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yrkoon99
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Post by yrkoon99 »

keep at it guys as i have probably mentioned in this thread i had 5 hours on record with steam for this mess of a game and i received a refund well money to my steam wallet same thing :)

took about a week and a half to get mine because their slow at responding but all together the 3rd response was the refund one eg heres a one time store gesture blah blah :)

first repsonse was no refunds....

oh my second response was basically what was your discussions with egosoft tech department etc and i will investigate this....

this was my response :

, there was no discussion, as the problems did not
amount to a simple "bug" that needed fixing on my hardware. the problem is
that the game is in a unfinished state and therefore endemic to all systems.

i have spent countless hours on the steam and egosoft forums trying wild
fixes from users and the developers and with no luck which is not surprising
giving the actual state of the game.

here is a link to a post on your own steam forums where a developer of the
game admits to show stopping problems and multiple bugs and issues with the
game and no eta for them to be fixed.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 968237307/

i singed up to play a finished product not a early access title which is
what they have gave me.

i really feel like i have been cheated by egosoft and at this stage i just
want to wash my hands from this matter, to be clear, I wish to continue to
do business with Steam and Valve.

The problems with the game are not user-specific, but are endemic and the
game is fundamentally broken. Your issue is not with me trying to scam you
out of money, your issue is with Egosoft for convincing you to advertise and
sell a product they didn't deliver. Please issue the refund to my steam
wallet.

here are reviews
http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 715079441/ of the
game and in many cases the reviews had to be aborted as the game is just so
broken.

before they responded i added this on to the ticket :

it received a 29/100 on meta critic because of how unfinished and broken the game is http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/x-rebirth

as you can see there is nothing i can possibly do to get the game to work properly as it is not a completed game and is bug riddled, and to top it all off there are lies on the store page such as :

++ Every ship you see has a task. Stop a freighter from reaching its destination and its cargo will be stopped too, causing prices to rise. ++

nope 90% of the ships are fake dummies and you can fly right through them.

BUILD! Create your own empire! From trading stations to large factories, farms to hightech military complexes, everything can belong to you. Build for trade and profit or to strengthen your military presence and dominate your enemies.

nope that is not possible with the limited commands available and the broken economy and ai.

X Rebirth features a whole new user experience - it is easier than ever to start with, and remains as deep as fans expect it.

erm just no that is a blatant lie, it is a confusing mess the map is useless, most of the depth of previous x games is missing.

please issue a refund to my steam wallet

thank you for reading

and then i got : As requested, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases.

To view your current available Steam Wallet balance:
- Log in to your Steam account.
- The current available balance will be listed in the upper right hand corner next to "[Your username]'s Account".
- In most cases, the new funds will automatically be displayed in your account.
- If this has not happened, please allow two hours for the transaction to fully complete.

Please note in the future that Steam purchases, per the Steam Subscriber Agreement, are not refundable - this store credit was issued as a one-time customer service gesture.

If you have any further questions, please let us know - we will be happy to assist you.


so win and i got that just in time for the steam sale, got about 12 games for the price of this thing :)

i just hope this helps any one thats getting frustrated, and i think the kicker was the lies on store page bit and theres more than 3 and their still broken,,,,

i had 5 hours on it,,, yet some guys had 3.9 and got refused a refund.....

eisberg i hope you get a refund you sound as ******** off as me and i read your frustration on the steam forums, try and get them on the lies on store page bit :)
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Post by Sevion »

kurush wrote:
Sevion wrote:If you bought it on Amazon, call the hotline.
So, how does this stuff work with Amazon? Is the game still DRMed by Steam? With that can Amazon reverse your purchase leaving Steam with no options but just disable that game for you?
Next time I started Steam, where the "Start"-Button of the game used to be was a "Buy"-Button, which leads to the buy-website of the game.
Amazon seems to have a deal with Deepsilver/Egosoft, which just makes Egosoft deactivate the game key. (I had to tell the hotline my game key)

No hassle, no problems, just amazon being nice.
Steams sucks though.
# "Die Firma Egosoft bedankt sich für den Erwerb dieses Produkts."
# "Produkte werden nicht gekauft."
- Wie jetzt, kein Rückgaberecht?
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Post by NebulaSniffer »

And this is exactly why I think GamersGate is 1000X better than Steam.

I don't need to run their crappy Steam client to play their game with GamersGate. There's no hidden performance issues in certain games coming from having their stupid community thing running in the background (yes I know it can be disabled).

