the lies. Nothng Trump has done comes close to Benghazi.

The "Benghazi" flap is a stalking horse, simply there to provide for "righteous outrage" and some "moral wrong." The truth is that, yes, the incident was deplorable and it's obvious that some Americans would have liked to have seen a more immediate, and violent, response.

However, on the side of information exchange and the public, Federal employees at the levels being discussed are given talking points and intel at a sometimes rapid pace. For instance, you don't think anyone at the State Department actually knew what happened as soon as they were asked by reporters, do you? You think any of these people had crystal balls tuned in on Benghazi, just waiting for something to happen so they could explain it to the public? No. They get their fax, read the "facts" as they are known at the time and then use that information to formulate a response. What is declared as a possibility or even a fact may change several times over the course of a day. And, at certain levels, they are given information that is secret, that is supposition, that may even not be able to be discussed openly. AND, further, because the President is in charge of all Federal Employees, much of what these sorts of people can say is dictated directly by the White House.

But, the public doesn't know any of that. So, when the public demands an explanation and further information and these people have to rattle off "maybesos", it's bad for everyone. Except, of course, for the media, who can fit it neatly into a days-friggin-long "News Event Condition Red Alert Status Friggin Smokin' Hot" session of continuing coverage...

Hell, the Eve Online community knew more about Benghazi, as it was happening, than the American public at large and, perhaps, even more than the State Department... (One of those killed was a notable Eve Online player, communicating events as they occurred to some of his friends.)

I won't pretend Trump is sunshine and rainbows and reject anything that shows he isn't. It's that kind of monumental cognitive dissonance among the left when it comes to hillary that I can't stand. Their candidate was caught in a lie and a coverup and they can't face it. They pretend it didn't happen or it was some vast right wing plot.

Coverup? Maybe the gaffs caused by piss-poor handling of the situation, sure. But, there was no "coverup" of the incident, only a bunch of dumb moves by people trying desperately to satisfy the public in what was rapidly turning out to be a PR fiasco of ignorant statements. And, speaking of ignorant statements, Trump would have probably done the same thing, or worse, and then demanded that everyone "admit" he was right, after he successfully duped some people over to accepting his own skewed world-view.

Here is Trumps platform. Have you looked at it?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

I love Trump for being the the slayer of political correctness but this is isn't a bad platform.

Thanks for that. I would have never looked it up on my own.

It's a stupid platform and it says nothing. ALL it does is attempt to pluck certain chords with a sector of the American public. That's it. In fact, that's all that most such "platforms" do. In reality, as we all should know, those platforms are made to get a candidate elected, not made to actually serve as a realistic series of goals for the political office in question.

1) The Wall - Stupid. Ridiculous. r*******. There is not enough concrete production in the US to build the sort of wall he wants without crippling construction. There's not enough fences. There's not enough people or technology to man it or at least observe it all. There's not enough buses to transport illegals anywhere, much less south of the border. And, there is no friggin' way Mexico is going to pay for a darn thing. None. Zero. And, these other "methods" are farcical. They are put in that list of solutions so that people who are uninitiated in the way of "monies" think that they are sound judgement calls.

2) Health Care Reform - Stupid. The only interesting and possibly positive proposal is one that has been chewed over many times - Allow the sale of Insurance across State lines. HOWEVER, States have their own internal regulatory agencies, so who's going to regulate it, oversee it, protect consumers? Also, costs vary. Some citizens actually save money because they don't have to pay higher premiums due to the population habits/preventative care/etc in other States. It's a complex issue. The rest of his proposals are bunk. I won't go into details, but the assumption that is being made in his "plan" is that everyone can already afford healthcare, anyway. Don't see that? Read over it, now, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The fact is that Medicare/Medicaid is rapidly becoming an overwhelming expense burden. Whatever "solution" is proposed by anyone running for office MUST absolutely, directly, address this budgetary issue. Obamacare may not be the full answer. It's likely it will not remain in its current form, but some form of it with competitive coverage will have to exist and, due to our extensive private healthcare networks, they will have to be brought on-board, fully, with whatever is finally decided. That means... politics.

3) China - Stupid. Notice that his "solution" as "President of the United States" relies mostly on achieving things that the Preside of the United States has no power over... "Make China." Make? Force China to do what? Lol... Declare them a "bad boy?" Yeah, I'm sure that will break their hearts. Hey, lowering corporate taxes would be great, but it does @$^-all for establishing manufacturing businesses in the United States. Nothing. Nothing at all. That's because it's cheaper to get manual labor elsewhere. Besides, with our technological capabilities, we should be focusing on tech-sector jobs, skilled tech labor, EDUCATION and increasing our own labor capital rather than trying to "make" some other sovereign country give us monies... I'm sorry for our segment of population that is used to assembly-line jobs and have no other prospects because they put their faith in labor unions rather than in personal education, but them's the breaks. But, it sounds good to Trump supporters, so he'll say whatever gets them riled up, even though it's friggin' stupid.

