Please oh please Egosoft!!!

[dtpsprt]

I gather that what you want is a completely immersion-less game(no engine noise, point and click station building like X3 and one click docking)- and the quick reward, instant gratification arcade game(reduced payouts.)
I'm fine with the improvements. They were needed to make the game enjoyable and something to become immersed in and enjoy. I have no interest in a game that has to be played "frantically" and "win" after a few hours of gameplay.

Not really immersion-less, All X games from Beyond the Frontier to X3 AP have a story line and it takes a good year and a half at 2+ hours of game per day to complete. More than that time we are talking about people with serious problems of different kinds (btw I'm not taking any sentimental politically correct flack about this, since I have personally been a quadraplegic for a year and blind for 3 months so I DO have personal experience).
Besides, as I said before all of these previous X Universe games had the option of manual docking for those wanting to use it. You want to make the docking procedure more "reality like"? Fine with me but it's not everybody's preference or liking.
As for frantically... what's more frantic than being on a highway lane speeding at 10K m/s watching for the correct time to exit it, since the Autopilot will either malfunction (take you further away, usually to the next system) or get disabled in the most crucial moment leaving you circling in that Highway ad infinitum?
I love personal duels, against any ship, even though the discriminations between small fighters, medium fighters and heavy fighters have been lost (a Discoverer going against two Falcons should result in almost instant obliteration of the smaller ship, instead I don't only stand a chance but I even manage to capture the two Falcons!!!), still what is absolutely new in X4 (it did not even exist in X Rebirth) is ships operating at 100% with 95% damage!!! No speed reduction, no manoeuvrability lost etc, as if combat inflicted damage is just a statistic that has nothing to do with reality.
As for fleet combat I refrain from commenting since it's still a work in progress.
Station building? Real Life immersion (designing and installing factories in the print industry) has taught me that once you know what you want is a constant repetition, so I prefer to be done with it by hitting a button or two... but that is preference...

[dtpsprt]

But they're currently working on missions so hopefully they'll improve a lot in the next update and be more fun and actually worth doing.

I too hope they will, that's why I am complaining. If every body goes Oooh Ahhhh Immersion.... Wow Graphics... See? It's New... then, what kind of improvement can anybody expect?

[GCU Grey Area]

Station building? Real Life immersion (designing and installing factories in the print industry) has taught me that once you know what you want is a constant repetition, so I prefer to be done with it by hitting a button or two... but that is preference...

Really? Quite surprised. Personally find station building far more enjoyable in X4 compared to previous X games. Don't have to stay in the same sector, often for hours & suffer appalling framerates (less than 1fps on some of my larger X3 builds). Don't have to watch that tedious build animation over & over & over again - dozens, sometimes hundreds of times in a row. Don't have to organise a fleet of TLs to bring the stations to me. Instead I just queue up the build plans, assign a CV & let it run on automatic while I get on with something else - once it's set up I don't have to hang around to press any buttons at all. May have to organise delivery of materials on some of the larger builds (where the requirements of what I want to build vastly exceed local supply availability), however mostly focus on trade in X games so it's pretty much what I'd be doing anyway & the queued order system is marvellous for this - set up the trades & let my ships do it for me over the next several hours.

[Duncaroos]

Station building? Real Life immersion (designing and installing factories in the print industry) has taught me that once you know what you want is a constant repetition, so I prefer to be done with it by hitting a button or two... but that is preference...

So then save a template of the station and repeat? They also have "copy module sequence" for this very reason.

[dtpsprt]

Really? Quite surprised. Personally find station building far more enjoyable in X4 compared to previous X games. Don't have to stay in the same sector, often for hours & suffer appalling framerates (less than 1fps on some of my larger X3 builds). Don't have to watch that tedious build animation over & over & over again - dozens, sometimes hundreds of times in a row. Don't have to organise a fleet of TLs to bring the stations to me. Instead I just queue up the build plans, assign a CV & let it run on automatic while I get on with something else - once it's set up I don't have to hang around to press any buttons at all. May have to organise delivery of materials on some of the larger builds (where the requirements of what I want to build vastly exceed local supply availability), however mostly focus on trade in X games so it's pretty much what I'd be doing anyway & the queued order system is marvellous for this - set up the trades & let my ships do it for me over the next several hours.