Sometimes I accidentally buy a game from GamersGate because I didn't realize I owned it already on Steam. I ask politely *once* for that to be turned back into store credit and I have always been granted that credit. First time, every time, no questions asked.

GamersGate >> Steam.

I always check to see if a game can be purchased from GG, and only go with Steam as a last resort.
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Post by danskmacabre »

NebulaSniffer wrote: I always check to see if a game can be purchased from GG, and only go with Steam as a last resort.
Thanks for the link. I too have failed to get a refund so far from Steam.
I've been looking at Steam alternatives to buy from before using Steam as a last resort, so this will be worth a look.
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Post by jondonnis »

FINALLY

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Hello,

A staff member has replied to your question:

Hello,

As an one time exception to our policy, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases.

To view your current available Steam Wallet balance:
- Log in to your Steam account.
- The current available balance will be listed in the upper right hand corner next to "[Your username]'s Account".
- In most cases, the new funds will automatically be displayed in your account.
- If this has not happened, please allow two hours for the transaction to fully complete.

Please note in the future that Steam purchases, per the Steam Subscriber Agreement, are not refundable.

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Will now never buy from Egosoft again.
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Post by Cereal_Killa »

Finally got my refund!

I had to re-iterate my rights, my argument against the misrepresentation by Egosoft, and I added that I was going to do a chargeback if it wasn't resolved in a month from the purchase date which I believed was a fair and reasonable time for a resolution.

Cheers,
Steve

[EDIT: Just wanted to add that I had Robbie. He's tougher but not impossible]
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Post by eisberg77 »

Yeah, I got my refund as well today. After talking about how the game was in a broken unplayable state, and keep on getting denied about that, I started a new ticket about how the game was sold under false pretense/false advertising, and that ticket was merged into my original ticket that Robbie denied and closed himself, but left the new merged ticket open. Guess who just approved my refund? Yup Robbie. Could not believe it.

Now I know how Moses felt when the red sea parted =P
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Post by chikatilo »

Someone should make Robbie play XR for a day, I make my kids play it if they misbehave.
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Post by eisberg77 »

chikatilo wrote:Someone should make Robbie play XR for a day, I make my kids play it if they misbehave.
That is just cruel and unusual punishment -.-
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Post by chikatilo »

eisberg77 wrote:
chikatilo wrote:Someone should make Robbie play XR for a day, I make my kids play it if they misbehave.
That is just cruel and unusual punishment -.-
:D
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Post by RoyBaty »

chikatilo wrote:Someone should make Robbie play XR for a day, I make my kids play it if they misbehave.
Well, I guess he did because he just sent me this:
Message by Support Tech Robbie on Thu, 12th Dec 2013 2:20 pm
Hello,
As an one time exception to our policy, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases.
Wasn't too difficult to get a refund and it only required me to reply to that first copy-paste reply you get.
Sad it got to this point though, I was really looking forward to this game.

Anyway, thanks to the OP for this post, saved me 45$.
And yes, I learned my lesson - no more pre-orders, not even to titles/companies I care about.
Last edited by RoyBaty on Fri, 13. Dec 13, 00:53, edited 1 time in total.
eisberg77
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Post by eisberg77 »

RoyBaty wrote:
chikatilo wrote:Someone should make Robbie play XR for a day, I make my kids play it if they misbehave.
Well, I guess he did because he just sent me this:
"Message by Support Tech Robbie on Thu, 12th Dec 2013 2:20 pm
Hello,
As an one time exception to our policy, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases."

Wasn't too difficult to get a refund and it only required me to reply to that first copy-paste reply you get.
Sad it got to this point though, I was really looking forward to this game.

Anyway, thanks to the OP for this post, saved me 45$.
And yes, I learned my lesson - no more pre-orders, not even to titles/companies you care about.
What reasoning did you use for a refund?
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Post by eisberg77 »

Here is everything I have said, and replies from Robbie since November 23rd
X Rebirth is a game that was not ready to be released. The game is not in a playable state at all, and the Developers have even admitted that high end systems are having a problem with the game. Also there are many game breaking bugs that the developers have admitted to being in the game. I cannot play this game at all and I have been patient in letting the developers fix the game, but they have failed to do that in a timely manner. I have am having major performance issues and game breaking bugs. Steam own forums had many reports of people of these issues. Many people have received an in store credit on this game, with the understanding that this is a one time only thing. I would like to have the same courtesy extended to myself as well, please.