4) VA Reform - Sounds great, but it's stupid. Where are all these Vets going to get the treatment they need when the VA isn't getting the money it needs to hire quality people to treat the Vets in the first place? How are Vets going to get care when their catchment center is a three-hour drive away or the facilities they have access to already can't accommodate the demand? Build new hospitals? Great, who's payin'? "Fire" people? Friggin' great, he wants to fire the only people who actually know wtf is going on. OK, fine, so what about hiring quality people by offering them good salaries? Who's going to pay for that? His proposals are empty - There's no clear understanding, here that the problem doesn't lie in corruption, but in a lack of the funds necessary to provide the level of care that the public wants their Vets to have.

5) Tax Reform - ?? Everyone talks about "Tax Reform" but it's so convoluted that everyone's plan sounds like it's a gift from heaven. I'll just say this - The problem isn't within the exclusive domain of "Taxes." Unusually absent in his "plan" is any reduction in the amount of government spending. Hey, free monies for everyone! Sounds great! But... no mention of government spending problems, huh? Corruption, gerrymandering, military waste, a crappy public education system? Very unusually absent for a "conservative" candidate. (I'm a fiscal-conservative, btw.) That makes me very skeptical that anything at all was well thought out in this particular proposal.

6) Second Amendment - Stoopid, say's nothing, ignores reality. A driver's license is a State Issued document. It is honored in other State's, but only under certain conditions. It's part of interstate trade and other necessary agreements that facilitate cross-state economies. "Guns" aren't part of any of that and there is no enforcement of rights granted to a State's citizen in any other State. It may be legal for me to do one thing in my State, but it's not necessarily legal for me to do that in another State. Most of the other proposals either state the obvious or demonstrate ignorance, pick one.

7) Immigration Reform - Stupid. Most of his policies rely on spending more money, forcing companies/others to do things, and, in general, just being a douchebag. So, no more catch-and-release? Fine, build more prisons! That's just great, more money spent uselessly imprisoning not-citzens so they can do.. what with them? And the jobs component? Illegal immigrants work labor jobs that American Citizens DO NOT WANT. It's that darn simple and Trump knows it, but he's betting that other people are either ignorant or simply don't want to admit it. /sigh... etc,etc

I didn't originally want to comment on this "plan." But, after reading it, I just couldn't help myself. (I'm a blowhard and could have bloviated on a heck of a lot more than I did.

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Look - I applaud and support your ability to promote or defend the candidate of your choice. That's cool and I'm fine with that. But, there are things worthy of promoting and defending and very few of them happen to be within Trump's ideas for the future of this country. I am not a Hillary supporter, either, nor a Sanders supporter nor a supporter of any current main-stream past-candidate. In fact, I honestly don't know who's worthy of my support for this election cycle.

But, I do know that it's not Trump and it will never, ever, be anyone that demonstrates the qualities that Trump is so determined to demonstrate to the American people.

Memnoch · Post by **Memnoch** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 13:47

I read in the news today he is already laying the groundwork for claims of possible election fraud. Reading between the lines he appears to be saying that if the Republican Party lose the election then they were cheated out of it. Of course he hasn't gone into any details of these claims.

Post by **Ketraar** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 14:42

Memnoch wrote:I read in the news today he is already laying the groundwork for claims of possible election fraud. Reading between the lines he appears to be saying that if the Republican Party lose the election then they were cheated out of it. Of course he hasn't gone into any details of these claims.

Like he has ever gone into details of anything.

MFG

Ketraar

Graaf · Post by **Graaf** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 15:56

felter wrote:Immigration, isn't his wife a rich immigrant.

Not exactly, she is a foreign nude model, that married a ... rich blonde grandson from German immigrants.

Masterbagger · Post by **Masterbagger** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 16:58

Morkonan wrote:
Look - I applaud and support your ability to promote or defend the candidate of your choice. That's cool and I'm fine with that. But, there are things worthy of promoting and defending and very few of them happen to be within Trump's ideas for the future of this country. I am not a Hillary supporter, either, nor a Sanders supporter nor a supporter of any current main-stream past-candidate. In fact, I honestly don't know who's worthy of my support for this election cycle.

But, I do know that it's not Trump and it will never, ever, be anyone that demonstrates the qualities that Trump is so determined to demonstrate to the American people.

Trump wasn't my pick in the primary but he's all that stands a chance of stopping the greater of two evils. Wanting to repeal obamacare, not passing any more stupid gun laws, and trying to get the illegal aliens under control is enough that I don't feel as dirty as I did voting for Romney or Mcstain. Letting the supreme court get packed with partisan judges to make laws from the bench is too real of a possibility to not throw in with Trump.

