Current [POLL] Would you use Steam for Rebirth?

[TTD]

All fair points.

The "Steam thread" poll was based on comments from other threads at the time I first posted it,as mentioned in the OP.

I agree that opinions may have changed with many users.
I was a reluctant Steam user at the time.
I used it to get AP.
I had used it a year or so earlier,as a trial,but disliked it.
Many of those old issues have been attended to now.
I still favour having my own boxed versions of games...I still have the original TC release

Now I am still reluctant to have to use Steam, but it is the only way forward for me, at the moment, if I am to continue buying and playing the X- series.
So I have voted the first option.

I learned from my first poll that "if's,but's and maybe's" are just supositions, and just confuse the issues.
Everyone has their own set of questions to which they would like to respond,so no poll is pure scientific.(Even elections prove that ! ).

It was once said that you can prove anything with statistics.

In a race between two politicians one was said to come first,the other second (not last)

But it will be interesting to see the results,if it does not get locked too soon.

[Rabiator der II.]

Voted "Maybe, see what the future brings..." on this one.

To be more precise, there are two things that could convince me to buy a Steam version:

• 1) A no-Steam .exe downloadable from Egosoft that I can use to make my installation independent of Valve's whims.
  I guess we won't get this at launch, but 2014 would still be OK. It might also have the advantage that the game is more bug free by then.
  
  2) A drastic discount, the occasional 75% off sales on Steam would be about right

[Rednoahl]

While I own a lot of games on steam it isn't my favourite place to buy my games. I still prefer a boxed game even though services like steam, GOG etc are more convenient.

Egosoft however have earned my trust over the years. Egosoft have given and given and given and asked for little in return. If steam is required I'll accept that; it's better than GFWL or other forms of DRM. I don't think Egosoft are asking for the moon on a stick by asking us to use steam for their games. At the end of the day Egosoft have to keep Deep Sliver happy as well as us lot; it's a little like walking a tightrope. There aren't that many game devs who support their communities like Egosoft and I think it's high time we supported them back.

[BDK]

I will buy a copy but not from steam, I refuse to support that company in any shape or form.

[Texhnolyzed]

I like Steam a lot so I don't have any problems whatsoever with buying the game on Steam or any other site will the Steamworks version. All that matters is where I can get the best deal.

[Ebany]

All fair points.

Does that include

*The old poll was not done by me.

It's good to hear you voice your opinion, been the original creator of this poll and hearing from you now helps to show a great deal about how perspectives of Steam are different now.

I still favour having my own boxed versions of games...I still have the original TC release

Now I am still reluctant to have to use Steam, but it is the only way forward for me, at the moment, if I am to continue buying and playing the X- series.
So I have voted the first option.

I considered an option for boxed copies but I figured it wasn't require as;
*We're discussing Steam and digital downloads
*A boxed copy will still likely require Steam to play, installation would be physical.

It was once said that you can prove anything with statistics.

That just proves my statistical values to be correct

But it will be interesting to see the results,if it does not get locked too soon.

I truly hope no-one would be so narrow minded but these things happen and companies change, I'd be unable express my disappointment in words. If this thread was locked just to stop polling of people voicing opinions of Steam and its relevance to their prospective purchase of X-Rebirth, I would turn from the company in shame and walk away from a game I've loved for years. I would never look back.

[TTD]

But it will be interesting to see the results,if it does not get locked too soon.

I truly hope no-one would be so narrow minded but these things happen and companies change, I'd be unable express my disappointment in words. If this thread was locked just to stop polling of people voicing opinions of Steam and its relevance to their prospective purchase of X-Rebirth, I would turn from the company in shame and walk away from a game I've loved for years. I would never look back.

My thread is coming up for archiving, in a few pages, again.
I won't mind if it is then locked and continued discussion continues in this thread.

[nap_rz]

steam success was what made digital download flourished which was in the end kick starting the Kickstarter trend, any veteran pc gamers should've easily recognized it.

Kickstarter succeeded because of the crowd's burning desire for old school type of games, namely adventure, turn-based RPGs/strategy games, sim and space sim games because 3 years back and before there are none to very few on the market. Also because of the other burning desire to bypass publishers who have proven a pain in the ass thanks to endless DLCs or draconic DRM schemes. Those are the 2 major reasons. It might be a bubble now, that might pop eventually or it might just have continued success down the long run, no one knows.

So if I strike lottery today, I'll have Steam to thank?

kickstarter wouldn't be viewed as acceptable solution if the people mindset still stuck in ages old gaming shops selling boxed pc games... how would those independent developers sell their games in traditional way? do you expect them to deliver the game with FedEx to your house?

people clearly have no idea how stupid they are when they are hating steam... I have other news for you... steam (as well as other digital stores, but it's still primarily steam to this day) is actually allowing those in 3rd world and emerging economic powerhouse countries to become more exposed to buy pc games officially instead of simply pirating them (thanks to the attractive annual and frequent sales), such thing is simply unable to be done with traditional boxed games as the economic and infrastructure burden are too high.

