Joystick

[CorruptUser]

Huh. I can't remember the last time I had a joystick. 2004, maybe? Too many games make it too convenient to use your mouse even for flight sims...

[Tomonor]

Huh. I can't remember the last time I had a joystick. 2004, maybe? Too many games make it too convenient to use your mouse even for flight sims...

Obviously. It would hurt the sales pretty bad if they made games specific to controllers.

Not that its unheard of, I vividly remember not being able to play Star Wars X Wing Alliance, because I had no joystick.


But if you look at it from another angle, it really boosts the atmosphere of the game if you are using a controller.

[Falcrack]

I never seen anyone use 100% joystick when playing games like Elite. They tend to use mouse / keyboard for another interactions. Heck most games Cockpits even show a keyboard built in. If you want to play the game like the future get use to using a keyboard / mouse on top of a joystick or you are not legit play

Actually, with my T-16000m and TWCS throttle, I can play Elite comfortably without ever touching the mouse. In fact, in many ways it is easier than using a mouse when you get used to it.

[Jabberwok]

I never seen anyone use 100% joystick when playing games like Elite. They tend to use mouse / keyboard for another interactions. Heck most games Cockpits even show a keyboard built in. If you want to play the game like the future get use to using a keyboard / mouse on top of a joystick or you are not legit play

Actually, with my T-16000m and TWCS throttle, I can play Elite comfortably without ever touching the mouse. In fact, in many ways it is easier than using a mouse when you get used to it.

Sounds good, until it goes back in time and kill your father.

[Miniding]

I got a Saitek X52 and tried it on XR... Wasn't very easy because of a lack of personnalisation's settings…

I hope, especially because we'll be flying ALL ships, that it will be manageable and effective!!!

[Eriodas]

I have a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 since many years, and i played all the X games with it. Can configure 8 buttons, flip, throttle, POV, can feel the force... and i don't know of any other really.

But since its too old (yet still function perfectly), there must be new versions out.

[Falcrack]

I never seen anyone use 100% joystick when playing games like Elite. They tend to use mouse / keyboard for another interactions. Heck most games Cockpits even show a keyboard built in. If you want to play the game like the future get use to using a keyboard / mouse on top of a joystick or you are not legit play

Actually, with my T-16000m and TWCS throttle, I can play Elite comfortably without ever touching the mouse. In fact, in many ways it is easier than using a mouse when you get used to it.

Sounds good, until it goes back in time and kill your father.

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[atavistuk]

It was a Terminator joke.

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

I am seriously thinking of going out to buy a joystick for this game. I want to turn off the flight assist and see what that is actually like.
I have not had a stick since X2 and X3 reunion due to the fact that the mouse was fine with the later iterations.

Anybody got any suggestions for a really useful stick.

[Falcrack]

I am seriously thinking of going out to buy a joystick for this game. I want to turn off the flight assist and see what that is actually like.
I have not had a stick since X2 and X3 reunion due to the fact that the mouse was fine with the later iterations.

Anybody got any suggestions for a really useful stick.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-1 ... s=t-16000m

This is a great deal for a HOTAS setup. It is a good quality stick and throttle that is priced considerably less than other alternatives.

[Kittens David]

Good after some look i just ordered myself a 16000m FCS. I hope it will work good

[BigBANGtheory]

That's a decent hotas setup good choice.

I've just upgraded my stick with a swan neck extension and stronger spring to make it more like the real thing. Regardless of the stick itself I'm a big fan of it being positioned between your legs or close to your lap. Happy to share the details if anyone is interested.

[Varek Raith]

I had a hell of a time getting my Attack 3 configured for X:R correctly. The default ingame controls for it were....Lol wtf.
Hopefully it'll be much improved for X4.

[birdtable]

Has anyone had any experience of the new Logitech x56 Black/Grey ,, it is supposed to be an upgraded version of the blue/black original and looks to be about 40£ cheaper... ?

[Erqco]

Personally I will wait until we have some feedback on the different Joysticks.

[vukica]

Personally I will wait until we have some feedback on the different Joysticks.

I second this

[fcth]

I had a hell of a time getting my Attack 3 configured for X:R correctly. The default ingame controls for it were....Lol wtf.
Hopefully it'll be much improved for X4.

I just got an X56 and was trying it in X:R. Felt pretty good until I got to the point where I couldn't figure out how to dock with the first station in the tutorial using the stick. I thought I had remapped all the menu control so I could use them, but nothing I did activated the on-screen dock prompt.

[fcth]

Has anyone had any experience of the new Logitech x56 Black/Grey ,, it is supposed to be an upgraded version of the blue/black original and looks to be about 40£ cheaper... ?

I just bought one, so my experiences is limited, but my thoughts:

• Looks great
• Feels pretty good (nice soft-touch plastics on the touch surfaces)
• Maybe slightly too big, there's a few buttons that are annoying to reach or just stick out a little too much
• Lots of stuff to map
• Throttle way too stiff. This is apparently a common problem with the X55/X56. Even at the lowest resistance, moving it takes a decent amount of force (sometimes enough to lift up the throttle from the desk), and is a bit slow. Fine if you are flying a jetliner in a flight sim, but not good for flying a fighter. It does loosen up a bit with use, but will retighten if left alone (apparently it's some sort of thick grease that causes the stiffness).
• Buttons generally feel sturdy and durable
• Can switch spring in stick for different stiffness (feels best with the heaviest spring to me).
• LEDs look good on the throttle but bad on the stick, I turned them off.

In any event, I was worried about spending so much cash (I paid $230, which seems to be a good price, though I know the price has been down to $200 in the past, but $250 seems the norm in the US right now), but aside from the throttle stiffness, I'm pretty happy. It's expensive, but it seems pretty nice to me, and I can totally see it being quite good for X4 (my biggest concern is whether the new map can actually be operated effectively without a mouse, I've got a hunch I'll need to keep one next to the stick).

As for black/grey vs. black/blue, everything I've read said that the Logitech-built black/gray is at least as good as the Saitek black/blue, and possibly better. If the grey one (which is what I have) is cheaper, I'd definitely go with that (it certainly looks better).

[birdtable]

@fcth .... Thanks for the review of the new X56 .. was interested in what changes had been made.
As a return favour I had problems sometimes docking (x 52 pro) if I remember correctly (I have not played Rebirth for a while, did not want to retain muscle memory of controls in preparation for X4) in key map controls there is a key press for want of a better description that clears previous target icons .. I would use that quickly before docking, then the icon would appear..... Hopefully my maybe confusing/unclear use of correct terminology will help you,, it can be done .....Thanks

[wrmiller]

Personally I will wait until we have some feedback on the different Joysticks.

Well that won't help someone who already has a Thrustmaster HOTAS and VKB pedals. Guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that they will work with X4.

And my TrackIR Pro...