I've Decided not to buy this game (aka: Cannot buy ships)

[ei8htx]

I've Decided not to buy this game.

Cool thanks bye

[pvarn]

I have been using my roommates computer to play this game.

It was great until the updates came out. We started over and
now can't buy ships anywhere.

What's the point of a game when you can't get through the first
mission because there are no spaceships available in a spaceship
game?

Sorry. I've had enough. Money stays in my pocket until this is
fixed.

Better to not buy a game you don't like and complain forever. I personally like the game and problems I experience either have solutions or there will be in the future. Until then I can still have fun.
-Pv-

[Buzz2005]

does nobody here know about the ALI wharf, always ready to build you trade ships???

started the game 3 times, ALI Wharf always full of resources
Always get 5 Hermes freighters and put them in any sector with SY and Wharfs
Wares to trade engine and hull parts, max sell 0, max buy full
Search for these factories then I hack the trade terminal, I mean talk about profits
Maybe fill those factories with graphene and metals

ships get built etc....

I dont think that all of your games are that different that the above don't work

[mr.WHO]

Nobody:


OP: Beraking News! Person who don't like the product didn't buy it. Absolute Mad Lad!

[zazie]

I am not taking the position of the OP, but I see some fundamental aspects in this discussion to be taken seriously:
We have a thread of a Beginner who has not found his way into the fascinating worlds of the X-games. He explains why (yes, probably not in the best possible way). And the community is critizising or writing sarcastic comments without considering that SpocksBrain's difficulties are caused by one of the fundamentals of the X-games: You don't get an introduction into the game (we all know that the tutorials are a joke).

Yes, we know the "steep learning curve". But how did we get those info? By our own, frustrating experience. And by asking questions in these forums. And by the answers given by friendly users. Go and check your first posts you ever made. Not everybody is born as a 'stable genius'

So instead of writing posts with the subtext 'you are so dumb not to consider bringin'in the needed ressources by your own freighter' I think it would have been better to guide SpocksBrain in a friendly way to those helping threads made for beginners!

@SpocksBrain: I think you should reconsider your decision. All X-games are awesome. Take your first experiences as experiments. You have learned now how to solve one of the first challenges in the game. Start a new game - and do better. Oh yes, it could not be the last time you must start again. But every time you will do better. You will feel the satisfaction e.g. when you fly above your first station or complex. It is not done in an hour though.

[surferx]

does nobody here know about the ALI wharf, always ready to build you trade ships???

started the game 3 times, ALI Wharf always full of resources
Always get 5 Hermes freighters and put them in any sector with SY and Wharfs
Wares to trade engine and hull parts, max sell 0, max buy full
Search for these factories then I hack the trade terminal, I mean talk about profits
Maybe fill those factories with graphene and metals

ships get built etc....

I dont think that all of your games are that different that the above don't work

No they don't want to be bothered to go out and explore, or trade. They want to cruise up to the station, buy a bigger ship (probably using scripted in credits) and fly away.. then wonder why they are bored after a few weeks of play. The "I WANT IT NOW!!" player surfaces again.

[AleksMain]

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No they don't want to be bothered to go out and explore, or trade. They want to cruise up to the station, buy a bigger ship (probably using scripted in credits) and fly away.. then wonder why they are bored after a few weeks of play. The "I WANT IT NOW!!" player surfaces again.

"Shipyards are gigantic spacebourne installations that specialize in the manufacture of spaceships and space stations."

In the X3 games shipyards proposed any quantities of necessary for player ships.

Starting from X:Rebirth up to X4 shipyards have not ships ... they are lone factories, which must be filled by materials to produce ships.


Here I see conflict of demand and proposition:
player want to buy ship, but can't do it in the X4:Foundations.

In any case OP can play X4 and can buy X4 if he needs it.

[darrund]

Jesus people.
Whatever happened to the good nature of this forum.
I have never seen such a sarcastic and unfriendly attitude in years.
Yes there have been some disputes here and there BUT for the most part people in this forum have been helpful and willing to actually contribute to everyone's gameplay regardless of anything.
What has happened here? Has everyone forgot what it was like in all previous games?
yes X games have a steep learning curve and at some point most of us needed help to progress.
people with less knowledge of the X universe that have just started their venture with X4 must be discouraged and get dismissed?Because most of us "know it all" and there is no room for new players unless they agree to whatever we think as true?
Honestly I don't like what is going on here.Never seen this kind of hostile reaction either.
Some people just need to reconsider their attitude.

