"Gamestar" Interview with Bernd

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yoyolll wrote:
Pharoah wrote:
Usenko wrote:Or he could be just reaching for the stars and hitting the fence. Happens to all of us at one time or another.

He could, of course, simply develop the same game over and over again.

Nah, nobody would be that cynical, right? No-one would simply create, oh, I don't know, lots and lots of 1st person shooters . . . :D

Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.
Nobody would care about him falling short, if he didn't keep the charade going, which he still is.

Nobody said they wanted anything this different, don't put that on us, the customer, WE din't tell Bernd to design this game the way he did, he did it on his own, and without ANY input from the community.

There's only so many ways you can take a series before it becomes something completely different, we should have been told this is a "FPS in Space" and not anything at all strategic like previous X titles.

Their advertising campaign did NOT paint the picture that was delivered. Period. I'm not the only one who feels this way, the vast majority feels this way.

If we didn't... there wouldn't be so much damn rage going on.
I agree. He said a lot of stuff he knew potential customers want to hear (and probably a lot of stuff he genuinely meant), but now we see this game had a shroud over it from the very beginning.
This.
My biggest issue is that, while everyone is saying they will fix the game (which I hope), Bernd seems to simply ignore some issues, and pretend they do not exist. Only problems which are considered will be fixed.
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Post by Ringo7 »

birdtable wrote:Bernd still in denial .... add more features !!!! ... The testers complained ... they were ignored and removed.
It doesn't matter to me now. I got my refund through our American Express account. We were basically deceived and I'm not paying for something that is broken. AMEX promptly credited our account and going after Steam for collection.

If you cannot get your refund THROUGH Steam, get it from your credit card company.
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Post by Praetorian »

Llothlian wrote:I am going to whine and whine and whine about it until I get some attention.
You've been doing an excellent job.

I'd say we've found the undercover Egosoft spindoctor.

Now please stop posting your garbage. If you enjoy X Rebirth so much, go play it instead of bumping threads with meaningless lines of drivel.
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Praetorian wrote:
Llothlian wrote:I am going to whine and whine and whine about it until I get some attention.
You've been doing an excellent job.

I'd say we've found the undercover Egosoft spindoctor.

Now please stop posting your garbage. If you enjoy X Rebirth so much, go play it instead of bumping threads with meaningless lines of drivel.
No need for a personal attack, which ironically achieves the very aim you complain they are allegedly attempting - to bump the thread. Carry on the insulting behaviour, and we go down the formal route.

Good bumping :p
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Praetorian wrote:
Llothlian wrote:I am going to whine and whine and whine about it until I get some attention.
You've been doing an excellent job.

I'd say we've found the undercover Egosoft spindoctor.

Now please stop posting your garbage. If you enjoy X Rebirth so much, go play it instead of bumping threads with meaningless lines of drivel.
Ha ha, if that's the spin-doctor, no wonder the fallout is this big.
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Post by UnclePaulie »

" The German developer Egosoft team has a tough task ahead: they must regain the trust of their customers. Because after the release of their space game X: Rebirth in November there were massive criticism from both the fans as well as by the press. Rebirth was bugged and unfinished thrown on the market - after seven years of development time.
At present, although new patches appear almost daily cycles. Until the youngest part of the X-series, however, achieved a commendable status, are certain to pass Monte. And if the serious gameplay weaknesses are ever resolved, written in the stars.
We spoke with Egosoft boss Bernd Lehahn about the release of X: Rebirth, about the future of the game and good sales now account for the Rebirth at least to financial success.
Gamestar: How did it happen that X: Rebirth was released in such an unfinished state?
300x.jpg We spoke with Egosoft boss Bernd Lehahn on X: Rebirth Bernd Lehahn. There are as many reasons that have negatively played together. The release date is indeed set for a while before and after seven years of development, you have to come out sometime in the game. But the problem was not the date, but our struggle to add more and more features, and that too very late in development.
We always want to offer a high level of diversity and it is just an X game become, even though I have repeatedly stressed that it is not X4. This expectation I did not want to wake up, but it's still difficult to bring out a game in the Trade, Substations, fights, plot and tutorial so many things are possible.
We have, for example, until the beginning of 2013, the landing platforms completely rebuilt. By the end of 2012, we had a mode where you end up by pressing a button and then once interacts without free running around. Consequently, we were not happy and have added much too late.
But the bigger problem is actually the little bugs that small crashes. And that is the main reason for the bumpy start, as we did not have enough testers. I have a very underestimated. We had 150 people with more testers than ever before, but the game is very popular. We have on the one hand achieved what we wanted, that many more people play the game.
But it has also brought with it that we were surprised by the many technical problems that occurred especially on fast computers. We underestimated how many problems there would be with high-end computers. We had here in the office is not a computer, which was as strong as some systems on which Rebirth is now played. We have always assumed that the game would run on such computers also good if it runs on our middle-class computers.

