For whole "target audience" and mr. L Bernd

[vargata]

The media (and especially reviewers) are a mercurial lot - if it were not for the quality of the release I think we would be seeing a different review landscape.

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

i think you misunderstood him. he try to imply that if the reviewers would not look at the bugs but the game itself we would see 10/10 reviews. (or at least 6/10) but thats not the case and it just show that he didnt read those reviews. all and every one of them say like: its ok that its buggy but why its so bad anyway? roger, put down your pink glasses pls ^^

Today is 16 december, a month has passed from the release.
All reviews are negative. Most of you don't change their vision, neither after a lot of patches.
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You aren't anymore interested in Rebirth. So, what's the profit guys?

^

1) aren't interested in Rebirth anymore? = wrong. very interested.

2) What's the profit? No profit at all, this looks like a free service provided by good forum members. Reviews and comments are posted by those who had the great privilege of paying to do so, through buying and experiencing XRebirth, (and some who have not, but are still interested).

People are posting 'negatives' here to let Egosoft know how the game is bad. And could be better, MAYBE.

Now, if they stopped posting these opinions, Egosoft would pretend that the game is good, and that everyone thinks it is A GREAT SUCCESS. That would NOT really help, would it?

@ Darrosquall, if you think this game is ok now because over this first month a few bug fixes have been rushed out, think again. If you have any past experience with Egosoft games, you will know by now that even two years later a game can still be 'getting fixed'. And XRebirth is the Mother Of All Things Buggy. And all things STUPID, maybe, and It may never get 'fixed'.

One of the other reasons people (newcomers and old) post is because they just can't believe this is really IT, Egosoft's TNBT.

I think the main reason they post is really; to assist Egosoft. Keep them informed. Most of the posts you don't like ("negative"), are not really here for contrary comments from players who "do like", good luck to them. Play play play play I say.

exactly this. as i've already posted in an other topic, i think when all these rogers and darrosqualls will be long gone bored of X:R, we will still be here trying to convince ego to finally wake up and create X4 cos we loved the predecessors so much. The sad is that they wear the same pink glasses and they still think this game is good and they can fix it so we all will love it. it will take at least 6 other months to realise its not the case now and its a total fault. will they bust then or start to take us serious? who knows

[Darrosquall]

I think the main reason they post is really; to assist Egosoft. Keep them informed. Most of the posts you don't like ("negative"), are not really here for contrary comments from players who "do like", good luck to them. Play play play play I say.

This would be great, but it is so far from the reality of this forum. Most of people are simply bashing Egosoft, because they did a game that they consider rubbish.
I read also constructive feedback, I made constructive feedback, but it's easy to recognize what is a useless bashing and what is a positive feedback.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

The media (and especially reviewers) are a mercurial lot - if it were not for the quality of the release I think we would be seeing a different review landscape.

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

i think you misunderstood him. he try to imply that if the reviewers would not look at the bugs but the game itself we would see 10/10 reviews. (or at least 6/10) but thats not the case and it just show that he didnt read those reviews. all and every one of them say like: its ok that its buggy but why its so bad anyway? roger, put down your pink glasses pls ^^

And yet again you seem to have missed what I was getting at although you seem to have got some sense of what I was eliciting to... an improvement in our mutual understanding perhaps.

No, I do not think the game is great but I believe the most negative reviews are substantially affected by the quality of the software more than anything else. Put someone in a bad frame of mind from the outset (which plot bugs will have a tendency to do), and they will continue to look for and poke holes and not look for the positive aspects. Even then, not everyone evaluates the positive aspects the same way.

This is not a case of looking at things with rose-tinted-glasses, it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth as a game, but as with most things in life I do not agree with unreasonable levels of non-constructive criticism of anything or anyone.

[Max Blanche]

exactly this. as i've already posted in an other topic, i think when all these rogers and darrosqualls will be long gone bored of X:R, we will still be here trying to convince ego to finally wake up and create X4 cos we loved the predecessors so much. The sad is that they wear the same pink glasses and they still think this game is good and they can fix it so we all will love it. it will take at least 6 other months to realise its not the case now and its a total fault. will they bust then or start to take us serious? who knows

Quite an assumption, for your 0 evidences and totally subjective views.

[vargata]

The media (and especially reviewers) are a mercurial lot - if it were not for the quality of the release I think we would be seeing a different review landscape.

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

i think you misunderstood him. he try to imply that if the reviewers would not look at the bugs but the game itself we would see 10/10 reviews. (or at least 6/10) but thats not the case and it just show that he didnt read those reviews. all and every one of them say like: its ok that its buggy but why its so bad anyway? roger, put down your pink glasses pls ^^

And yet again you seem to have missed what I was getting at although you seem to have got some sense of what I was eliciting to... an improvement in our mutual understanding perhaps.

