THIS HAS BOTHERED ME SINCE X3ish. (not politically correct, this thread)

[Alci]

in the case of a person who was introduced to me as a trader (humble merchant start), you would think they would know a few sectors by now.

well, a little more clever question would actually be "where can I get a map of known universe" instead of "I should know few sectors" I mean even old google can give you a map of the entire X universe, so..

But it's actually good. If the game evoke such existentialist questions it's that good it hits uncanny valley

[luci]

You are talking about yourself, aren't you?

Awwwwww. Thank you!

[Wou]

I do have to agree with some of the gripes here.
I mean sure, unknown sectors, fringes, border areas, Xenon and Khaak space and so on. But shouldn't a "known universe" be, well, more or less known?

Just scouting the sectors once with a search pattern (or explore option when it starts to work) isn't that bad. But having to drop a satellite at a nearly single one station gets old pretty quick and also puts a drain on the budget.
And at least with exploration you can queue it ahead for the whole area, not do one thing at a time.

[Baldamundo]

Nothing weird about it - obviously the player character is an American.

[Kadatherion]

Nothing weird about it - obviously the player character is an American.

Thread won.
That's all folks.

[RefocusedLight]

no you are not merely an ordinary sunshine freighter illuminator-licker. on the top of that you're also the profoundly repellent star of trid channel Stargate.cx who got dug up and dragged into publicity 1.5 years ago - so you're utterly ostracised and there is no way to ask others for basic knowledge you lack due to mental deficiency - so, forget maps, you are utterly out of touch with detail such as what year is it and what is the political entity encompassing the territory you live and the approx direction your government resides in. Every time you look in hyperweb encyclopedia you find blank pages, you're disconnected, and your personal commslink is blacklisted so there is no way to even file a complaint. Xenon don't want you. Khaaak maybe would but you are adamant of not joining them because you don't want diabetes and cannot imagine living only on Toblerone and the green Quality Street triangles.

[RodentofDoom]

Your character has been living on a planet.

I've spent my whole life living on a planet too
But I know where the major planets can be found
Where the major moons & Asteroids are
What I don't know is what's going off at other stars.
But even that is changing over time as observational instruments become more efficient

new ship, no nav data

Again this is an extremely weak reason.
The ships have Navigation Computers
They should have local positional data as a minimum.


There's forced exploration for maintaining game-lore
And then there's forced exploration for the sake of it.
If we look at the game-lore aspect of exploration then it's basically "The gates don't go where they used to, the old maps are useless."

What we have to put up with though is the second type of exploration.
It's a space faring civilisation that survived the gate shutdown and maintained it's ability to move between celestial objects
This would mean that local space navigational data is maintained and remains current
Knowing NOTHING about the system you start in makes no sense at all.

So when did the Gate Network partially come back online
The day before we start playing as Space Pilots ??

[Revolution Rising]

Your character has been living on a planet.

a valiant effort, but it doesn't jive with all the game start descriptions thus far.

If even if did jive with the description - what is this a planet of know nothings? Don't they have the internet? Don't they read up on what's in space or something? But you wanted to go live in space? Why? You don't know anything about it right?

[luci]

Your character has been living on a planet.

a valiant effort, but it doesn't jive with all the game start descriptions thus far.

If even if did jive with the description - what is this a planet of know nothings? Don't they have the internet? Don't they read up on what's in space or something? But you wanted to go live in space? Why? You don't know anything about it right?

You mean the intergalacticnet.
No, they don't have that. It's a subscription based service and At&Teladi don't take no shiddy BitCoin. They want creditssssssss!

[PlayerWon]

If I understand your rant correctly, you want to have a sector or two without fog of war for whichever relevant starting point you chose? If so, sure, sounds fair to me.

No idea why you're trying to shoehorn the youtube philosophers you've been binge watching into that particular topic though.

thats pretty much the gist of it, yeah.

just out of genuine curiosity, what youtuber am i sposed to have binge watched?

lol about the only thing i watch on youtube is "how to play" guitar videos. and those are rare.

edit: i wasnt aware that i was trying to shoehorn anyone in... just trying to ask a question in an amusing way. if you knew me irl, you would get it fast. thats just my personality.