Added information:

I am getting ~10 FPS in the game, which makes it very unplayable.
I am getting hit with game stopping bugs that stop me from progressing in the story line.
The developers even admitted the game stopping bugs and that high end machines are having performance issues.
My system spec is way above the recommended specs.
I only have 3.9 hours in this game, and most of that was trying to get the game to work properly. I have tried all the recommendations on Egosofts tech support forums but to no avail.
I have uninstalled the game. And would like an in store credit put into my Steam wallet and the game taken off my library.

I have been a long time customer of Steam, so this would be very much appreciated.
Message by Support Tech Robbie on Tue, 26th Nov 2013 4:55 pm
Hello,

Thank you for contacting Steam Support.

Unfortunately, we cannot offer a refund for this transaction.

Please review Section 3 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?a ... _agreement

Please try the following to troubleshoot any issues.

If you are currently running Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8, please complete the instructions in the following link:

Windows 7, Windows 8, and Vista Troubleshooting
http://support.steampowered.com/kb_arti ... -IFHZ-2170


The remaining steps apply to *all* versions of Windows.

Please also verify the GCF for this game as outlined here:

Verifying Game Cache Files (GCF)
http://support.steampowered.com/kb_arti ... -QEUH-3335

Note: Files may fail to verify. This is normal and can be ignored.

Then test the issue.

If you still have difficulty, you may also need to manually run secondary installers required by this game.

Exit Steam entirely.

Browse to your X-Rebirth installation folder (Usually C:\Program files\Steam\Steamapps\common\X Rebirth\)

Run the following installers:

...X Rebirth\\_CommonRedist\DirectX\Jun2010\DXSETUP.exe
...X Rebirth\\_CommonRedist\vcredist\2010\vcredist_x86.exe
...X Rebirth\\_CommonRedist\vcredist\2010\vcredist_x64.exe

Reboot your computer and test the issue again.

If the issues persist, please complete these guides:

This game is currently unavailable
http://support.steampowered.com/kb_arti ... -WEXN-6831

Games do not run after 'Preparing to Launch'
http://support.steampowered.com/kb_arti ... -USFX-5568



**IMPORTANT**
Support for this title is handled by a third party support department - please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot this issue:

Egosoft Support
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/index_en.php


As an alternate resource, please check Steam Discussions for other users that may have resolved this issue:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/discussions
Please escalate my ticket to the next level.
Thank you for the reply.
I am not asking for a refund, rather I am asking for in store credit and the game taken off of my library.
I have bought a broken game that does not work
I have done all the troubleshooting tips as stated above prior to contacting you and many more as stated by Egosoft. But none of those will work. Egosoft themselves have stated, even in your own forums that the game is having performance issues on high end machines, and that there are in fact game stopping bugs. I cannot play this game at all because the performance issues literally makes the game unplayable, getting roughly 10 Frames per second. At this time I have paid $50 for a defective game with Egosoft saying that they have plans from now and throughout 2014 to get fixed, this is far too long to wait to play a game that I have paid for that was advertised as a finished product.

Also, as stated by many people on your forums, these people were able to get in store credit as well because of the game. I am only asking that you do the same for me since you have already done it for other players as well. Egosoft has also sent emails to some players saying that Steam will refund the game for in store credit. Also, Egosoft is giving refund to those who bought the game from the Egosoft store. Egosoft knows the game is broken, they admitted it, and I am seeing it myself as well.

The reviews for the game have been horrible from professional critics because of the bugs and the performance issues. The user reviews on your own site are also showing and stating this.

I have been a loyal customer for 9 years, and would like to continue to be a loyal customer of yours for many more.
All I am asking is extending the same courtesy to me in giving me an in store credit for the purchase price of this game, and taking the game off of my library. You guys have already done this for others, giving them an in store credit and taking the game off of their library.

I work very hard for my income, and I am the only household income earner for my household and paying $50 for a game is not where close to being trivial. I don't want to feel like I just got ripped off of my $50 by paying for a game that does not work as advertised, and even the developers admitted to this very fact on the steam forums.

Please, extend this courtesy to me as you have done for many other already.
5 Message by you on Wed, 27th Nov 2013 6:05 am
I have attached a screenshot of my email to Egosoft and the response they gave.
Egosoftresponse.jpg - View Image (File Size : 263.5 KB)
6 Message by you on Wed, 27th Nov 2013 7:35 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 968237307/

The developer from Egosoft posted this on your forums. This is where he admits the crashing, performance issues, and the game stopping bugs. Even though they have released some patches, none of them have fixed the problems I am getting that he listed. I have done the tips he mentioned at the last part of that post he made. I have quit trying to get the game to work a long while ago a, and tried to play each time they released a patch, and none of their fixes had worked for me, and for many others. Please check your forums, and the player reviews in your new review portal that you guys added to steam recently for other people's stating that the game is broken.

