About our ongoing work - Patches, Updates, Bugfixing on X Rebirth

Eagle22 · Post by **Eagle22** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 15:57

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Posted: Mon, 18. Nov 13, 11:30 Post subject:

guys, guys, guys, it could be worse, as in legend of pegasus worse. that game was broken as hell. the dev closed down without any hope of the game ever being fixed and no refunds were given by Kalypso(as far as I know).

then we have BF4. broken on release as well, and no one batted an eye.

EGOSOFT can and will fix Rebirth. As far as ui goes, I have noticed that the engine is flexible enough to allow changes of this sort to happen.

And no im not an EGOSOFT fanboy, I just follow the darn company for enough time to know how things turn out. the games are fixed and there is an awful lot of new stuff to be added in the long run.

So, STOP acting like this never happened before!

Dod do you know what you're saying this is not a X game at all.
EGOSOFT can and will fix Rebirth yes of course when in 10-20 years Forget it,
If only if they had not remove the mane tings form the game (like cap flaying ships and more ships to pick what you wanna drive) i be happy to play it. but with all the bus and so one it is not worth it to play it at all.

DJC · Post by **DJC** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:04

Matchimus wrote:
I must once again state I feel we need some sort of comment regarding game design, whether you expected to alienate so many old fans, whether things will change in the future to accommodate more of the previous series style, whether this was always intended, whether it's not/was never intended, etc.

I think most of the hard core X fans need an answer to this. If this was in fact the intention, we can put the game down for good and move on. Please dont support false hope for a game that is never going to be what many of us want.

I wont have this game untill the 26th so I cant actualy speek to it but We were all informed long ago that this X game was going to be a dff. "animal" we were all told about the one ship, the new UI the new style of game play and so on I cant help but think all the complaints are just hard core X fans ( like myself, since X2 The Threat) who can not except the change that easley. I hope that is the case since I am looking forward to the new exp.
To all that are complaining look into yourselves and think do I hate this game for its changes or because the game is realy that bad. The simple fact that so many bad reports are being posted about the changes from the original X series Tells me that people are not giving the game a chance. I know I am speaking out of my ass since I do not have the game yet. But I guess I am giving the Devs a chance. I hated X2 The Threat when I first played it. could not beleive such a bad game could be made, 6 months later I was board and tried again and never stoped, still do not know why I would ever have put the game down!

nuttyprot · Post by **nuttyprot** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:05

I would love to get a refund for this pile of ****. This is not an X game and frankly no amount of patching will fix this. Sadly I bought the game from the shop and because it is shop bought cannot get a refund. I never bought of steam and because it uses steam key shop wont take it back.

SteveMill · Post by **SteveMill** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:34

DJC wrote: I wont have this game untill the 26th so I cant actualy speek to it but We were all informed long ago that this X game was going to be a dff. "animal" we were all told about the one ship, the new UI the new style of game play and so on I cant help but think all the complaints are just hard core X fans ( like myself, since X2 The Threat) who can not except the change that easley. I hope that is the case since I am looking forward to the new exp.!

Expecting change is one thing. I was fine with changes. But there are good and there are bad and there are broken changes. It's not that this is not a good X game. It is just a very bad game.

You must make your own judgement but I deeply regret buying it and if I knew what I know now I'd wait 6 months until there has been some patching and pick it up in a bargain bin because that's where it will be.

Cougar81 · Post by **Cougar81** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:37

Wow. I read the first 3 pages and I cant imagine what the next 14 were like. If you feel the need to post absolutely rude and obnoxious posts... man .. sit back and play something else for a few weeks. (that's what I did..). Seriously, there's no need for an internet BBQ at this stage.. yeah it probably should have been released as a beta so Egosoft could have gotten an idea of the fan reaction and begun adjusting things - but without an NDA no-one was getting any info.

Bernd and co. -- my personal preference for abilities is definitely to get that ship repair on the Taranis. That's the first real head shaking moment. My second would be the PMC. This is a difficult problem to explain without spoilers but go back to the post that says "PMC fighters can find you anywhere and attack you without penalty (outside of you killing them) while the player has no such luxury. I mean I've gotten really good at getting through PMC space as fast as possible but it does get wearing after a time.