Chips · Post by **Chips** » Tue, 2. Aug 16, 19:48

Masterbagger wrote: They all lie. You can only judge them by the scale and frequency of the lies. Nothng Trump has done comes close to Benghazi.

So at worst she is guilty of saying the attack at an Embassy was the result of protests against a video rather than a terrorist attack.

That's fine - it's what politics is all about. You agree with Trump over immigration, healthcare and other aspects. Therefore, Hillary is so much worse and Benghazi is a wonderful deflection to use for that.

If Benghazi had never happened, would you vote Trump? Of course you would. You like what he says and agree with it; that's your choice.

Throwing Benghazi around enables people to avoid discussing the real talking points - what those candidates would do in office and how they'd go about achieving it.

Morkonan · Post by **Morkonan** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 00:24

Masterbagger wrote:
Morkonan wrote:
Look - I applaud and support your ability to promote or defend the candidate of your choice. That's cool and I'm fine with that. But, there are things worthy of promoting and defending and very few of them happen to be within Trump's ideas for the future of this country. I am not a Hillary supporter, either, nor a Sanders supporter nor a supporter of any current main-stream past-candidate. In fact, I honestly don't know who's worthy of my support for this election cycle.

But, I do know that it's not Trump and it will never, ever, be anyone that demonstrates the qualities that Trump is so determined to demonstrate to the American people.
Trump wasn't my pick in the primary but he's all that stands a chance of stopping the greater of two evils. Wanting to repeal obamacare, not passing any more stupid gun laws, and trying to get the illegal aliens under control is enough that I don't feel as dirty as I did voting for Romney or Mcstain. Letting the supreme court get packed with partisan judges to make laws from the bench is too real of a possibility to not throw in with Trump.

"Gain the whole world, lose your own soul... " etc.

Obamacare will not be repealed. It's done. The odds of it actually being repealed are less than a sharknado engulfing North Dakota. The only thing possible for the President to do is to write an Executive Order that freezes Federal employees from working with it. The result of that would be disastrous and we'd soon be seeing a direct conflict between three branches of government. Obamacare can not be stopped without action from Congress, no matter what Trump says. And, nobody in Congress owes him any favors, certainly not enough to risk their own necks in helping him achieve that goal. Besides - What other program do we have that even attempts to balance healthcare entitlement spending, which is a huge portion of our growing budgetary problem?

I don't care of Obamacare is repealed. What I care about is the financial problems that are being caused by Medicaid/Medicare with no other instrument in sight to fix them. I do care, though, about the most powerful country in the world having people die in the streets because they can't afford healthcare, no matter what plans we have in place. I think that anyone interested in "Obamacare" either for or against it must confront these issues in whatever changes or solutions they propose.

The Second Amendment is safe. It's not going anywhere. What will likely happen, at the most extreme, is an attempt to legislate the meaning of "assault weapon." That will not be because of any practical, workable, solution to a gun-violence issue. It'll be political pandering, just like it was when the assault-weapon ban went into place and had zero effect on gun-violence.. Whatever makes it out of the legislative process and up for a vote will likely be an unworkable solution, built purely to satisfy political interests, just so it can make politicians who court those interests look like they tried to do something. (Note: There may be something done about gun-show sales and background checks, though. That's a workable issue.)

Illegal aliens are illegal. The issue can not be solved by ordering that all cars are built with seatbelts OR by demanding that a wall be built and imprisoning offenders. We need to increase border patrol agents, which is a sound suggestion. But, we also have to deal with the larger issue of what causes this particular problem. To sum: Some people want to come here because they want to be free and they want to build a meaningful life. OK, that's fine. Some come here because they're fleeing worse situations in their home countries. That's OK, but those are "refugees" and not "immigrants." If we want to stop the flow of refugees, either those fleeing hostile environments or economic instability, we have to work at the source to mitigate the problem. (ie: We have to help Mexico to straighten up their @$^!...) NAFTA was, believe it or not, designed to prevent the flood of illegal immigrants/refugees that we're seeing, now. But, though it helped, it didn't work, largely due to corruption, crime, drugs, and the actual scale of the problem.

As long as we're the better place for people to live, they're going to keep coming here. Either we lower our standards so it's too dangerous for them to live here or we work to improve conditions where they are, right now, so they don't feel the need to flee their own countries in order to come here in the first place.

I'm only showing you where I stand on those issues, since they form the basis of your support for Trump. (Not that my positions have any bearing on it, but I wanted you to know where I'm coming from.)

