[MOD] Space Diversity and Justice

[graphicboy]

Thanks for putting this together. Trying it now.

[graphicboy]

Minor problem. When you create mod zips, don't zip from your root folder. Just zip the mod folder itself, such that when you "extract here" from extensions, you're done.

[Tenebris Messorem]

Minor problem. When you create mod zips, don't zip from your root folder. Just zip the mod folder itself, such that when you "extract here" from extensions, you're done.

I'm not sure, but by default root does't include /extensions. So I did it just in case.

And yes, about the post above. It would be great to transfer graphic effects from X Rebirth to X4. Seem to be they downgraded

[graphicboy]

I'm not sure, but by default root does't include /extensions. So I did it just in case.

**nod** - Almost all mods are zipped sub-extensions.

[Horux]

This mod is so clearly racist that it just blows my brain. It tries to hide it behind "kind" words, but it is still so obvious.

If the mod would called for example: "Space diversity rebalance" and than really would rebalance the diveresity of humans to 50:50. I probably would accept that this could be a immersion thing. But this is not even close the case. It has "diversity" in it, but instead of balancing or increasing the diversity, it plain decreases it by removing a human "faction" which is in real life since a very long time discriminated. And on top of it, it is has the word "justice" in it, as it need to be done just for justice. And with this the mod becomes a political statement, because justice for having too many black people?
Really how can someone call this a fix? I mean, this makes it even worse, because the solution for too many black people is, no black people.

Also this mod means that people rather live in a world with strange space aliens than with black humans.
Even if the author does not have any racism in his mind by creating this mod, it supports all racists by providing it.

Just a thought experiment, replace Asian, Caucasian and African by Moslems, Christians and Jews........ . I think than probably no one would discuss.

And yes if there would be a mod on this page advertised which removes all man or woman it would be sexist obiously.

Humans are not ships, stations or so on, where you can just say I do not want to see these or those for "esthetic" reasons.

[Warnoise]

This thread has been reported for "Racism". However, I do not see the racism here. If someone chooses to mod their own game or use a mod that removes NPC's from the game, that is their own choice. No racist terms are being used here from what I can see either. Hopefully another moderator can weigh in and give their opinion on this? I am not convinced there are any racist intentions here. What if someone only wanted male NPC's in their game, or Female Npc's in their game, or all Asian NPC's? Would those be considered racism or sexism issues? I will leave this to another moderator if they wish to wade into this.

Based Moderator. I like this mindset.

The title is clearly a joke. For humor reasons. If people don't like the joke then it's fine. But that still doesn't give them the right to censor it because it doesn't attack anyone or any specific group

[boogieman335]

When Rebirth came out one of the first mods I remember seeing was to remove all the old granny lookin women from the game. Nobody complained about that if I remember correctly.
personally I think we need to get rid of all the short lizardy things walkin round nakid. Put some clothes on that scaly rump.

[Horux]

Now it is a joke..... It does not get better.

[Baconnaise]

When Rebirth came out one of the first mods I remember seeing was to remove all the old granny lookin women from the game. Nobody complained about that if I remember correctly.
personally I think we need to get rid of all the short lizardy things walkin round nakid. Put some clothes on that scaly rump.

That's true. I had that mod installed. Models in XR were subpar aesthetically and needed some more work. Quite a few Yisha mods too if I recall that changed her outfit. X4 is a touch better than vanilla XR. The black argons have horrible models/hair. It's almost comical. I'll have to look around at the mods some more. Love to see more options with the character models in this game.

[mr.WHO]

Comparing to XR NPCs even most ugly (model wise, face wise and fashion wise) X4 NPC model looks amazing.

I take X4 hobos over XR space grannies with no hesitation.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

So if I duplicate this mod, and call it, Space Diversity - Black Justice and have it remove all the white people is that going to fix the haters issues? I mean then it really is diverse because it ain't just the blacks getting hated on.

[mr.WHO]

I don't find anything wrong with it - that is the point of mods - to change the game to your liking.

I think it was Egosoft X2 game that was among the first which introduced me to beautiful world of modding - these days if game doesn't have mod support then it must be really good to grab my attention.
You don't like A? you think B is too OP - mod the s*** to hearth content.

If you would want to have X4:Black Panther edition, then by all means mod it and share it.