This is the first time I have asked for a refund in the form of an in store credit in 9 years I have been a Steam customer. I really like your service, and want to continue to use it. I just can't afford to be spending $50 on games that are broken to the point of being unplayable.

I really just want to the same courtesty and great customer service from you that you guys have already given to many others as shown in these threads: http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 715074863/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 851786024/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 746554801/

People who played anywhere from 0.6 hours to 14+ hours in this game have been given refunds as shown through out those threads. I have put in 3.9 hours, all of it trying different things to get the game to work properly. It is a broken game at this point with no way of knowing IF and when the game will ever be in a playable state.

I would rather spend the $50 on something else in your store. Please, can I have an in store credit for this broken unplayable game?
Message by Support Tech Robbie on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 10:22 am
Hello,

As with most software products, we do not offer refunds or exchanges for purchases made on our website or through the Steam Client. This includes, but is not limited to, games, Early Access Games, software, gifted or traded purchases, downloadable content, subscriptions, and in-game items/currency.

Please review Section 3 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?a ... _agreement

Additionally, you installed and played the game purchased in this transaction for over 3 hours, in effect using the product.
I did not infact play the game. All that time was spent troubleshooting the game. Additionally you guys do in fact do give Refunds as I have shown with proof in the threads I have shown. There is no reason why you cannot give me a refund, as you have already given a refund to poeple who have much higher play times.

At this time, I will be doing a charge back on my card, stating that I was given a faulty product and the seller is refusing to return the product. I will additionally be using different services to buy my games, I will never buy another game directly from Steam. Your competitors do offer refund for proven faulty software like X Rebirth. The problem is you seem to the the one that denies refunds, where as other Customer service reps will offer refunds.


So I here by request that you take the game off of my library, as I will be doing a charge back. Robbie you are a very dishonest person, as Steam has given refunds on this game to many many people for the very same reason I have given, plus many had more time then I did in the game.
9 Message by you on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 6:45 pm
I have initiated the Charge Back process. The process takes time. You still have time to give me the in store credit. There is plenty of proof that Steam has in fact given in store credit to many people for this game for the same reason I have given. There is also plenty of proof that the game was sold under false pretenses, and that the game is a non functional game. There is also proof of the developers stating they know the game has major issues. If you still refuse to give me in store credit, I here by request for the game to be taken off my library since I have initiated a charge back for the X Rebirth game. You can give me the in store credit, and be able to keep my $50 plus keep all my future buisness in buying games from steam. Do not give me an in store credit, you will lose the $50, plus all my future transaction money, and what ever fees you will get charged for the charge back.

I have been a customer for 9 years, never asked for a refund before, this is my first time asking, other than cancelling a pre-order prior to release.
10 Message by you on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 6:52 pm
Up to this point I loved Steam, would always recommend this to friends, and other people around the internet. I always felt that you guys did a really good job with Steam. I just do not understand why I cannot get a refund, while many others with more game time than me were able to get a refund. Please explain to me why those people with more game time, even ones in the US, can get a refund I cannot get one? These other peoples were having the same problems I am having, there is no reason why some people can get it and other cannot. Obviously gametime is not the deciding factor.

So please explain to me why I can't but they can.

Like I said, you still have time to give me the store credit. Give me the store credit and I will stop the charge back dispute.
11 Message by you on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 7:18 pm
If you cannot help me, I am done dealing with you, and I want to deal with your supervisor. Please have your supervisor contact me.
12 Message by you on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 7:56 pm
If you played the release version then you know what state it was in.

Now, go watch all the pre-release dev videos on Youtube.

Here are some key things to note.....

They 100% say that killing any ship has consequences to the trade market. That is a flat out lie. Modders have already confirmed that killing ships makes no difference, they are nothing more than background clutter.

They claim the game was never designed for a console, only for PC. Again, a lie. Confirmed over and over the game's code is built around code that allows it to run on the 360. You really don't even need the code, just the game mechanics confirm it was designed to be played on a console without a keyboard.

The devs admit there was no beta testing done prior to release. All that was dones was some minor testing on specific parts of the game using modified game files. What was released was never tested.