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X: Rebirth
On "highways" we can move through the sectors of the revised X-Universe quickly - unfortunately it has fallen quite small with only four systems.

Gamestar: Well Rebirth is not only because of its bugs but also because of not well thought out or well-functioning game mechanics in the criticism. Did you have during the development never felt you had to draw a line sometime now?

Bernd Lehahn: no. This problem is not new and it is always like this: We could go on and on. We can theoretically install everything since. And so we will continue to work once the bugs are fixed. There is already a long list of new features that we want to include.
The gameplay changes I see but other than the technical problems that would certainly have been annoying and avoidable if you would have done something like Early Access. If you would just test with more people. Some gameplay changes might not like many hardcore fans, but that's just another game. It was clear from the outset that many hardcore fans would rather have a X4. And maybe we do that, too someday. But we can not reach new customers. Both the entry into the game but especially the pace of the entire gameplay mechanics will always be a difference between these two approaches.

Gamestar: And with this release, you have more players achieved?

Bernd Lehahn: We have sold more games in the first weeks after release than at any other X game before.

Gamestar: But was that a fair start to charge 50 Euros for a game in this state?

Bernd Lehahn: We also get a lot of positive feedback, it is unfortunately overshadowed by many technical problems, but there are also many people play this game and are happy with. It is of course annoying when some of our customers, no matter how big is this part that has performance problems or get stuck for any reason in the plot. And such things are preventable.
But such things as the change to the highways. Something very specific, which is radically different. The game is faster and action-oriented. The trade is for example run in parallel instead of the player to force personally experience this slow part of the game. For such things there is no point with fans via such features to debate. With these basic things, the question makes little sense after better or worse, as you compare apples with pears. It's just completely different. If you make a game in which the players act itself and control its merchant ships, one has a much slower game. But we will never change at Rebirth.
On the one hand we have detailed plans X: Rebirth to expand and also to enable much what grade miss the old fans at the moment. But this much we will also add, X: Rebirth anyway for a lot of changed tuners and where nothing will change. One must as accurately distinguish. "


Another translation

http://spacesimcentral.com/ssc/topic/40 ... nd-lehahn/

Same crap, the guy has lost his marbles .
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davebispham wrote:Gamestar : You just mentioned the Early Access program from Steam. Why did you choose this option is not used if you already relies on the controversial in your fan circles Steam coercion?

Bernd Lehahn : We would like to have done it , but the opportunity came late . And it was not due to marketing reasons. It would fit well with our type of publication and we would have the game now probably over a longer period in the Early Access .

Gamestar : But on their Steam sells the game even ? And so the new Early Access option on Steam is again not now .

Bernd Lehahn : How do you say already on Steam , we sell it yourself. But unfortunately be supplied only on Steam. Because I can not go into details , but it's just so that we can not do what we want . We also need to take on the retail sales consideration . Sadly, it has .

Is Bernd saying here that if he released the game as early access on steam that he would only be able to sell the completed game on steam???
If so is this true???
Not really. The google translate is pretty awful. The gist of what he's saying is that because of the way they arranged to sell the game via brick&mortar stores, that even though they are self-publishing on Steam, they couldn't use Steam Early Access for those reasons.

