Selling security systems?

[Leraje]

sorry for the confusion!

there will be a change coming soon that will make sure item traders on pirate stations take all those illegal wares off your hands.

the chance for black marketeers wanting to buy a specific illegal ware will also be significantly increased.

planned for patch 1.30 at the moment

Seems like it's not in 1.3 beta despite what the notes say. BM traders and the Free Port still refuse to buy them

[Ranix]

sorry for the confusion!

there will be a change coming soon that will make sure item traders on pirate stations take all those illegal wares off your hands.

the chance for black marketeers wanting to buy a specific illegal ware will also be significantly increased.

planned for patch 1.30 at the moment

Howdy Markus,

I apologize for pointing it out, but

this did not happen

[Black82]

sorry for the confusion!

there will be a change coming soon that will make sure item traders on pirate stations take all those illegal wares off your hands.

the chance for black marketeers wanting to buy a specific illegal ware will also be significantly increased.

planned for patch 1.30 at the moment

I hope this find its way to 1.30. Beacause for now in 1.30 there is still no possibility to sell our illegal stuff, the dealers dont want to buy^^

[Markus]

I've loaded a 1.21 save in 1.3 beta and made the trip to the HAT Free Port in Silent Witness XI just now.

the selection of illegal wares can be seen in the screenshot below.

if this doesn't work for you
- please make sure you are running 1.3 beta.
- make sure you are on a pirate station! (HAT / SCA)
- if you saved near the trader, leave the area and come back, that should update the item list - undock and fly a good distance away

- if still not working, please send me a link to a savegame so we can investigate

Items the Trader might take of you hands, but has no stock himself, appear only in the list if you have some in your possession.

The following wares can only be bought from pirate traders at the moment:

Security Bypass System
Security Description System
Security Slicer

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edit: updated with new information

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

Ver: 1.30 beta 1 (323831)

Game start in 1.21, IIRC, and continued into v1.30 b1.

Tests with a Trader on the HAT Freeport:
- I can buy illegal "Crafting Items" (e.g. AGI stuff).
- I can buy illegal "General Items" (Security Bypass System and Security Decryption System).

- I can sell my illegal "Crafting Items".
- I cannot sell my illegal "General Items"

The ability to sell my General Items (via triangle or slider) is greyed out in the GUI. The inconsistency suggests a possible bug.

Save sent to Markus in case of use.

[Leraje]

The following wares can only be sold to pirate traders if you have very high reputation with them:

Security Bypass System
Security Description System
Security Slicer

What is the reasoning behind gating sale of these items behind the reputation? Given the distinct lack of player storage you are currently forced to either constantly fly around with pockets full of contraband and risk police scan of literally dump millions out of airlock. Not a very good design imo.

Edit: What is the numeric value of the "very high reputation"?

[Markus]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

you can find hackable panels on stations, and get different hack options

- disable turrets
- stop production
- get permanent discounts
- disable repair on a station
- make station storage drop a percentage of its wares
...

[Hardie]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

you can find hackable panels on stations, and get different hack options

- disable turrets
- stop production
- get permanent discounts
- disable repair on a station
- make station storage drop a percentage of its wares
...

there go my 7 mio credits worth of Security Description System. Could you pls remove the credit amount if its not intended to be sold? This would make it less misleading.

[Leraje]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

you can find hackable panels on stations, and get different hack options

- disable turrets
- stop production
- get permanent discounts
- disable repair on a station
- make station storage drop a percentage of its wares
...

Sorry, but I'm not convinced. This is a sandbox game, and as such players should be allowed to decide what to do with the items in question - sell them or use them - without this sort of heavy-handed "encouragement". Sometimes an upfront influx of cash by far outweighs some of the questionable benefits of hacking - allow me to be a judge of what is good for me in MY play-through. Hopefully there is or will be a mod to correct this matter and bring security systems back in line with how other commodities are treated.

[Konradius]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

you can find hackable panels on stations, and get different hack options

- disable turrets
- stop production
- get permanent discounts
- disable repair on a station
- make station storage drop a percentage of its wares
...

there go my 7 mio credits worth of Security Description System. Could you pls remove the credit amount if its not intended to be sold? This would make it less misleading.

It is intended to be bought, so it needs that value.
Anyway, my main pet peeve is that this inventory is always only on the player and teleports with him.
Including that when you order a ship you're not piloting to pick up a canister you won't get it, even when on the same ship but not the pilots seat.
I'd love to see a ship/station stash for this stuff so if my miner happens to stumble on eggs they can pick them up. (Or not if you're worried about security scans!)

[Silveressa]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

While I understand the spirit of the concept, I really don't appreciate that kind of heavy handed restrictions on gameplay. Sometimes credits are more useful than potential benefits, and other times I just want to dump the illegal goods for a profit before doing an extended visit to a lawful sector rather than hassle with security scans my entire trip.

At the very least give us some kind of storage locker at pirate stations next to the crafting bench where we can stash our illegal goods if we can't sell them, rather than forcing us to chuck them out the airlock or hassle with avoiding sec patrols while doing guild missions.

[101khazaddum]

I have to also state in my game I should decide to sell keep or throw out. Plz make it so we can sell all items we have illegally obtained or not. Currently sitting on £30mil.

[vukica]

I updated my post after getting new information.

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

you can find hackable panels on stations, and get different hack options

- disable turrets
- stop production
- get permanent discounts
- disable repair on a station
- make station storage drop a percentage of its wares
...

I do not want to use them. I want to sell them. I'm a dealer ffs.
What happened with freedom of choice in this game?

[Rincewind79]

In twenty hours, I've never encountered a situation to use these items. Maybe you should explain better how that works? I read something about "data vaults". Never seen one of those too.

EDIT: found the data vault, but got more items I can not sell.

[flux.faraday]

I'd like to sell them, but I'd be happy to use them if their use can be licensed in my chosen faction(s). Slicers and such are useful materials of war and members of a war effort should not be harassed for using or possessing them. Thanks for listening.

[Silveressa]

Well there's mod out now that allows us to sell the blackmarket goods, so problem solved?
https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/71

[Leraje]

Thank you for sharing the link.

[Koritnaciino]

It is will be great have this opportunity in vanilla game. Still expecting lots of changes in vanilla so do not want use mods on this moment.

[XGamer]

those items can not be sold because we want to encourage players to actualy use them. which should usually give you a much bigger reward than the monetary value.

Are you sure about that? I mean it's not like there is a mission to do just that right?

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Oh wait there actually is...



Nope, he won't take it, yet I'm supposed to deliver that stuff to him...
Already had it twice, can't finish either of them...

That mission should just get the Impossible tag, and it wouldn't even be lying because it is literally impossible to do so.

Please revise that and enable us to sell it to black market people. It should be the players choice how to play the game.
If we want to use them and get more reward out of it, we can do that. If we don't care and are okay with the amount of money then let us do that.

[Xenon_Slayer]

Just a note based on those screenshots. There is a mission issue at the moment where the conversation option to deliver the items will not appear if you return to the start of the conversation. It will if you leave the conversation and then talk to them again.