Frame rates from 10-20 are not acceptable gameplay. Again, the devs themselves admitted this is an issue with the game engine and has nothing to do with specific people's computer setups.

Game-breaking bugs. Once again confirmed by the devs themselves, the entire trade and ship system controls are broken and do not function. It 100% breaks the story mode and eventually grinds free play to a halt.
13 Message by you on Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 8:21 pm
Just to be clear, the reason I am doing the charge back is because I was sold a game that is not functioning properly, and does not work as advertised, and you have refused the in store credit for this game. I have in good faith attempted to work through many trouble shooting steps and other advice to get the game to function properly, and gave Egosoft a chance to fix the game, which is why I have 3.9 hours. Egosoft have not released a patch to Steam since November 23rd, and as of patch 1.17 the game is still broken, the performance is still unplayable at ~10 FPS, bugs are still causing advertised game features to be missing.
14 Message by you on Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 8:32 am
The simple fact is, the game is not as advertised on your store page, it doesn't even have all the language translations advertised on your store page. The fact is you guys are participating in false advertising. Many features promised prior to release are in fact not in the game at all.
15 Message by you on Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 3:04 pm
Just to be clear. I have no malicious intent. I feel that since I was sold a faulty game that does not work as advertised, and does not perform correctly to be playable, that I am entitled to a refund since I cannot play the game. I have a product that I cannot literally use at all because the game is faulty. I feel that I am entitled to the refund because Egosoft themselves admitted to the problems the game has and apologised for it. I also feel I am entitled to a refund since the game is not as advertised by the developers, there are features that are missing or not working that makes the game not as advertised. Also the game is in a non playable condition because of the performance being near a slide show at 10 Frames per Second. Many people, including Egosoft, have talked about these issues. Many people have also recieved a refund for this game for the same reasons I have, and have received it regardless of how many hours in the game.

This is why I am doing a charge back. You left me with no choice but to get restitution for a faulty product through my credit card company.
I would be more then happy to cancel the charge back, if I can get an in store credit for the purchase price of this game.

If the answer is still no, I request that X:Rebirth is taken off of my library since I will not be entitled to it because of the charge back. I am not responsible for this product if it stays on my account library.
16 Message by you on Wed, 4th Dec 2013 6:11 am
Figure I would change my ticket to a new category since I did the chargeback and that will make my account suspended/restricted when that happens. Perhaps I will get a different person, that might help me.
Message by Support Tech Robbie on Fri, 6th Dec 2013 10:58 am
Hello,

As stated, this title has been played for over 3 hours. We are unable to assist you with a refund or credit for this purchase.

Unfortunately, we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.

Support for this title is handled by Egosoft Support - please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot any issues:

Egosoft Support
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/index_en.php

Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
At this point Robbie closed my first ticket, and I created another ticket which eventually was merged with my original ticket
I am asking for in store credit for the purchase price of X rebirth for 2 reasons:

1- False advertising on the Steam store page
Store page shows there is French Audio, there is in fact no french audio in the game. It is still being worked on. It is false advertising to mention a feature that is not in the product at the time of sale

Also it mentions every ship has a task. This is also not true. Most ships in the game are nothing more than place holders and just moving back and forth doing nothing else.

2- Performance issues:
The developers themselves on the Steam forums admitted to performance issues for high end computers because they did not optimize nor test for high end computers. For me because of their failure to properly test the game I am getting 10 Frames Per Second, which makes is unplayable.

I have spent a little over 3 hours going through all the troubleshooting steps from Steam and from Egosoft, and nothing has worked. Haven't actually got to play the game. Only thing I have done in game is load it up to test each thing I tried to increase the performance.

But no troubleshooting step wiill work when Egosoft themselves admit there is performance problems in the game for High end systems. I can't fix bad coding, and troubleshooting will not fix bad coding.

But for the fact that there is false advertising on the Steam store page, with no French audio especially, and not every ship has a task, should be reason enough to give refund through in store credit.

It is not right to sell a product under false advertising. No troubleshooting step will change the fact that there is no French Audio as advertise on the page. No troubleshooting steps will make every ship have a task as advertised on the Store page.

