Walkop wrote:I've lurked around this community, the X community, for a VERY long time.
What I personally find appalling about this situation was that there was only a single response from Egosoft in this entire 14 page thread.
That is (objectively) pathetic. There's no way around it. It is pathetic. We know that you read these pages, guys. So give us something. Communicate. Stop leaving us all in the ditch.
if they start to communicate with comunity (especially mr. Bernd), they will drown in the waves of Zerg rush of questions, negative reviews, they will have to admit that they were wrong, and that seven years of development wasted. and it is very bad marketing move for the company. so they wait until the passions subside around the game's release
IMHO
There is my opinion: no more egosoft games, except fully playable DEMO-VERSIONS. I want know what i paid for.
werewolves? wrote:It's all subjective in the end. I find a lot of games that rate 9/10 boring as anything and have never finished them but enjoy Rebirth despite it's problems.
It probably depends on your attitude going into the game and what you enjoy doing.
Walkop wrote:What I personally find appalling about this situation was that there was only a single response from Egosoft in this entire 14 page thread.
It does not surprise me, most of the posts from Egosoft personnel tend to be from CBJ on the most part who is also a moderator or Bernd when he has actual news.
To put things simply, they are too busy with real work to get dragged into these debates. Especially since (at least IMO) most of these threads probably have about the informative value of a particle of smoke where they are concerned (i.e. nothing new really).
They are aware of the issues and I suspect that when it is appropriate they will engage in whatever constructive discussions are relevant at the given time. Egosoft have rarely been talkative on these forums, you should know that since you have been hanging around these forums for so long
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:They are aware of the issues and I suspect that when it is appropriate they will engage in whatever constructive discussions are relevant at the given time. Egosoft have rarely been talkative on these forums, you should know that since you have been hanging around these forums for so long
Yea, not much point them repeating what they've already said, and we'll hear about it when they have something new to say. In the meantime, my guess is most of the ES Dev's are busy going about their lives and jobs.
A wise man once said...nothing. I'm not a wise man, so I speak my mind. You can't trust atoms because they make up everything.
as you wish, sir
Name-----Current Players-----30-Day Avg.-----30-Day Gain-----30-Day % Gain
X Rebirth 1,120 1,775.8 -858.1 -32.58%
Nice that you chose different numbers... I took the peak as it shows the steadily dropping value for the number of players - note that today's peak (and for the last few days) are less than your 30-day average. Your average is skewed by the initial lump of players, where we had 14,000 pre-order guys trying to play it. That number has steadily dropped since then. Come back in a month's time when those initial values have dropped off the 30-day chart and you'll see what I mean. Similarly for AP, the numbers are increasing, though obviously not by much - and I still contend many people are playing AP outside of the steam stats, something that cannot be said for X:R.
So I hope you understand why I took the current set as a more objective statistic, trying to show just what the current state of play is with X:R.
Today's stats: 30-day average is 1653, tomorrow's will be 1500.
Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
I'm the guy who started that thread on the Steam forum. I just now updated it, and guess what? X:R just got its first positive review!
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Hahaha nope, just kidding. Two more reviews that say it sucks. The word "disaster" was used, as well as "screwed over" and the now-standard "broken, buggy, and boring".
So that's a couple of ****loads of bad reviews, and hang on, let me count them...um...yeah, still zero positive (i.e. over 50%) reviews.
But hey, who cares about review scores? We all know only one scoreboard really matters:
FuryFlex wrote: Two more reviews that say it sucks. The word "disaster" was used, as well as "screwed over" and the now-standard "broken, buggy, and boring".
I wanna say "thanks" to you again. You did a great job
1st post updated
There is my opinion: no more egosoft games, except fully playable DEMO-VERSIONS. I want know what i paid for.
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
What we need is number of unique players in a day. Kind of like number 1 metric of web sites...
FuryFlex wrote: Two more reviews that say it sucks. The word "disaster" was used, as well as "screwed over" and the now-standard "broken, buggy, and boring".
I wanna say "thanks" to you again. You did a great job
1st post updated
Thanks! I tried hard to get a refund out of Steam. I may even pursue arbitration (as outlined in the Subscriber Agreement they kept quoting at me). That may not work, but I bet I've kept a few other people from wasting their money like I did.
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
Also those steam numbers don't include people playing in offline mode. Don't know how many extra people that might be, but it's at least +1 - the computer I have XR installed on is only plugged into the router when I want to download a patch.
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
Yes so if you consider all the people playing TC and AP without Steam, its not just the same amount of players as XR, its way more.
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
Also those steam numbers don't include people playing in offline mode. Don't know how many extra people that might be, but it's at least +1 - the computer I have XR installed on is only plugged into the router when I want to download a patch.
A few points though.
Excluding the release moment peak, peak of unique players is proportional to the peak of total online players in a day.
As far as the offline players go, I somehow assume, they are offline regardless of what game they play. Or maybe not
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
Yes so if you consider all the people playing TC and AP without Steam, its not just the same amount of players as XR, its way more.
You can't count what you can't see... so any declaration of fact EITHER way is pure speculation... to put it simply, nothing more than a complete survey of the customer base (i.e. those who currently own the rights to play a copy) would actually paint the true picture. And I doubt that is going to happen and be visible to us any time soon
Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:Just remember when referring to the Steam statistics that it is "simultaenious" players at a given moment in time being counted. That does not map directly to number of people that actually like the game.
Yes so if you consider all the people playing TC and AP without Steam, its not just the same amount of players as XR, its way more.
You can't count what you can't see... so any declaration of fact EITHER way is pure speculation... to put it simply, nothing more than a complete survey of the customer base (i.e. those who currently own the rights to play a copy) would actually paint the true picture. And I doubt that is going to happen and be visible to us any time soon
So you don't believe in atoms either then?
Actually, you can see atoms if you use the right tools.
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