BUG: S/M Fabrication bay is not a DOCK

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Re: BUG: S/M Fabrication bay is not a DOCK

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jlehtone wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 10:44 Btw, you can plan a station, where M and L, but no S can dock. Does the construction menu warn about that? If not, then that is a bug.
Answer to your question is no.
When using 8M + 1-Pier dock build mode does not give any warning about missing S-dock.
On the other hand can it kept as bug if for example player wants only allow M+ size ships traffic? 8M dock contains XS (spacesuit) door.
Nanook wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 11:03
jlehtone wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 10:44...
The missions do want specific things (even when they make no sense -- see the fixed loadout Fleet Assemblies). If a mission requests Dock Module, then it does. Being able to dock at the station afterwards is a bonus side-effect.
I've never had a station build mission that didn't require a dock. Most do not require a pier though I do tend to install one anyway. Helps increase the mission reward.
Defence station & platform missions had no dock requirement in 3.x and pier dock requirement wasn't there either. Normal production stations required dock but no pier dock.
I was tight with budget to maximize profits like jlehtone in earlier versions until 5.x brought value + 50% (max reward x million) type construction missions. Building dock would have decreased profits :D But yes it hit my face as I wasn't able to sell drone resouces for those defence stations.
Dock for defence station & platform and pier dock requirement may have come in 6.x (not sure as I haven't played that version line but moved from 5.10 to 7.x).
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Re: BUG: S/M Fabrication bay is not a DOCK

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jlehtone wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 10:44
Raptor34 wrote: Sun, 29. Dec 24, 20:23
TheDeliveryMan wrote: Sun, 29. Dec 24, 20:14 I don't think this is a bug. The mission does not ask for some way to dock at the HQ, it asks for a module of type "Dock Module". Fabrication/Maintenance Bays are of type "Build Module", that's something different. This is consistent with generic station build missions.
And yet as you can see from BitByte's test above, the station construction menu does acknowledge the S/M fab module as a dock. So while generic station build missions do not accept them, I don't think the HQ not accepting it is intended.
Early in the game I did build stations for NPC. Being a penny-pincher I ignored the "the plan has no Pier" in the construction menu. I cannot trade with those NPC stations with L freighters (and thus they tend to have the "Best buy/sell" offers to inconvenience me).

In other words, the construction menu's warnings do say: "if you leave the plan as is, then S/M/L ships cannot trade with this station".
Btw, you can plan a station, where M and L, but no S can dock. Does the construction menu warn about that? If not, then that is a bug.


The missions do want specific things (even when they make no sense -- see the fixed loadout Fleet Assemblies). If a mission requests Dock Module, then it does. Being able to dock at the station afterwards is a bonus side-effect.
For generic missions, but the HQ is intended for player use. And I think that that should be taken into account. Especially considering both modules fill the same basic requirements, i.e. allow S/M docking.
And as I noted, faction wharves already do not have S/M docks, only the fab modules.
BitByte wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 12:19
jlehtone wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 10:44 Btw, you can plan a station, where M and L, but no S can dock. Does the construction menu warn about that? If not, then that is a bug.
Answer to your question is no.
When using 8M + 1-Pier dock build mode does not give any warning about missing S-dock.
On the other hand can it kept as bug if for example player wants only allow M+ size ships traffic? 8M dock contains XS (spacesuit) door.
Nanook wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 11:03
jlehtone wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 10:44...
The missions do want specific things (even when they make no sense -- see the fixed loadout Fleet Assemblies). If a mission requests Dock Module, then it does. Being able to dock at the station afterwards is a bonus side-effect.
I've never had a station build mission that didn't require a dock. Most do not require a pier though I do tend to install one anyway. Helps increase the mission reward.
Defence station & platform missions had no dock requirement in 3.x and pier dock requirement wasn't there either. Normal production stations required dock but no pier dock.
I was tight with budget to maximize profits like jlehtone in earlier versions until 5.x brought value + 50% (max reward x million) type construction missions. Building dock would have decreased profits :D But yes it hit my face as I wasn't able to sell drone resouces for those defence stations.
Dock for defence station & platform and pier dock requirement may have come in 6.x (not sure as I haven't played that version line but moved from 5.10 to 7.x).
At the very lease QUE one's do require a dock, but I can't remember if they need a pier. I'll need to check later.
Well, I'll double check both, now that I think about it I can't remember if I added them for my purposes or if the missions asked for it.
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Re: BUG: S/M Fabrication bay is not a DOCK

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Raptor34 wrote: Wed, 1. Jan 25, 14:04 At the very lease QUE one's do require a dock, but I can't remember if they need a pier. I'll need to check later.
Well, I'll double check both, now that I think about it I can't remember if I added them for my purposes or if the missions asked for it.
In 5.10hf3b only normal dock was required. Because I rely much more to L-size ships I decided to give as "extra" 1 pier dock so it would make my life easier. I still have in that LT game some (ARG & ALI) stations build via mmissions which only have S/M dock.
In that same LT game I had multiple ARG defence stations which only contained M-container + 1-3 defence modules (build via Argon vs Xenon missions). As it wasn't possible dock to those I decided use my Asgard and one by one destroyed them away so they wouldn't show up in buy wares list. I may still have 1 or 2 left in Argon Prime. Pity that Argon never improved those and expanded with dock or new modules.
Now in 7.10hf3 I have built some defense platforms and other stations for ZYA, TEL and other factions and they require both dock types in mission briefing.

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