[Horux]

I don't find anything wrong with it - that is the point of mods - to change the game to your liking.

I think it was Egosoft X2 game that was among the first which introduced me to beautiful world of modding - these days if game doesn't have mod support then it must be really good to grab my attention.
You don't like A? you think B is too OP - mod the s*** to hearth content.

If you would want to have X4:Black Panther edition, then by all means mod it and share it.

This is not about modding, there are thinks which are just wrong. If this mod would be promoted on any unofficial site, it still would be wrong, but here on an official site, it is wrong times three.

I told my colleagues about this mod to get some other impressions. Everyone just couldn't believe this plain racism.

With your argument I could provide any mod regardless of it's morality. And probably you can find anything in the internet. But not everything should be promoted on an official site.

[mr.WHO]

In FPS you literally shoot people, ofter with very disturbing detail.
In space strategies, like Stellaris you can perform galaxy wide genocide.
You can steal and murder in GTA...yet you have problem with racism in X4 mod?
You have problem with someone discriminating black or white, yet you're perfectly fine when someone say to murder innocent Borons? or the crew of random freighter?
Why one imaginary people (YES imaginary! Argons, no matter if black or white are imaginary, just like humans in GTA) are better than the other?

If you can't bear such "horror" them maybe it's time to change the hobby, because you're not ready to face this evil world.

[Horux]

In FPS you literally shoot people, ofter with very disturbing detail.
You can steal and murder in GTA...yet you have problem with racism in X4 mod?

Stealing and racism is not really comparable. Yes you can murder in GTA and a hardcore racist can really live his dreams there, but the game does not openly promote to kill just black people.
Regarding the open killing in almost all FPS and also GTA. I would gess, that >99% of all humans are not really want to go out and kill people like in these games. If it would be the case, and humans really would like to kill other humans all the day, than these games shouldn't defenitly also be no more promoted.

Why one imaginary people (YES imaginary! Argons, no matter if black or white are imaginary, just like humans in GTA) are better than the other?

They are not better, and if you want to compare these two imaginary people than we would need to compare a "Remove all black NPC from GTA" mod. And yes this would also in GTA a racism mod. So no neither is better. Both get killed by the player as he wishes, without a real punishment.

You have problem with someone discriminating black or white, yet you're perfectly fine when someone say to murder innocent Borons? or the crew of random freighter?

Ehm, yes. As long as Borons are not real Aliens we met. When this ever change when need to start to think different there.
Boarding is like the other killing mentioned above.

In space strategies, like Stellaris you can perform galaxy wide genocide.

I thought about this while I wrote the last post. Strategy games are all very abstract. It is not really that they implement a video on how the genozid will be done.
But if we ever meet other sentient races in the universe, than all this will change. Because I bet that a faction of all humans will become xenopob, and in my opinion we would need to prevent this faction to become the leading faction of us.

If you can't bear such "horror" them maybe it's time to change the hobby, because you're not ready to face this evil world.

This is nonsense. I know this evil world and that is why I does not want, that a racis mod is promoted on an official game site.
Racism is a real society problem which always leeds to voilence and hate against other humans and even bigger ugly behavior as history shows us. And in contrary to randomly kill unknown people which as I said >99% of all humans (1% of all is still a big number) do not want to do, racism is not a 1% problem. It is in all of us, luckyly the most of us do not live it. But definitly a number of 20-30% has the potential to live it out and nowadays it is again more popular. And to prevent these really ugly side of us, we need to stop the support where we can.

Long stuff short:
Yes games allow us make things which we would not do in real life. But there are some red lines in moral games which should not passed, because they can really have influence to real life. One of them is racism, others are rape or degrading mass murder to what humans are able. Even GTA does has its limits, what they are openly support. I do not know a game, that is open racist.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

You know those warnings people give others about lawsuits over stupid mistakes and silly things, that are of a difference of opinion yet arguable in court, for I have no care at all what the name of the mod is as it is a mod, not a legit person trying to push racism into X4 that is the issue others are not understanding here, yes the title can come off as racist I would concur on that statement when tied directly to the goal of removal of people of colour but the intention is not pure racism.