Support Trump if you wish. But, there may be better candidates out there. I'm not a Hillary fan. Maybe I can find someone worth supporting in the Libertarian party? There's a Libertarian "Town Hall" meeting on C.N.N. coming up, soon. That may be illuminating.

Masterbagger · Post by **Masterbagger** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 01:04

Chips wrote: So at worst she is guilty of saying the attack at an Embassy was the result of protests against a video rather than a terrorist attack.

Is that a minor thing in your opinion?

Timsup2nothin · Post by **Timsup2nothin** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 01:26

Masterbagger wrote:
Chips wrote: So at worst she is guilty of saying the attack at an Embassy was the result of protests against a video rather than a terrorist attack.
Is that a minor thing in your opinion?

Well, we don't have to ask, since it is clearly the biggest deal in the world in yours.

Even though you have acknowledged that really it was both a terrorist attack and a protest against a video, or at least that the timing of the attack was intentionally coincident with the protest.

So, tell us, WHAT makes this the giant hairy monster of a deal that you think it is?

Bishop149 · Post by **Bishop149** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 18:22

Must admit haven't being following Trump that closely, firstly because he seems such an obviously comedic / satirical parody figure that its hard to believe anyone takes him at all seriously and this all isn't some kind of elaborate prank.
Secondly because most of what he says makes no sense. . . . no I don't mean political or philosophical sense . . . . I mean LITERALLY no sense, semi-random words strung together, which brings me to this:

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/maybe_d ... _not_well/

I must admit listening to a lot of the actual nonsense that he spouts he does sound an awful lot like someone with early to mid stage dementia.
Surely there must be some kind of independent health screen for those wishing to be president? I mean I know that such a thing could be perceived as a unilateral interference with a democratic process but come on, there MUST be SOME medical oversight mechanism to prevent a literal madman being elected to office?

Secondly I keep reading things about how hes very keen to use America's nuclear weapons and "doesn't see the point" in having them if they are never to be used.
Which got me asking: what exactly is the presidents authority in this area? Is there any kind of criteria that must be fore-filled before a nuclear strike can be authorized? Such as strong intelligence indicating an impending nuclear strike against the US for example? Agreement of the senior military command?
Or can a president literally just place a phone call at any time on a whim saying "Please nuke target X immediately" as an order that will be instantly be followed?
All the news coverage makes it sound like the latter but surely not, It can't be, if the that were the case it would be absolutely terrifying . . . . whoever is president, orange bewigged lunatic or otherwise.

Post by **Ketraar** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 18:42

Bishop149 wrote:I mean I know that such a thing could be perceived as a unilateral interference with a democratic process but come on, there MUST be SOME medical oversight mechanism to prevent a literal madman being elected to office?

I doubt there is and frankly I would not agree there to be one, declaring people "mad" or mentally unable to run for office would be exploited immediately and then we can go and say there should be other physical limitations, like age, mobility, etc. now that race and (eventually) gender has been removed (in the USA). The people voting have the best filter there is to avoid mentally unstable people getting elected, dont vote for them.

Or can a president literally just place a phone call at any time on a whim saying "Please nuke target X immediately" as an order that will be instantly be followed?
All the news coverage makes it sound like the latter but surely not, It can't be, if the that were the case it would be absolutely terrifying . . . . whoever is president, orange bewigged lunatic or otherwise.

I'd say its like with the UK Monarchy, does the Queen actually own all the land, yes sure, but in practice no one really believes she would act on it these days. I presume its similar with the codes.

MFG

Ketraar

Chips · Post by **Chips** » Wed, 3. Aug 16, 20:30

Masterbagger wrote:
Chips wrote: So at worst she is guilty of saying the attack at an Embassy was the result of protests against a video rather than a terrorist attack.
Is that a minor thing in your opinion?

When you compare it to building a 35 foot high wall for 1000 miles at the (reported) cost of $8,000,000,000 dollars... then yes.

When you compare it to banning (discriminating) against billions of people based on their faith rather than any other reason, so you can work out "what the hell is going on..." without defining what exactly that means... then yes.

People died due to a terrorist action, or a protest action. The outcome is exactly the same, regardless. The outcome doesn't change based on what is said post event.

Voting for Trump - you are empowering religious discrimination and literally building barriers to your neighbours.

Is a lie so bad that it justifies a 1000 mile wall and banning a religious denomination?

If your answer is yes, then I'd say yet again... the Benghazi episode is actually irrelevant. Even if it never happened you'd be voting Trump because you support those policies. You want that wall, you want that discrimination.

No need to hide behind "but but but Benghazi...". It's a non starter.
BTW as I said - it's absolutely fine for you to support those, that's what politics is all about. Identifying who is closest to what you want to have happen, not who is the "nicest". If you're voting based on personality then you can guess what I'd call that sort of person

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