The way I understood it was that they'd already agreed dates/details with the publishers for the box version and hence it wasn't possible to do Steam Early Access. I don't fully understand the reasoning myself, but there's no more details.
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MartinSGill wrote:
davebispham wrote:Gamestar : You just mentioned the Early Access program from Steam. Why did you choose this option is not used if you already relies on the controversial in your fan circles Steam coercion?

Bernd Lehahn : We would like to have done it , but the opportunity came late . And it was not due to marketing reasons. It would fit well with our type of publication and we would have the game now probably over a longer period in the Early Access .

Gamestar : But on their Steam sells the game even ? And so the new Early Access option on Steam is again not now .

Bernd Lehahn : How do you say already on Steam , we sell it yourself. But unfortunately be supplied only on Steam. Because I can not go into details , but it's just so that we can not do what we want . We also need to take on the retail sales consideration . Sadly, it has .

Is Bernd saying here that if he released the game as early access on steam that he would only be able to sell the completed game on steam???
If so is this true???
Not really. The google translate is pretty awful. The gist of what he's saying is that because of the way they arranged to sell the game via brick&mortar stores, that even though they are self-publishing on Steam, they couldn't use Steam Early Access for those reasons.

The way I understood it was that they'd already agreed dates/details with the publishers for the box version and hence it wasn't possible to do Steam Early Access. I don't fully understand the reasoning myself, but there's no more details.
Translation: They had ****** lawyers or none at all and got ****** by the retailers hard ;) The agreement probably forbid any sort of public testing or large scale test.
lesson learn hire a god damn lawyer next time.
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Post by Cyb3rNinja »

Added the translation to my starting post, no need for the crappy google translator any more ;)
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I'm not really surprised that Bernd is persevering with the "minor problems, great success overall" line. There's most likely a very good reason for it, in that if Egosoft admit to any failure or liability, they may be opening themselves up to various lawsuits or breach of contract penalties with DeepSilver or the retailers that may be carrying Rebirth boxes that are not selling now.
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daznis wrote:Translation: They had ****** lawyers or none at all and got ****** by the retailers hard ;) The agreement probably forbid any sort of public testing or large scale test.
lesson learn hire a god damn lawyer next time.
It has nothing to do with contracts, its because when you release boxed copies you have a whole lot of logistics to plan for, particularly regarding storage. Companies these days try to get by on minimal storage space to save money so you can't just delay the release date for months while a bunch of game boxes are taking up warehouse space that stores intended to use for completely different games in the meantime.
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They simply went the $$$ route. X games have always been for a smaller community, a quality long lasting sandbox game. Now money speaks, Egosoft right?

Now, they made a game for the mass, the one who simply wants graphics and walking in 3d environment with absolutely no depth...a console game.

Move on guys, forget about it, X is dead forever. Egosoft as we knew is dead too. They are now driven by fast ca$h, not quality games. They will die because they are light years behind the competition for this kind of games.

X games had the potential of being a game which we will long remember, a real classic. Unfortunately it was left unpolished.

This will be my last post ever in this forum. I am happy I did not bought the game because the moment I saw the single ship thing, it rang a bell immediately and I applied the brakes right there.

Move on guys and forget Egosoft. X is dead...RIP
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Post by Jurand »

What a load of horse doodoo.

He displays extreme myopia for starters - Rebirth has sold more in the first 2 weeks than any other X game before. Great, how about selling after the first 2 weeks? Yeah, I'm kind of sure that has fallen off a little, hasn't it? Especially since all the reviews pretty much agree that Duke Nukem Forever was a far superior game.