I am requesting a refund through in store credit, and the game take off of the library.
19 Message by you on Sat, 7th Dec 2013 7:01 pm
By the way this ticket is about X Rebirth

I was already denied 3 times by Robbie, I just don't have the energy to waste more time on trying to get a refund through in store credit for a game that was falsely advertised and doesn't work properly as admitted by the Egosoft the developers of the game on your forums. Robbie denied me saying that I played for over 3 hours and that is why I can't get a refund, even though I told him all of those hours were nothing more than troubleshooting the game and trying different things to get the game to work properly. I actually haven't played the game, I couldn't when it runs at 10 frames per second. Also many many people have received refunds for this game that have way more than 3 hours in game, so my hours in game have nothing to do with it me being denied, it is just Robbie that is so keen on denying refunds for some reason, where other customer reps have no problem giving refunds to people because of the false advertising, game stopping bugs, and performance issues.

It is sad that Steam couldn't be loyal to a 9 year loyal customer with 200 games in the library. Apparently making me keep a game falsely advertised and non functional is more important than having my future transactions. This experience has really soured my view of Steam, and I will just take my future transactions to Amazon, Origin, and other digital download stores. The $50 for X:Rebirth is the last dollar that Steam will see from me. Unless some miracle happens and you give me a refund through in store credit, I won't be coming back to Steam to buy any of my future games. You have some strong competition out there, and it is clear they actually do care about their customers, where as Steam doesn't care about their customers at all.
20 Message by you on Sun, 8th Dec 2013 6:04 pm
I am requesting a refund due to fraudulent advertising(misrepresentation), bait and switch. Features were hyped before release that were not present in the final version.

"Any fan of space simulations will find the UI in X Rebirth easy to use and much more intuitive, but the 'Trade, Fight, Build, Think' gameplay elements and interaction remain as deep as X game fans have come to expect."
- "Bernd"

- Promises gameplay features comparable in quality to previous X games
I was mislead by this comment and others by Bernd to believe that the "gameplay elements and interaction" would "remain as as deep as X game fans have come to expect" so by this statement I was lead to believe that the complexity and wealth of gameplay features would be similar and/or comparable in X Rebirth as previous games, when in reality that wealth of gameplay elements was stripped.

For example all previous X games featured joystick support, X Rebirth does not have proper joystick, support, no indication was given to expect proper joystick support would not be provided and I would say if all previous games had joystick support that it is a "gameplay elements and interaction remain as deep as X game fans have come to EXPECT."


- Not a finished Product - Early Access on X Rebirth Store Page was never listed in the description -
I was under the impression that X Rebirth being released on November 15 would be a finished product, but clearly taking one look at the reviews of problems and the opinions on the forums that this game is not currently in a finished state let alone a functional state. This game did not have an early access warning banner on its store page. Again I was mislead by advertising misrepresentation.

I mean really so far nothing in this game seems to work as claimed. The scripts are all broken, people with 5k computer setup and titan video cards have terrible performance. How angry do people have to get with this product before X Rebirth's steam store page gets shut down as The War Z's did?


- Doctored/Faked Gameplay Footage
Trailer videos from Egosoft prior to X-Rebirth Release on Nov 15 stating "All Scenes Show Actual Gameplay Footage" Implying on the highest settings that I, the customer would receive visuals from the game at that quality (on the highest settings) and that the trailers gameplay footage was not enhanced in any way to make the game appear better.

One of the reasons I bought this game was because of how amazing the visual graphics and effects looked in the trailers however when I got the game I was disappointed that even with the highest settings my visuals did not look anywhere near the graphics in the trailer. The Egosoft marketing trailers clearly had both antialiasing and anisotropic filtering applied to them to look that clear, however when I received the product the Anisotropic Filtering options were greyed out and not available for myself let alone anyone else upon release.

In reality, I was promised one version of the product which appeared to be of a high quality, and the product I received was not the product I was lead to believe I would receive. So not only is that advertising misrepresentation, but it is also a form of bait and switch and I believe under these circumstances are ground for a refund via **Steam Wallet**.
21 Message by you on Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:04 pm
I see things have been merged. I would still like an answer.

This game has been falsely advertised, both in video and on your site as I have stated above. Plus the coding was done really bad that many features do not work, and there is no troubleshooting step to fix them since it needs patches to get fixed. Also the performance is unplayable at ~10 Frames per second, and again no troubleshooting will work since the developers have admitted they need to fix that as well for high end machines. Egosoft contacted me and told me to get the refund from Steam, saying they have to give me a refund as stated in my email picture I attached to the original question thread.