I love the new direction. I dont particularly like the highways.. to me it feels like a step back - replicating modern cities in space - I felt the jumpgates were that "futuristic solution that is unimaginable in the current reality". I love the new stations. I'm actually okay with the cockpit and the "one ship fits all" gameplay. I love the drones. I'm not happy with trading but I feel like the game has gone so slowly that I havnt been able to really get to it yet. I havnt gotten my first station built yet but it will be soon.

All in all ... keep the faith ... some of us "long time X fans" are still fans.

Timesitheus · Post by **Timesitheus** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:48

nuttyprot wrote:no amount of patching will fix this.

And you know this because...? Time machine?

Seriously, I find it funny how people always expect perfect game with no bugs no problems, everything working perfectly. We all want that but that is not going to happen. Especially with game like this. It's so big, open world, you can do different things in so many different ways and exploit system and everything and it impossible to predict everything what players do. And especially with Egosoft which is as I understand is not very big company anyway? Especially when this is compltely new game with everything made from scratch. You could test this game for years and still find problems.

And wasn't previous X games same too. Like Reunion? So many bugs at release but they still supported and released patches and eventually fixed it?. It's completely normal to have rough releases but the question is how the developers are going to respond. Are they going to acknowledge the problem and continously support the game releasing patches and everything? I'm sure Egosoft is doing everything they can to fix the problems.

Seriously it was just released! Give it a chance. Sheesh...

Deleted User · Post by **Deleted User** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:56

Timesitheus wrote:
nuttyprot wrote:no amount of patching will fix this.
And you know this because...? Time machine?

Seriously, I find it funny how people always expect perfect game with no bugs no problems, everything working perfectly. We all want that but that is not going to happen. Especially with game like this. It's so big, open world, you can do different things in so many different ways and exploit system and everything and it impossible to predict everything what players do. And especially with Egosoft which is as I understand is not very big company anyway? Especially when this is compltely new game with everything made from scratch. You could test this game for years and still find problems.

And wasn't previous X games same too. Like Reunion? So many bugs at release but they still supported and released patches and eventually fixed it?. It's completely normal to have rough releases but the question is how the developers are going to respond. Are they going to acknowledge the problem and continously support the game releasing patches and everything? I'm sure Egosoft is doing everything they can to fix the problems.

Seriously it was just released! Give it a chance. Sheesh...

exactly. it's not like in the recent past, on consoles, where after a game was out if you had a bug everything was lost.

Eagle22 · Post by **Eagle22** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 17:27

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Posted: Mon, 18. Nov 13, 16:48 Post subject:

nuttyprot wrote:
no amount of patching will fix this.

And you know this because...? Time machine?

Seriously, I find it funny how people always expect perfect game with no bugs no problems, everything working perfectly. We all want that but that is not going to happen. Especially with game like this. It's so big, open world, you can do different things in so many different ways and exploit system and everything and it impossible to predict everything what players do. And especially with Egosoft which is as I understand is not very big company anyway? Especially when this is compltely new game with everything made from scratch. You could test this game for years and still find problems.

And wasn't previous X games same too. Like Reunion? So many bugs at release but they still supported and released patches and eventually fixed it?. It's completely normal to have rough releases but the question is how the developers are going to respond. Are they going to acknowledge the problem and continously support the game releasing patches and everything? I'm sure Egosoft is doing everything they can to fix the problems.

Seriously it was just released! Give it a chance. Sheesh...

(It's so big, open world, you can do different things in so many different ways and exploit system and everything and it impossible to predict everything what players do)

All that is true but you are still missing a Big Picture hear you are stuck in one JUNK ships which has only couple guns and that is it
and you can not flay other ships (Cap ships ore other ships)
I bet 1000 euros that a lot off people will agree on this one.

bigboy20 · Post by **bigboy20** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 17:45

I HATE THIS AFTER I STILL CANT PLAY THE ****** GAME i pay 50 $ and se only 1 bug in the start not geting in menu try evryting i even buy a new computer windows 8 64bit new 12 gig ram evry ting se audio on dvd qualety unplug evryting i pay foor allll bugs not only 1

piep · Post by **piep** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 18:33

Timesitheus wrote:
nuttyprot wrote:no amount of patching will fix this.
And you know this because...? Time machine?