Sorry bud, I mistook you for a very different type of person

And it's especially weird for The Explorer start, since you can't very well be an explorer who doesn't know where anything is!

no worries man. i get that the gates have been shuffled too, but still... one sector at least should be known at the start... 50% even... or how about the gamestart where you have a station already, but still need to scan the various parts? its moms station, so i assume some growing up happened there...

[PlayerWon]

On one hand I do agree. You would think that your ship's navigation computer would have a standard map (similar to foldable roadmaps can buy) of inhabited sectors. But that does take away from the exploration aspect. It is a tossup on game design. Personally I would love having at least the sector locations known, but not the contents. Treat the sectors like towns, you know where they are, but not what they have.

and id be happy if i only started with the one sector mapped...

[PlayerWon]

in the case of a person who was introduced to me as a trader (humble merchant start), you would think they would know a few sectors by now.

well, a little more clever question would actually be "where can I get a map of known universe" instead of "I should know few sectors" I mean even old google can give you a map of the entire X universe, so..

But it's actually good. If the game evoke such existentialist questions it's that good it hits uncanny valley

yeah, there where cartographers in previous titles that would sell unknown station locations...

i did mention that on the first page its strange nobody seems to be selling maps, but i havent really looked for one yet either.

[PlayerWon]

I do have to agree with some of the gripes here.
I mean sure, unknown sectors, fringes, border areas, Xenon and Khaak space and so on. But shouldn't a "known universe" be, well, more or less known?

Just scouting the sectors once with a search pattern (or explore option when it starts to work) isn't that bad. But having to drop a satellite at a nearly single one station gets old pretty quick and also puts a drain on the budget.
And at least with exploration you can queue it ahead for the whole area, not do one thing at a time.

and none of that compares to the tedium of repeatedly scanning ever. single. part. of. a. station.

on about the 5th gamestart, i could do it while i slept.

[PlayerWon]

Nothing weird about it - obviously the player character is an American.

ah ok. nevermind then.

thats probably why everyone speaks american then.

[PlayerWon]

no you are not merely an ordinary sunshine freighter illuminator-licker. on the top of that you're also the profoundly repellent star of trid channel Stargate.cx who got dug up and dragged into publicity 1.5 years ago - so you're utterly ostracised and there is no way to ask others for basic knowledge you lack due to mental deficiency - so, forget maps, you are utterly out of touch with detail such as what year is it and what is the political entity encompassing the territory you live and the approx direction your government resides in. Every time you look in hyperweb encyclopedia you find blank pages, you're disconnected, and your personal commslink is blacklisted so there is no way to even file a complaint. Xenon don't want you. Khaaak maybe would but you are adamant of not joining them because you don't want diabetes and cannot imagine living only on Toblerone and the green Quality Street triangles.

the green ones are the worst.

[PlayerWon]

Your character has been living on a planet.

I've spent my whole life living on a planet too
But I know where the major planets can be found
Where the major moons & Asteroids are
What I don't know is what's going off at other stars.
But even that is changing over time as observational instruments become more efficient

new ship, no nav data

Again this is an extremely weak reason.
The ships have Navigation Computers
They should have local positional data as a minimum.


There's forced exploration for maintaining game-lore
And then there's forced exploration for the sake of it.
If we look at the game-lore aspect of exploration then it's basically "The gates don't go where they used to, the old maps are useless."

What we have to put up with though is the second type of exploration.
It's a space faring civilisation that survived the gate shutdown and maintained it's ability to move between celestial objects
This would mean that local space navigational data is maintained and remains current
Knowing NOTHING about the system you start in makes no sense at all.

So when did the Gate Network partially come back online
The day before we start playing as Space Pilots ??

im beginning to suspect all life snapped in to existence moments before the gates came back online, complete with false memories. . .

i smell conspiracy.

actually, its my armpits. going to take a shower.

[PlayerWon]

a valiant effort, but it doesn't jive with all the game start descriptions thus far.

If even if did jive with the description - what is this a planet of know nothings? Don't they have the internet? Don't they read up on what's in space or something? But you wanted to go live in space? Why? You don't know anything about it right?

You mean the intergalacticnet.
No, they don't have that. It's a subscription based service and At&Teladi don't take no shiddy BitCoin. They want creditssssssss!

then they should sell me some mapsssssss