All I am asking for is the one time customer service gesture of credit to the Steam wallet for the price of this game since it is still being falsely advertised, and the game still has game breaking bugs, and many major features still do not work. It was advertised as a finished product, instead I ended up paying to be a alpha/beta tester for an unfinished product, in which I was not told I was paying for.
22 Message by you on Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:48 pm
Just to note, Robbie gave Berserker, who had 3.9 hours played, on this thread a refund http://steamcommunity.com/app/2870/disc ... 1386708235

So I know hours has nothing to do with why I can't get a refund, since I have the same exact number of hours played, and all of my "playing" was nothing more than troubleshooting.

But it is the false advertising is the reason why I want a refund through a credit in Steam Wallet.
23 Message by you on Tue, 10th Dec 2013 1:56 pm
I am requesting a refund on X:Rebirth due to fraudulent advertising(misrepresentation), bait and switch. Features were hyped before release that were not present in the final version. 100% of my game time has also been used to troubleshoot the game to get it to work properly, only to find out that the developers have admitted the game needs major fixing and no troubleshooting will work till they fix it.

"Any fan of space simulations will find the UI in X Rebirth easy to use and much more intuitive, but the 'Trade, Fight, Build, Think' gameplay elements and interaction remain as deep as X game fans have come to expect."
- "Bernd"

- Promises gameplay features comparable in quality to previous X games
I was mislead by this comment and others by Bernd to believe that the "gameplay elements and interaction" would "remain as as deep as X game fans have come to expect" so by this statement I was lead to believe that the complexity and wealth of gameplay features would be similar and/or comparable in X Rebirth as previous games, when in reality that wealth of gameplay elements was stripped.

For example all previous X games featured joystick support, X Rebirth does not have proper joystick, support, no indication was given to expect proper joystick support would not be provided and I would say if all previous games had joystick support that it is a "gameplay elements and interaction remain as deep as X game fans have come to EXPECT."


- Not a finished Product - Early Access on X Rebirth Store Page was never listed in the description -
I was under the impression that X Rebirth being released on November 15 would be a finished product, but clearly taking one look at the reviews of problems and the opinions on the forums that this game is not currently in a finished state let alone a functional state. This game did not have an early access warning banner on its store page. Again I was mislead by advertising misrepresentation.

I mean really so far nothing in this game seems to work as claimed. The scripts are all broken, people with 5k computer setup and titan video cards have terrible performance. How angry do people have to get with this product before X Rebirth's steam store page gets shut down as The War Z's did?


- Doctored/Faked Gameplay Footage
Trailer videos from Egosoft prior to X-Rebirth Release on Nov 15 stating "All Scenes Show Actual Gameplay Footage" Implying on the highest settings that I, the customer would receive visuals from the game at that quality (on the highest settings) and that the trailers gameplay footage was not enhanced in any way to make the game appear better.

One of the reasons I bought this game was because of how amazing the visual graphics and effects looked in the trailers however when I got the game I was disappointed that even with the highest settings my visuals did not look anywhere near the graphics in the trailer. The Egosoft marketing trailers clearly had both antialiasing and anisotropic filtering applied to them to look that clear, however when I received the product the Anisotropic Filtering options were greyed out and not available for myself let alone anyone else upon release.

In reality, I was promised one version of the product which appeared to be of a high quality, and the product I received was not the product I was lead to believe I would receive. So not only is that advertising misrepresentation, but it is also a form of bait and switch and I believe under these circumstances are ground for a refund via **Steam Wallet**.
Message by Support Tech Robbie on Thu, 12th Dec 2013 1:07 pm
Hello,

As an one time exception to our policy, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases.

To view your current available Steam Wallet balance:
- Log in to your Steam account.
- The current available balance will be listed in the upper right hand corner next to "[Your username]'s Account".
- In most cases, the new funds will automatically be displayed in your account.
- If this has not happened, please allow two hours for the transaction to fully complete.

Please note in the future that Steam purchases, per the Steam Subscriber Agreement, are not refundable.
I actually opened up a 3rd ticket while the second ticket was opened, which was eventually merged with the second ticket that was also merged with the first ticket, so that is why there is some repeat in all of that.
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Post by RoyBaty »

eisberg77 wrote: What reasoning did you use for a refund?
Well, here is what I wrote after being denied the first time, but I'd like to think all the previous requests from you guys helped as well :wink:
Hello,

Thank you for your quick reply!

However, while I understand what is the steam policy regarding refunds, I would like you to reconsider your response.
The product I purchased is greatly inferior to the one advertised by the developer, which has led to many unhappy customers.
This is evident by the VERY low score it got from reviews (34 on Metacritic), and the very negative response to the game on Egosoft and Steam forums.