Well,,, beauty (along with station building) is in the eye of the beholder!!!
Afterall I'm more of the gypsy kind... prefer trade to station building (investing lots of capital and then siting t see it come back) and a nice battle fleet (once the fleet thing is finally working).

[dtpsprt]

So then save a template of the station and repeat? They also have "copy module sequence" for this very reason.

True, but I would rather have my X3 TL delivering 3 stations at a go, to join together in an autonomous station, join them, put a trader with an escort to deal with the end products and forget all about it (surely beats the building time of X4 by a mile). Then again, as I said, preferences...

[dholmstr]

It really sounds to me like you want to play X3 AP. It is a great game, add the Licubs universe mod and damn it's awsome. You think you can find it cheap somewhere.

[Nort The Fragrent]

Docking has improved tremendously in X4, They have made the game more realistic and docking is a huge part of the game.
Yes it can be improved! But as it is I am content.
I have been playing ED whilst waiting for X4 3 to be released.
Now that is docking to the extreme, and to be honest along side trading, that is all there is in ED. Nothing between docks, like Nothing at all! Dot to Dot game ! Or should I say Dock Dot to Dot Dock game!
X4 has local fly around stuff, so is far more interesting as a pilot.

[snwboardn21]

Can't fathom the need (or beauty) of wasting so much time in station design.

Well I for one really appreciate the new station design. Gone are the days of producing excessive wares or being starved of a ware. Also tickles the puzzle-nerd in me, how to fit the modules efficiently.

I will 2nd this... And my computer doesn't come to a crawl when I enter my sector filled with 1 million KM of tubes everywhere. Out of everything station building is something they got right.

[surferx]

Besides, as I said before all of these previous X Universe games had the option of manual docking for those wanting to use it. You want to make the docking procedure more "reality like"? Fine with me but it's not everybody's preference or liking.

Agreed. You can dock or automate it. Your choice. So I'm trying to understand why you're complaining in the first post.

Station building? Real Life immersion (designing and installing factories in the print industry) has taught me that once you know what you want is a constant repetition, so I prefer to be done with it by hitting a button or two... but that is preference...

Fair enough. Automating this process, like docking, and making it optional surely would satisfy most gamers. Maybe have the option to hire a station builder. For me it will never become a repetition, I enjoy station design and the reward of seeing my finished creation.

[dtpsprt]

Agreed. You can dock or automate it. Your choice. So I'm trying to understand why you're complaining in the first post.

Fair enough. Automating this process, like docking, and making it optional surely would satisfy most gamers. Maybe have the option to hire a station builder. For me it will never become a repetition, I enjoy station design and the reward of seeing my finished creation.

My complain is that the M, L and XL ships don't automatically dock like the S ones. Which means that the harder to manouvre ones are harder to dock even with a docking computer,

[dtpsprt]

I will 2nd this... And my computer doesn't come to a crawl when I enter my sector filled with 1 million KM of tubes everywhere. Out of everything station building is something they got right.

I could show you how it is done in a neat way, having a 20 station complex with 3 tubes (!!!), but I don't think it would make a difference, no way to change the way stations are build I think.
To be fair, it is more straightforward than X Rebirth but who is comparing Rebirth with anything Egosoft?

[Buzz2005]

Agreed. You can dock or automate it. Your choice. So I'm trying to understand why you're complaining in the first post.

Fair enough. Automating this process, like docking, and making it optional surely would satisfy most gamers. Maybe have the option to hire a station builder. For me it will never become a repetition, I enjoy station design and the reward of seeing my finished creation.

My complain is that the M, L and XL ships don't automatically dock like the S ones. Which means that the harder to manouvre ones are harder to dock even with a docking computer,

Several times I have said that M ships dock like S ships with the docking computer, you didn't buy it or???

[Wehrwolf_10]

I'm running the Beta frantically, all said it's a good improvement on the 2.60 version.

Still, being the whiner I am I have some "complaints":

1. Why there is no more distance on the guidance point ? One of the most useful features gone.

2. In the lockbox missions, why should we click three times on the NPC to be done with it ?

3. The engine noise is WAY TOO MUCH , either reduce it yourselves or put a separate slider in the Sound Options.

4. OK the missions on v2.60 were paydirt but reducing them to 1/3 or 1/4 is too much. 1/2 would have been better. Not everyone is interested in mining you know, the restless souls that are all out for exploration don't have any other means to gain credits ....

5. If stations are to be built module by module (totally disagree) there should be a list of the necessary modules for each.