The fact it is not of racist intent becomes clear when reading all that is going on here and how the OP responded, that this was not the intent but simply misrepresentation in the title which is causing a stir now back to the lawsuit thing I started off with, titles like these get tied to something controversial talked about without proper context... AND I STRESS PROPER CONTEXT!!! people get in trouble very quickly and the situations can spiral out of control like a storm and then their voice is no longer heard over the drowning droves of uproaring people who won't even listen to what is said any longer as they have already labelled and get offended and all it takes is an innocent flaw in the phrasing of a title with misunderstanding of context and people are liable and leave with damaged reputations and possibly the situation affects their personal lives.

To reiterate on my view I don't believe this mod is racist but the title and the context is a hot spot for people who will seek anything to up-roar over and if it suits their agenda and that is where this thread has gone wrong IMO, no it is not a bad racist person and even it was where is the proof of this. this is simply a misunderstanding over the phrase used to describe the title. Honestly, I think the only thing which needs to happen here is everyone just stops arguing, take as the joke that it now is, make an amend to the title by removing the Justice part just for peace of mind or keep it and hold ground, but no more arguing over it, if this keeps going things will start getting personal and then the entire post is going to get closed and deleted.

A moderator as already decided that this is not racist and if anyone has a problem with that judgement I suggest they take it up with them directly over debating it over and over here, it started out as a fun little laugh, I partook in that not going to lie, but I can see this getting out hand at some point now that someone on the forums is going around talking to other people about the post in a negative light and all it can take is one person deciding to look it up and posting a Reddit thread then all amounts of hate is going to come from it, freedom of speech is one thing can't take that away from anyone but this is a mod thread, settle the differences you both know each other stand on this name and context just let it be already

I think a moderator should step in again and put an end to this whole debate once more.

[Horux]

Stuff

The discussion is not about the title, it is about the content. The title makes this only worse.

I never noticed, that there are more black people than white, because it is just the same for me. When the thread in the X4 main forum was opened, the OP linked some screenshots from other forums, where people where ranting about too many black NPC. I was just shocked about it.

So this mod wants to fix a "unbalance" in the game. Unfortunately this is first of all not a gameplay balance but a balance about humans with different skin colour and hair styles. So just due to this fact it should be handled carefully. What does the mod? It literally removes all black NPC from the game, because they are disturbing the immersion. So if people can only immerse in a game if there are not too many black people, than this is the first sign of racism. So the intention of the mod is, regardless the name, to remove immersion disturbing black NPC.
And as I said in my first post here. If people can better live with "ugly" Aliens (I like the designs in general), than with black humans, than this is disturbing for me. And a very clear sign for racism.
This is no fix, this is a black NPC removing mod.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Stuff

The discussion is not about the title, it is about the content. The title makes this only worse.

I never noticed, that there are more black people than white, because it is just the same for me. When the thread in the X4 main forum was opened, the OP linked some screenshots from other forums, where people where ranting about too many black NPC. I was just shocked about it.

So this mod wants to fix a "unbalance" in the game. Unfortunately this is first of all not a gameplay balance but a balance about humans with different skin colour and hair styles. So just due to this fact it should be handled carefully. What does the mod? It literally removes all black NPC from the game, because they are disturbing the immersion. So if people can only immerse in a game if there are not too many black people, than this is the first sign of racism. So the intention of the mod is, regardless the name, to remove immersion disturbing black NPC.
And as I said in my first post here. If people can better live with "ugly" Aliens (I like the designs in general), than with black humans, than this is disturbing for me. And a very clear sign for racism.
This is no fix, this is a black NPC removing mod.

well, that still does not make the mod or the author racist.
the people who want it are racist, also don't see any imbalance to be had here, I mean I don't go around counting how many of one color of people are on the station I don't really care and tbh it is RNG anyway so if anything the game code is racist.

[BrummBear02]

At first the racism discussion was kind of justified because I see how the naming might be an issue. Then it became hilarious and now it turned to sad. This is why we can't have nice things. Stop being an over sensitive sissy and stop mimicking the sjw. And the others maybe stop answering to those.

This you ask me, This mod is pointless. But whatever floats your boat mate.

[mr.WHO]

Stealing and racism is not really comparable. Yes you can murder in GTA and a hardcore racist can really live his dreams there, but the game does not openly promote to kill just black people.

Sorry, but lost me at very first sentence when you said racism is more serious than stealing or murder.
There is really no point to discuss this any further, because our moral standards are clearly different.