They know this because suddenly they have all software engineer and game design degrees. Don't ask me how though.

piep · Post by **piep** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 18:41

fisiu wrote:Piep,
However, I am a customer, I paid money for this product so I have all right to complain

You paid money for the wrong product (even after several warnings). And as other people already mentioned, steam is refunding your money if you didn't like it. Get your refund, take a deep breath, move along, deal with it. I wish you the best in your next game.

ps. you have the rights to complain all you want, but you are not entitled to discuss game design decisions or pretend to have an influence thereof in this thread.

Now discuss finally my points instead of taking the tangent again, Mr MD.

Manddrack · Post by **Manddrack** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 18:43

bigboy20 wrote:I HATE THIS AFTER I STILL CANT PLAY THE ****** GAME i pay 50 $ and se only 1 bug in the start not geting in menu try evryting i even buy a new computer windows 8 64bit new 12 gig ram evry ting se audio on dvd qualety unplug evryting i pay foor allll bugs not only 1

I'm sure if you would go to the technical forum and post a dxdiag you could find some help, though 12 gb on new rig is strange usually it come with number in the power of 2 like 4 or 8 or 16 ....

I can play it on vista and a c2duo cpu (low end spec) and the game is plyable... So like they say get the latest driver and try again.

@egosoft dev: courage this game got a great potential those 7 year of work can be seen and for my point i do appreciate the work you put into it, i know you will pull this ....

My point of view is yes there is things missing that were in old x and i greatly miss but they can be added back... And the spation interior is great idea and ship crew could give back the automation i like ...

Keep the work

there is also a silent community that is still behind you !!

Ebyl Vampyre · Post by **Ebyl Vampyre** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 18:56

Once again, many of us knew very well this was not going to be X4. Change can be very good and I was interested to see what Egosoft was going to do based on their previous success with space simulations. However, the normal bugs and glitches of an Egosoft release are not the problem.

This game is fundamentally bad at the design and concept level in many areas. Numerous poor decisions were made over the 7 years it took to get this product out. Those can't simply be changed with bug fixes and require fare more time, effort, and money to address. As I said before, I don't know if Egosoft has the resources to do so, as most studios decide it's a bad business decision.

And yes, we do have every right to criticize the game design choices. No moderator has come in here and told us not to. One does not need to be developing a space simulation to criticize the design of one. The poor design choices here are easy to spot a mile away, and they are what is dragging down this game.

piep · Post by **piep** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 19:14

Ebyl Vampyre wrote:And yes, we do have every right to criticize the game design choices. No moderator has come in here and told us not to. One does not need to be developing a space simulation to criticize the design of one. The poor design choices here are easy to spot a mile away, and they are what is dragging down this game.

You have the right as long as the forum owner provided it to you. I do not see a dev or mod asking their customers where are the flaws in game design, again.

Last I checked the name of this thread is "About our ongoing work - Patches, Updates, Bugfixing on X Rebirth". Please be kind and tell me where did they ask you about game design decisions.

I am not telling you shouldn't talk about it. You have already done it, many customers have already done it on these forums, and not only 1 or 2 or 10 times. But for the time being, It's getting old, disrespectful, impolite and the worst, not constructive at all.

If you want custom games, just like the good ol' car analogy, go and pay for it. This game and its design is not custom. You had no influence in which engine they would use, which tool boxs and how the library would look like. Neither you have influence in the algorithms and graphics they decided to put in. Get it? If you buy a car or whatever the product is, and you don't like it, you can go to the company and vent what you didn't like, but they ain't changing the car. They might change the design of a new car in the future, if they so please. That aside, if they want the customers to keep looking for new products, they will refund you. Once you have your money back, breath deep and go spend it somewhere else. Maybe a maserati was a bad idea for you. Try the Hummer.