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

Please oh please Egosoft! Don't change anything!

[spankahontis]

OK... lock box mission in 2.60 135K, in Beta 32K need a calculator?

The Beta forum is in Dev Net link in the board index.

I've heard several People in this forum over the months complaining that it is too easy to make money in X4?? Personally I feel the balance is just right.
It's the case of you can't satisfy everyones tastes, either live with it or play some Star Sector? No manual docking for that one? You just fly up to a planet/station.

And your response to CBJ is coming off a little bit aggressive mate, I'd tone it down a touch.

Most missions are pointless, i'm not doing any mission for less than 100k even then probably still not.

Within a few missions you're repped up anyway, i still to station build missions 16 mill+ or with the beta patch you can do defence missions that give you a free magnetar miner with decent crew and shields and the missions are easy as hell like satellites, mines or transport missions.

Fleet missions are pointless they cost more money than you make, i used to do these for a free magnetar but even then still not really worth it especially now with these new missions, i also find it weird that other factions also offer magnetar missions rather than their own factions ship.

But they're currently working on missions so hopefully they'll improve a lot in the next update and be more fun and actually worth doing.

Yeah, I had hoped they would fix the Fleet Assembly Missions, not to mention building a Destoyer with no weapons, just an Engine, Capital shield, Booster and that's it.
Only for it to just sit there and do nothing, I would love to see proper Fleet Assembly Missions where you have to deck the ship out completely with Turrets and Shields and it's subordiate ships as well and once transferred?.. They would fly into Enemy Territory and fight the first enemy it sees.
Makes you feel that your contribution to the war is making a difference. Seeing the HOP steamroll everyone to being overwhelmed.

[dtpsprt]

Several times I have said that M ships dock like S ships with the docking computer, you didn't buy it or???

No they don't, they'll reach the all green stage and then you have to get them down on the surface (S key)
Some times you have to center them manually

[dtpsprt]

Please oh please Egosoft! Don't change anything!

Nothing is constant but change
(From the X Universe quotes)

Then again... changing for the sake of change never lead to anything good, except for accidents....

[chew-ie]

Several times I have said that M ships dock like S ships with the docking computer, you didn't buy it or???

No they don't, they'll reach the all green stage and then you have to get them down on the surface (S key)
Some times you have to center them manually

With the docking computer mk2 you can fly an M (or L or XL for that matter) from any angle and any speed towards the docking port. The computer will take over and there is zero manual input required. Just like it does for any S ship.

[dtpsprt]

The Beta forum is in Dev Net link in the board index.

Thanks for the info.

I've heard several People in this forum over the months complaining that it is too easy to make money in X4?? Personally I feel the balance is just right.
It's the case of you can't satisfy everyones tastes, either live with it or play some Star Sector? No manual docking for that one? You just fly up to a planet/station.

And your response to CBJ is coming off a little bit aggressive mate, I'd tone it down a touch.

I can surely live with the rewards, even though grouch a bit.
As for the aggression in my answer... though I can understand CBJ's frustration in repeating things to various people, I do believe that been trusted with "position" of sorts in a forum calls for the ultimate politeness, unless you handle a case of abuse (not my case I think).

Yeah, I had hoped they would fix the Fleet Assembly Missions, not to mention building a Destoyer with no weapons, just an Engine, Capital shield, Booster and that's it.
Only for it to just sit there and do nothing, I would love to see proper Fleet Assembly Missions where you have to deck the ship out completely with Turrets and Shields and it's subordiate ships as well and once transferred?.. They would fly into Enemy Territory and fight the first enemy it sees.
Makes you feel that your contribution to the war is making a difference. Seeing the HOP steamroll everyone to being overwhelmed.

Haven't seen these missions, I admit, since I let the factions fight their wars and profit out of it(!!!). This way their wars do not become savage(!!!). They'll keep it at that (I think) until you join a war effort.
On the other hand, Fleet Management needs a lot of improvement. If you want to see Egosoft getting this right, just get into X3TC!!! which brings us back to the old addage: If it works don't fix it

[Buzz2005]

Several times I have said that M ships dock like S ships with the docking computer, you didn't buy it or???

No they don't, they'll reach the all green stage and then you have to get them down on the surface (S key)
Some times you have to center them manually

thats not true, and please dont say no again
buy a docking computer for that M ship please and try it out