No, I do not think the game is great but I believe the most negative reviews are substantially affected by the quality of the software more than anything else. Put someone in a bad frame of mind from the outset (which plot bugs will have a tendency to do), and they will continue to look for and poke holes and not look for the positive aspects. Even then, not everyone evaluates the positive aspects the same way.

This is not a case of looking at things with rose-tinted-glasses, it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth as a game, but as with most things in life I do not agree with unreasonable levels of non-constructive criticism of anything or anyone.

huhhhh? nope, i didnt miss the point. i didnt say you think this game is perfect (did you read the "at least 6/10"? it was the reference that i know you dont think it is perfect, still you try to see it through pink glasses and say its afterall still good). and again, you try to say the reviews are about the bugs but no, they arent, every single review say the game is broken beyond bugs not because of bugs.

"it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth" o.O just i see it again as you fail your own logic?

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

The media (and especially reviewers) are a mercurial lot - if it were not for the quality of the release I think we would be seeing a different review landscape.

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

i think you misunderstood him. he try to imply that if the reviewers would not look at the bugs but the game itself we would see 10/10 reviews. (or at least 6/10) but thats not the case and it just show that he didnt read those reviews. all and every one of them say like: its ok that its buggy but why its so bad anyway? roger, put down your pink glasses pls ^^

And yet again you seem to have missed what I was getting at although you seem to have got some sense of what I was eliciting to... an improvement in our mutual understanding perhaps.

No, I do not think the game is great but I believe the most negative reviews are substantially affected by the quality of the software more than anything else. Put someone in a bad frame of mind from the outset (which plot bugs will have a tendency to do), and they will continue to look for and poke holes and not look for the positive aspects. Even then, not everyone evaluates the positive aspects the same way.

This is not a case of looking at things with rose-tinted-glasses, it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth as a game, but as with most things in life I do not agree with unreasonable levels of non-constructive criticism of anything or anyone.

huhhhh? nope, i didnt miss the point. i didnt say you think this game is perfect (did you read the "at least 6/10"? it was the reference that i know you dont think it is perfect, still you try to see it through pink glasses and say its afterall still good). and again, you try to say the reviews are about the bugs but no, they arent, every single review say the game is broken beyond bugs not because of bugs.

"it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth" o.O just i see it again as you fail your own logic?

*sigh* I give up with you... it seems to be impossible to get you to look outside your own apparently narrow perspective.

[vargata]

The media (and especially reviewers) are a mercurial lot - if it were not for the quality of the release I think we would be seeing a different review landscape.

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

i think you misunderstood him. he try to imply that if the reviewers would not look at the bugs but the game itself we would see 10/10 reviews. (or at least 6/10) but thats not the case and it just show that he didnt read those reviews. all and every one of them say like: its ok that its buggy but why its so bad anyway? roger, put down your pink glasses pls ^^

And yet again you seem to have missed what I was getting at although you seem to have got some sense of what I was eliciting to... an improvement in our mutual understanding perhaps.

No, I do not think the game is great but I believe the most negative reviews are substantially affected by the quality of the software more than anything else. Put someone in a bad frame of mind from the outset (which plot bugs will have a tendency to do), and they will continue to look for and poke holes and not look for the positive aspects. Even then, not everyone evaluates the positive aspects the same way.

This is not a case of looking at things with rose-tinted-glasses, it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth as a game, but as with most things in life I do not agree with unreasonable levels of non-constructive criticism of anything or anyone.

huhhhh? nope, i didnt miss the point. i didnt say you think this game is perfect (did you read the "at least 6/10"? it was the reference that i know you dont think it is perfect, still you try to see it through pink glasses and say its afterall still good). and again, you try to say the reviews are about the bugs but no, they arent, every single review say the game is broken beyond bugs not because of bugs.

"it is looking at things objectively. I am impassionate about X-Rebirth" o.O just i see it again as you fail your own logic?

*sigh* I give up with you... it seems to be impossible to get you to look outside your own apparently narrow perspective.

i could say the same about you

[CBJ]

Yet another thread on the verge of being derailed by people insisting that theirs is the only valid opinion. Give it a rest.

[birdtable]

I must admit that the release of X Rebirth has not gone well ,, Bernd's vision and abilty to deliver a progression in the X universe has gone badly wrong, but he has delivered some good ... The revitalisation of the X3 mod scene ... Litcube and X Timelines mods to name but 2 have been picked up and dusted down and being prepared for release..... I for one am looking forward to these with more anticipation than Egosofts ability to turn X Rebirth around.

[vargata]

Yet another thread on the verge of being derailed by people insisting that theirs is the only valid opinion. Give it a rest.

hmmmmp. he tried to imply that reviews are that bad cos of the bugs. in reality every one of them clearly state that they give low scores cos the game doesnt offer anything as a game. where is my opinion in it?

[DaMuncha]

Well when its one or 2 reviews that say it sucked, that maybe just thier opinion, maybe theyre just not into those kind of games. But when 100% of all the reviews say its utter shit, then maybe theyre on to something.