Greyhawk1 · Post by **Greyhawk1** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 19:18

IMO they tried to do too much at once. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I think if they had released X4 with the same old mechanics and the revamped game engine earlier - say for £29.99 or something explaining where they were going then they could iron out the bugs with that.

When that was done, work on the first person part, release as an expansion to X4 for say £9.99 as this is really experimental and worked out the bugs in that.

Then work on the front end and new interface and release that as X4 - A New Rebirth after an extensive public beta test maybe as DLC.

Instead they tried all three at once with no public beta so this is the result. It may sink the company. I hope it doesn't but it may well do.

I've seen worse releases in the past but when your company is a one trick pony its a pretty major disaster.

I really like the space bits (the bits that work) but everything else is poor to mediocre.

They knew this would happen hence why the forums went down for the first day of release because they knew they wouldn't get anymore sales after the reviews started coming in. A shrewd but pretty obvious move.

Pitagora · Post by **Pitagora** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 20:10

Just updated to 1.13 and main storyline is gone... Every savegame I load show a empty quest log...

Anyone else with this bug? Any way to recover the story or should I start a new game for the third time?

fisiu · Post by **fisiu** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 21:05

piep wrote: not entitled to discuss game design decisions or pretend to have an influence thereof in this thread.

You are realy out for some fighting are you? None of those statements make any sense.

Am I not entitled to? What will happend to me if I do? Will I get banned from these forums or be put in jail? Can I not descuss what I think of the game and the direction the series took? Why am I not entitled to do that but you are entitled to accuse people of reading disabilities and mental disorders in this thread? Please follow your own advice Mr. thread police. Your posts are far arrogant and insulting to people, your not a moderator so "stop pretending to be one or have influence in this thread".

Pretend to have influence? Did I ever do that? Seriously.... Of course I do not have any direct influence. but only way for me or the community to do that is to give feedback on the game which might influence the developers (if they choose the be influenced and listen to their fanbase customers).

I knew what this game was before the release so I should blame myself for buying it? Yes they stated it was not going to be X4, I don't mind that they made changes, a few of them are nice innovative additions, but overall the new game is bad even if I wouldn't have X3 to compare to. With their history I was expecting a great NEW game, it was advertised as such, "BTFT" taken to a next level and an immersive experience. Keeping the complexity but making the game more user friendly? It more unmanagable then ever and it's lost its complexity. Hey if they would have said, listen guys we are redoing the game and it's gonna be bad (we have taken away all usefull commands, no radar, no weapon variability, tedious trading etc. etc.) I would never had bought it in the first place. Second of all the posts, vidoes and material available before release were scant and did not show much of the actual gameplay.

Ps. I don't even want a refund, I can pay it as a retroactive bonus for the previous titles I so much enjoyed. Let them have the moeny so that they can afford a couple of working hours more to try to improve this game. It's not about the money, compared to the ammount of time of experience the X games have given me it sure is worth it. It's about the disappointment and sadness it brings.

squicker · Post by **squicker** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 21:12

piep wrote: You have the right as long as the forum owner provided it to you. I do not see a dev or mod asking their customers where are the flaws in game design, again.

In that case, I must have missed the post from the forum owner granting you the right to use this thread to tell off other posters. Please will you link it for me?

vogelap · Post by **vogelap** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 21:36

I was quite excited about X REBIRTH. I downloaded it via Steam, installed it, and launched it.

Was able to get to the first docking station and was walking around opening crates to collect loot. Opened a crate, got stuck in the lid, and could not move. Could not jump. Could not duck. Could not walk. Could only rotate in a circle. Tried to engage other NPCs standing stupidly by, but was out of their range.

Had to CTD.

Am I going to restart? Probably, yes, but only because I bought the game and have not yet had fun equal to the value of the dollars in my pocket.

mielgato · Post by **mielgato** » Mon, 18. Nov 13, 21:48

well at least Ysha warn us when the game begin ... "Wow, this thing's a mess!"

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