[Vandragorax]

Jesus people.
Whatever happened to the good nature of this forum.
I have never seen such a sarcastic and unfriendly attitude in years.
Yes there have been some disputes here and there BUT for the most part people in this forum have been helpful and willing to actually contribute to everyone's gameplay regardless of anything.
What has happened here? Has everyone forgot what it was like in all previous games?
yes X games have a steep learning curve and at some point most of us needed help to progress.
people with less knowledge of the X universe that have just started their venture with X4 must be discouraged and get dismissed?Because most of us "know it all" and there is no room for new players unless they agree to whatever we think as true?
Honestly I don't like what is going on here.Never seen this kind of hostile reaction either.
Some people just need to reconsider their attitude.

Maybe because the OP came in with a hostile thread name "I've decided not to buy this game" and an entitled post attempting to hold the entire dev team to ransom over one issue "sorry my money stays in my wallet until this is fixed". Not a great approach.

That said, I understand the frustration and I believe it's ridiculous that the universe can start in such a state that very basic demands are not met. Such an economy in real life would never happen because it must be driven on supply and demand. A Shipyard would never be built somewhere if there are not anywhere near enough resources to supply it, they'd better build the supply chain first. Was it such a great idea for Egosoft to try making a "real" economy, or should they have stuck to a subtle amount of 'fakery'?

This has been one of the most frustrating parts of the game for me as well, and I'm a veteran X player who knows what I'm doing. X4 for me has so far been lacklustre compared to Rebirth, and that's saying something. IDK what it is but the game just feels messy and unappealing, from artistic design of ships and such, down to the generic feeling of every sector and race. I can't believe that where economy and war has been so highly pushed here, that we can't even see an overview of races influence in space on the map, or show different races in different colours when in sector view, or even have one UI screen to manage our diplomacy and war efforts from.

There are too many fundamental issues in this release of the game and I am not surprised at all that new players stop at the first hurdle. Sure there are good aspects, the modular station building is fantastic, but the same approach doesn't seem to work well for ships from a design/aesthetic point of view.

[ei8htx]

Jesus people.
Whatever happened to the good nature of this forum.
I have never seen such a sarcastic and unfriendly attitude in years.
Yes there have been some disputes here and there BUT for the most part people in this forum have been helpful and willing to actually contribute to everyone's gameplay regardless of anything.
What has happened here? Has everyone forgot what it was like in all previous games?
yes X games have a steep learning curve and at some point most of us needed help to progress.
people with less knowledge of the X universe that have just started their venture with X4 must be discouraged and get dismissed?Because most of us "know it all" and there is no room for new players unless they agree to whatever we think as true?
Honestly I don't like what is going on here.Never seen this kind of hostile reaction either.
Some people just need to reconsider their attitude.

Maybe because the OP came in with a hostile thread name "I've decided not to buy this game" and an entitled post attempting to hold the entire dev team to ransom over one issue "sorry my money stays in my wallet until this is fixed". Not a great approach.

That said, I understand the frustration and I believe it's ridiculous that the universe can start in such a state that very basic demands are not met. Such an economy in real life would never happen because it must be driven on supply and demand. A Shipyard would never be built somewhere if there are not anywhere near enough resources to supply it, they'd better build the supply chain first. Was it such a great idea for Egosoft to try making a "real" economy, or should they have stuck to a subtle amount of 'fakery'?

This has been one of the most frustrating parts of the game for me as well, and I'm a veteran X player who knows what I'm doing. X4 for me has so far been lacklustre compared to Rebirth, and that's saying something. IDK what it is but the game just feels messy and unappealing, from artistic design of ships and such, down to the generic feeling of every sector and race. I can't believe that where economy and war has been so highly pushed here, that we can't even see an overview of races influence in space on the map, or show different races in different colours when in sector view, or even have one UI screen to manage our diplomacy and war efforts from.

There are too many fundamental issues in this release of the game and I am not surprised at all that new players stop at the first hurdle. Sure there are good aspects, the modular station building is fantastic, but the same approach doesn't seem to work well for ships from a design/aesthetic point of view.

Exactly.

It's a dick move to register for a forum for a game you don't own, just to say you aren't gonna buy it and piss on everyone's parade.

We've all dealt with issues, we've all been frustrated (I didn't play for weeks until missiles had hitboxes). ES is working on it. I'm sure it'll surpass X3 in time and my work productivity will suffer accordingly.

[Loneshade]

However it is a bit like going out and buying milk for Walmart because they ran out.

Exactly. An enormous faction with needed resources within a jump or two shouldn't have any issue producing stuff.
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@egosoft please add a dozzen extra smart chip factories to new game starts so everyone is happy and this discussions can be put to a rest for good :/

I liked the shortage myself - but once in game and with time, the economy tends to fix itself anyway.
Nothing wrong with the game as such.

[SpocksBrain]

The title of my post may have been inflammatory. If you took offence,
my apologies.