[ghostpilot]

I have X3TC. My yearly vacation period for gaming a lot has failed this year. X:R failed, RTWII failed, even the last hope Dwarf Fortress failed to release in time.

What follows? I will get Albion Prelude, install X-timelines mod, other compatible mods and call it X4. Then play untill Elite Dangerous shows if its worth it. I so saved my 50 bucks for X:R instead of other games... Wasted!

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Yet another thread on the verge of being derailed by people insisting that theirs is the only valid opinion. Give it a rest.

hmmmmp. he tried to imply that reviews are that bad cos of the bugs. in reality every one of them clearly state that they give low scores cos the game doesnt offer anything as a game. where is my opinion in it?

Try reading my OP again, that is not what I said nor was I implying it.

I said the scores were justified and primarily because of the software quality of the release. The level and nature of the bugs themselves make reviewing something objectively nigh on impossible even for the most tolerant of people. Whether the scores themselves would significantly change if it were not for the state of the original release is a matter of subjective opinion, but I personally think the situation would have been ALOT better than it has turned out to date - I think there would still have been a lot of flak because of the differences between X-Rebirth and X3 though (the pre-release debates are enough evidence of that).

[vargata]

Yet another thread on the verge of being derailed by people insisting that theirs is the only valid opinion. Give it a rest.

hmmmmp. he tried to imply that reviews are that bad cos of the bugs. in reality every one of them clearly state that they give low scores cos the game doesnt offer anything as a game. where is my opinion in it?

Try reading my OP again, that is not what I said nor was I implying it.

I said the scores were justified and primarily because of the software quality of the release. The level and nature of the bugs themselves make reviewing something objectively nigh on impossible even for the most tolerant of people. Whether the scores themselves would significantly change if it were not for the state of the original release is a matter of subjective opinion, but I personally think the situation would have been ALOT better than it has turned out to date - I think there would still have been a lot of flak because of the differences between X-Rebirth and X3 though (the pre-release debates are enough evidence of that).

lol. you still stick to the same things just say it more complicated and use "quality of the game" instead of "bugs". that's the same. bugs didn't cause ppl putting down the game and writing a crap review, that's not how journalism and fanatic gamers work. the reviewers, just like us, was able to realize the flaws in the design and what the game can offer, and they goes into details. just an example RTW II. it was a mess, or skyrim, at release. bugs and crashes, i remember falling into my horse (not in love with it ) and still the reviews said 75-85% because, however as software it failed just like X:R but as a game it succeeded unlike X:R...

just to live with your words: quality of the actual software doesnt really affect how a review talk about a game. sure it would get SOME better score but not because they could enjoy the /nonexisting/ features, but because it would be in a better state as a software... but not as a game.

[Azaezel]

bugs didn't cause ppl putting down the game and writing a crap review

Very true for my case.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

quality of the actual software doesnt really affect how a review talk about a game. sure it would get SOME better score but not because they could enjoy the /nonexisting/ features, but because it would be in a better state as a software... but not as a game.

That is where we will have to agree to disagree ... yet again ... some of the perceived deficiencies may not actually be design flaws but rather bugs (or a consequence there of). It is a subtle point perhaps, but it is there.

[Skism]

quality of the actual software doesnt really affect how a review talk about a game. sure it would get SOME better score but not because they could enjoy the /nonexisting/ features, but because it would be in a better state as a software... but not as a game.

That is where we will have to agree to disagree ... yet again ... some of the perceived deficiencies may not actually be design flaws but rather bugs (or a consequence there of). It is a subtle point perhaps, but it is there.

Ok Can you give an example of a perceived flaw that is just a bug?

[vargata]

quality of the actual software doesnt really affect how a review talk about a game. sure it would get SOME better score but not because they could enjoy the /nonexisting/ features, but because it would be in a better state as a software... but not as a game.

That is where we will have to agree to disagree ... yet again ... some of the perceived deficiencies may not actually be design flaws but rather bugs (or a consequence there of). It is a subtle point perhaps, but it is there.

Ok Can you give an example of a perceived flaw that is just a bug?

lol. i just wanted to ask the very same \I/-\I/-\I/-\I/

[Nomadski]

Strange how there is no large UK media review listed there - are they avoiding the game review, or have they simply been missed?

PC Gamer, PC Format, CVG, Eurogamer (UK), EDGE, Gamesradar..etc etc etc?

Although I dread to actually read EDGE's review of the game..

[Azaezel]

So you're saying if Egosoft had released a game that wasn't complete garbage, the reviews wouldn't call it complete garbage? Please, share more of these valuable insights dear Roger L.S. Obvious, perhaps you can explain the mystery of the darkness after sunset or the connection between touching a hot plate and painful burns.

Love it! It's sad that I am having much more fun reading this, than playing XR. And no, I am not here to bash Egosoft. I love X3TC, and X3AP. XR is just, not an X game yet, and I fear it will never be.