The ONLY reason it did as well as it did over the first 2 weeks was because of the "hardcore" fans (who now feel cheated by the way) who went out and blindly bought the game before any reviews were out. Your next launch, I guarantee you, will be the slowest one you've ever had, unless you pull the nastiest trick we can think of and call it X4, then many of us fans won't be able to resist and will buy it on impulse. But for all intents and purposes, X:Rebirth's sequel is going to be a commercial flop. Why? It's simple, you're in a niche market and you've pissed off the fans that give you the momentum in terms of initial sales, without them, you're dead in the water. In other words, you've screwed the pooch.

The controls are good for early game? Have you even PLAYED the game? I mean on something else than an Xbox360 controller. I sure hope not because that would mean that our definitions of good are radically divergent.

The new concepts that he defends are just horrendous and liberty restricting. Running the economy in parallel and not being involved in trading is akin to pressing an "iWin" button to get more cash. For what? Well, I'm not sure what for since you can't really have fleets to control yourself.

Now, I'm no Computer Engineer but tell me if my logic is wrong. If the game runs well on mid-level computers that you tested it on, why in the 7 hells that you created would it run poorly on stronger computers? Logically, the line of reasoning is if it runs good on mid level computers it will run great on high end ones. Inversely, if it runs poorly on high end computers, then it will run even worst on mid level ones. The only thing that would break this logic is that you've never really optimized it for anything else than a slim margin of available hardware, akin to a console release.

I got X:rebirth. I actually pre-loaded it on Steam. I took 2 days off work to get to play right out of the gate. I got terribly disappointed. I'm not buying any other X product without a review first ever again. Egosoft's reputation, as far as I'm concerned, is that of an inept developer from now on.
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Jurand wrote: The controls are good for early game? Have you even PLAYED the game? I mean on something else than an Xbox360 controller. I sure hope not because that would mean that our definitions of good are radically divergent.
Actually interface is fantastically bad with controller too. I have played X2 and X3 with controller (if you are wondering why, because flying cap ships was easier and i had controller and did not have a stick). I did all the trading and building with it as well... Oh well
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Post by turokdarkstar »

The fact is that many former fans are now telling their friends to stay away, the review sites are telling people to stay away and forums across the internet are telling people to stay away. You can put the PR machine into full gear all you want, but the damage is done. The entire reason for XRebirths existence has been destroyed, bringing in new customers -- and the old fans are going to sit on their hands with future releases.

This is why you don't betray an established fanbase. I hope they learned their lesson. Don't make promises you can't keep (i.e. telling lies) and take into consideration the desires of your current supporters with respect to established IP's you want to tinker with to get a larger customer base.
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TinkerToy wrote:I'm not really surprised that Bernd is persevering with the "minor problems, great success overall" line. There's most likely a very good reason for it, in that if Egosoft admit to any failure or liability, they may be opening themselves up to various lawsuits or breach of contract penalties with DeepSilver or the retailers that may be carrying Rebirth boxes that are not selling now.
That might well be the wisest post anyone has said all day. 8)

It really is that simple, don't look for deeper explanations. Bernd is CEO of Egosoft he has responsibilities he isn't stupid, ask him stupid questions and you'll get stupid answers. :roll:

That interview was a wasted opportunity imho.
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BigBANGtheory wrote:
TinkerToy wrote:I'm not really surprised that Bernd is persevering with the "minor problems, great success overall" line. There's most likely a very good reason for it, in that if Egosoft admit to any failure or liability, they may be opening themselves up to various lawsuits or breach of contract penalties with DeepSilver or the retailers that may be carrying Rebirth boxes that are not selling now.
That might well be the wisest post anyone has said all day. 8)

It really is that simple, don't look for deeper explanations. Bernd is CEO of Egosoft he has responsibilities he isn't stupid, ask him stupid questions and you'll get stupid answers. :roll:

That interview was a wasted opportunity imho.
I still think he could have acknowledged "some shortfalls" (without naming them) and saying they will work on it. Because some things aren't bugs, they are just missing.
Can't set price of your station products. Can't use some captured ships because they don't have docking bay, or retrieve your marines.
That's not a bug, it's design cockup
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dzhedzho wrote:
BigBANGtheory wrote:
TinkerToy wrote:I'm not really surprised that Bernd is persevering with the "minor problems, great success overall" line. There's most likely a very good reason for it, in that if Egosoft admit to any failure or liability, they may be opening themselves up to various lawsuits or breach of contract penalties with DeepSilver or the retailers that may be carrying Rebirth boxes that are not selling now.
That might well be the wisest post anyone has said all day. 8)

It really is that simple, don't look for deeper explanations. Bernd is CEO of Egosoft he has responsibilities he isn't stupid, ask him stupid questions and you'll get stupid answers. :roll:

That interview was a wasted opportunity imho.
I still think he could have acknowledged "some shortfalls" (without naming them) and saying they will work on it. Because some things aren't bugs, they are just missing.
Can't set price of your station products. Can't use some captured ships because they don't have docking bay, or retrieve your marines.
That's not a bug, it's design cockup
What possible benefit is there to Egosoft by admitting it? We've already bought the game, and most of us will have simmered down enough to buy the first expansion, whenever it's out. New customers might be put off by reading the CEO admitted there are features missing. From a business perspective saying sorry (again) wont help him, but it definitely will hurt him, especially in so public a forum.
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Llothlian wrote:
dzhedzho wrote:
BigBANGtheory wrote:
TinkerToy wrote:I'm not really surprised that Bernd is persevering with the "minor problems, great success overall" line. There's most likely a very good reason for it, in that if Egosoft admit to any failure or liability, they may be opening themselves up to various lawsuits or breach of contract penalties with DeepSilver or the retailers that may be carrying Rebirth boxes that are not selling now.
That might well be the wisest post anyone has said all day. 8)

It really is that simple, don't look for deeper explanations. Bernd is CEO of Egosoft he has responsibilities he isn't stupid, ask him stupid questions and you'll get stupid answers. :roll:

That interview was a wasted opportunity imho.
I still think he could have acknowledged "some shortfalls" (without naming them) and saying they will work on it. Because some things aren't bugs, they are just missing.
Can't set price of your station products. Can't use some captured ships because they don't have docking bay, or retrieve your marines.
That's not a bug, it's design cockup
What possible benefit is there to Egosoft by admitting it? We've already bought the game, and most of us will have simmered down enough to buy the first expansion, whenever it's out. New customers might be put off by reading the CEO admitted there are features missing. From a business perspective saying sorry (again) wont help him, but it definitely will hurt him, especially in so public a forum.
What would be gained from it? Approximately 20,000 copies sold on Steam, MAYBE another 10,000 in physical boxes (Yes, ALL digital copies sold anywhere on the internet are "Steam Keys" and thus registered through Steam.)

They would gain a FRACTION of the reputation they lost during this whole fiasco, they would regain a small amount of trust among their old time fans, as well as some of the newer market audience.

By ignoring everything, he's simply digging the hole deeper.

Nobody is going to BUY the expansion, at least, the majority won't, for the simple reason, the majority feels that since Egosoft/Steam/What ever other vendor you used, will not refund the product, that at LEAST the first expansion should be free to those who pre-ordered, or ordered on launch.

Egosoft is going down a river, with no paddle, nor boat.
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Post by Shinkenshi »

This is SUCH an annoying response. I don't even know why I bother coming on this board anymore other than to rage.

So he basically said that other than small bugs affecting a very vocal minority of players this game is great. Are you kidding me? Pull your head out of your rear and look at all the user AND professional reviews on every aspect of the game and tell me this game is not universally panned.

Thanks to your small bugs affecting a minority, I can't even play this game above 10fps running everything on minimum, and you have the balls to tell me that this is not on your priority?

Hey guess what. If you personally mail me $50, cash or check, then you won't have this vocal "minority" that's raging across your forums and, well, all over the internet basically. I'll care less that your product does not function, or your refusal to fix the said product, or your delusional idea of success, or anything to do with your company.

btw did anyone else notice how this guy basically stopped posting on the board ever since the game's release?

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