The bottom line is that I purchased a product which doesn't meet a reasonable standard, and as a result it is completely useless to me (I played it for only 2 hours and have since uninstalled it).

Just to clarify, given the second part of your response, my problem is not technical/troubleshooting, but rather an issue with the poor quality of the game (game features, game mechanics and game design are sub-par).

I understand that my request does not meet the Steam Subscriber Agreement, but I think that given what I stated above it deserves your consideration.
If it's not possible to give a cash refund, I can accept store credit as I expect to continue being a (generally quite happy) customer of your store.

Thank you!
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Post by eisberg77 »

RoyBaty wrote:
eisberg77 wrote: What reasoning did you use for a refund?
Well, here is what I wrote after being denied the first time, but I'd like to think all the previous requests from you guys helped as well :wink:
Hello,

Thank you for your quick reply!

However, while I understand what is the steam policy regarding refunds, I would like you to reconsider your response.
The product I purchased is greatly inferior to the one advertised by the developer, which has led to many unhappy customers.
This is evident by the VERY low score it got from reviews (34 on Metacritic), and the very negative response to the game on Egosoft and Steam forums.

The bottom line is that I purchased a product which doesn't meet a reasonable standard, and as a result it is completely useless to me (I played it for only 2 hours and have since uninstalled it).

Just to clarify, given the second part of your response, my problem is not technical/troubleshooting, but rather an issue with the poor quality of the game (game features, game mechanics and game design are sub-par).

I understand that my request does not meet the Steam Subscriber Agreement, but I think that given what I stated above it deserves your consideration.
If it's not possible to give a cash refund, I can accept store credit as I expect to continue being a (generally quite happy) customer of your store.

Thank you!
nice. yeah, I had to write a fricken novel to get my refund :shock:
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Post by Philbie »

I'm happy to say as of today I finally got a refund for X-Rebirth via Steam as a form of store credit. I just kept up the pressure and re-open'd the tickets until they gave in. I kept rational, polite and to the point in each piece of correspondence. I wish the best of luck for anyone else fighting for a refund.

I also hope that for those who are satisfied with their purchase, Egosoft get X-Rebirth into a worthy state.

In the future I personally won't be looking at X-Rebirth or further Rebirth like projects from Egosoft, technical problems aside I really dislike its direction especially the UI. However I will keep an eye on the remote possibility of a true X4, if it ever comes to be.
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Post by BobVila »

Huh. I didn't really expect this thread to last so long when I made it. Though it's good to see though that a lot of people have successfully gotten their money back.

It can be a pain initially, but as long as you're patient, persistent, and polite they'll usually come through for you.
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It's funny..

Post by Ryan390 »

I still remember the threads and all the posts regarding Rebirth's release date..

Does everyone remember all the excitement to the build-up of the game? It's such a shame how they messed this up so badly.

As for refunds, I was thinking about trying to get one from steam, not really for the money.. Mainly due to principal, and not let Ego Soft get away with it.

It seems other people have has some success with this..


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On a side note:
Always check Meta Critic for a review before spending your hard earned cash..

I'd actually avoid pre-ordering games entirely and just wait a couple of days or even a week after launch..

It's easier than ever these days to hype a game up before launch, follow your head and don't fall victim to ruthless marketing ploys..
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Re: It's funny..

Post by squicker »

Egosoft should look at what an amazing job Frontier have done of Elite Dangerous. Even in early Alpha that game looks and plays better than X:Abortion.

I can see why Frontier are proud to let people play their early Alpha, whereas Ego never even released one. Very telling with hindsight.
Ryan390 wrote:I still remember the threads and all the posts regarding Rebirth's release date..

Does everyone remember all the excitement to the build-up of the game? It's such a shame how they messed this up so badly.

As for refunds, I was thinking about trying to get one from steam, not really for the money.. Mainly due to principal, and not let Ego Soft get away with it.

It seems other people have has some success with this..


-------------------

On a side note:
Always check Meta Critic for a review before spending your hard earned cash..

I'd actually avoid pre-ordering games entirely and just wait a couple of days or even a week after launch..

It's easier than ever these days to hype a game up before launch, follow your head and don't fall victim to ruthless marketing ploys..
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Post by bumpinthenight »

Robbie denied my request again today, citing the 6 hours of alt-tabbed trouble shooting I did in the first few days as 'play time'. That was exchange #5 over close to three weeks now.

Just waiting for Mastercard's paper work to show up for the charge back at this point. :(
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