My buddy and I will run a test and then see what happens. We will
delete the entire game and save files. We will then reinstall the first
X4 v1.00. This version had no problems with missing components.
We will build lots of ships and gather lots of cash and then reinstall
v1.3 to v2.2. Then if that pesky "Sorry we're useless at running a
factory, it must be Brexit." come up again. Then we don't care,
because we already have ships.

If this works I will buy the game.

[lordmuck]

Ok, so you've got people telling you to supply the needed parts to the wharf. All well and good. How many engine parts can you haul in an Elite? 13? That's going to take a long, long time to supply those parts. That's if you can even find an engine part factory. There's suppose to be at least one of every type of factory in each play through.

So, spend several hours exploring the sectors in your lone ship. You finally find the engine part factory in Ianamus Zura VII. Well, there you go. That's not too far from a Teledi wharf. Now, haul your 13 parts at a time to the wharf for several hours and hope they eventually start building a ship for you.

Wait, there are already 15 in the queue waiting to be built. So, now you're supplying parts for all those ships to be built before yours gets started. So, more hours hauling parts. You'll get your ship, eventually. Patience is a virtue, my friend.

Good luck.

ALI wharf is usually stocked fully. Buy a s / m trader / miner from there

[radcapricorn]

Ok, so you've got people telling you to supply the needed parts to the wharf. All well and good. How many engine parts can you haul in an Elite? 13?.. Now, haul your 13 parts at a time to the wharf for several hours and hope they eventually start building a ship for you...

Good luck.

ALI wharf is usually stocked fully. Buy a s / m trader / miner from there

The universe is stocked fully. Acquire any ship from there

[Sgt Hawker]

Wow, I thought for a while I was the only one that did not have problems with buying ships. I think the longest I have waited for a ship to be built was buying a ship at the Teladi shipyard and I waited like 2 minutes or so.

Is the game your buddy have modded? This can fix some issues. Are you wanting to just jump in and fight? Well you may need to go to another sector for that and upgrade your starter ship or you will get whipped. Did you guys do the starter mission? Are you using a controller, Joystick or keyboard? The game play with an X52 and the game play with a keyboard are different imho. I use my X52 and dog fight and have lots of fun. Of course I have a better fighter then the Elite.

The fun of this game for me is I do not have to do anything I do not want to do. If I don't want to do the starter mission I don't. If I want to be a trader and that is it, done. This is not a game that will hold your hand though and I will give you that. But once you learn how to fly and fight or get into mining, trading, empire building, you won't find another game out there that can match X-series.

[Sir Warwick]

The time it takes to buy a ship can vary a lot between ship yards and obviously the size/complexity of the ship(s) in question. As frequently stated, the problem is the ship yard not having the required resources. If you are first in the build queue, then it can be worth attempting to get the resources yourself and trade with the shipyard, otherwise you will be better off going elsewhere with the amount of clicking and messing around currently required to setup the trades (due to the uselessly tiny quantities of resources/products that trade ships appear to be able to carry and fiddly menus).

On one hand this tends to be an early game issue, one the other it tends to only be an issue if trying to buy an expensive ship very early, such as may be the case if you cheating yourself a large amount of credits. Most people probably steal or find their first few ships and by the time they are purchasing, then probably have the means to acquire and trade resources and this can be helped as the economy will have developed more though the factions developing stations to satisfy demand.

I think the economy is deliberately starved (near empty) at the start to avoid the new player having to face down lots of powerful ships while still stuck in a fragile tin can. Not all shipyards have such supply issues. Argon prime generally seems to be able to supply a few ships without issue and this also seems to be generally the case with shipyards selling vanguard variants. However those selling sentinel variants appear to be in more resource starved economies (or just lack of friends and hence lack of foreign trade) and seem to struggle a lot at the start to produce ships. I get the impression some factions are more agressively expansionist than others and maybe the initial resource stavation is a way to balance them at the start.

[Olfrygt]

Dunno why the guy get's only hate. After my 270h save is nearly dead (because nothing is happen and most station storages are full).

I started a new game. Teladi and wanna buy only Teladi ships and stations, but now 4h later i have 6millions and can't buy any new ship. Because all 4 Teladi shipyards/warfs have way to less hullparty and engineparts (5000+).

So i decided to give it another try- Paranid this time same thing happens can't buy ships.

[kyrah]

Build that factories?

[radcapricorn]

You know, since the date this thread was created, I've started two new games, and in both I've been able to buy ships. In one, Argon/ANT stocked their wharfs rather quickly, and in the other, the ALI wharf was supplied by the time I got to it. What am I doing wrong?

[pref]

You know, since the date this thread was created, I've started two new games, and in both I've been able to buy ships. In one, Argon/ANT stocked their wharfs rather quickly, and in the other, the ALI wharf was supplied by the time I got to it. What am I doing wrong?

Maybe his friend is cut off from updates somehow