[coconutz55]

I voted alternative provider, but that's not a maybe, I will buy it at gamersgate or, if available, a boxed edition (even if it's a steam install).

[fairywhipper]

Er yp guys, finally soon it will be all over as the game comes out but may not be around to play, so its exclusive steam which means exclusive for me to stay away seeya

[cw8]

kickstarter wouldn't be viewed as acceptable solution if the people mindset still stuck in ages old gaming shops selling boxed pc games... how would those independent developers sell their games in traditional way? do you expect them to deliver the game with FedEx to your house?

people clearly have no idea how stupid they are when they are hating steam... I have other news for you... steam (as well as other digital stores, but it's still primarily steam to this day) is actually allowing those in 3rd world and emerging economic powerhouse countries to become more exposed to buy pc games officially instead of simply pirating them (thanks to the attractive annual and frequent sales), such thing is simply unable to be done with traditional boxed games as the economic and infrastructure burden are too high.

Have you backed anything on Kickstarter? Or have you missed out the portion where most KS projects said DRM-free? You simply download the game from their portal not from Steam. As for boxed sets, guess what? They provide boxed sets too, CE editions as well. You pay for shipping, and the game itself, they ship it to your house, simple as that. What does that and the success of Kickstarter having anything to do with Steam is really beyond me.

So wanting alternatives that already exist other than Steam is stupid? Well tell that to yourself. You're good enough to attribute the digital revolution is solely because of Steam. And sure attractive, frequent sales are also done solely by Steam.

[the-danzorz]

I will be getting rebirth, as soon as i can i am pre-ordering it on steam. I just need to hope my system can run it well enough

[Ebany]

Er yp guys, finally soon it will be all over as the game comes out but may not be around to play, so its exclusive steam which means exclusive for me to stay away seeya

Don't forget to vote

[nap_rz]

kickstarter wouldn't be viewed as acceptable solution if the people mindset still stuck in ages old gaming shops selling boxed pc games... how would those independent developers sell their games in traditional way? do you expect them to deliver the game with FedEx to your house?

people clearly have no idea how stupid they are when they are hating steam... I have other news for you... steam (as well as other digital stores, but it's still primarily steam to this day) is actually allowing those in 3rd world and emerging economic powerhouse countries to become more exposed to buy pc games officially instead of simply pirating them (thanks to the attractive annual and frequent sales), such thing is simply unable to be done with traditional boxed games as the economic and infrastructure burden are too high.

Have you backed anything on Kickstarter? Or have you missed out the portion where most KS projects said DRM-free? You simply download the game from their portal not from Steam. As for boxed sets, guess what? They provide boxed sets too, CE editions as well. You pay for shipping, and the game itself, they ship it to your house, simple as that. What does that and the success of Kickstarter having anything to do with Steam is really beyond me.

So wanting alternatives that already exist other than Steam is stupid? Well tell that to yourself. You're good enough to attribute the digital revolution is solely because of Steam. And sure attractive, frequent sales are also done solely by Steam.

1. download from their portal = another version of steam service, but remember who made such services acceptable in 1st place?
2. paying $60 for a game, $20 for thousand miles of international shipping, another $20 for local 3rd world countries shipping (because international parcel services may not have local branch had to 'outsource it' to local company) and yet another $$$ for local tax WITH ZERO insurance that the shipping won't get lost (local game sellers won't stock games like Rebirth because nobody know about it, had to import via foreign seller) vs $60 done deal via steam no more hassle just download it anywhere.... jesus,

wanting alternative? or simply hating steam for ridiculous reasons or shall I say personal vendetta?

[cw8]

1. download from their portal = another version of steam service, but remember who made such services acceptable in 1st place?
2. paying $60 for a game, $20 for thousand miles of international shipping, another $20 for local 3rd world countries shipping (because international parcel services may not have local branch had to 'outsource it' to local company) and yet another $$$ for local tax WITH ZERO insurance that the shipping won't get lost (local game sellers won't stock games like Rebirth because nobody know about it, had to import via foreign seller) vs $60 done deal via steam no more hassle just download it anywhere.... jesus,

wanting alternative? or simply hating steam for ridiculous reasons or shall I say personal vendetta?

1. How the heck is downloading a DRM-free game on their own companies webportal maintained by the company itself attributed to being a Steam service?? If someone downloads music on iTunes? If someone pirates a game on torrent? We have to thank Steam for that? /facepalm

2. You clearly have no idea about how paying for shipping and the boxed game works on KS. And yeah, Steam is your god, go worship all you want. I'll leave you at that.

Right, hating Steam for ridiculous reasons, don't assume everyone has a bright sunny day with Steam and have no problems with it whatsover. Shessh. And there's a stark difference between fighting for alternatives and plain hating.

[Stars_InTheirEyes]

Feel sorry for people who miss out on great games because of steam. Their ignorance is only making them miss out.

[Ebany]

Egosoft however have earned my trust over the years. Egosoft have given and given and given and asked for little in return.

I agree fully!

In saying that, I've given more to them than most other game companies. I own at least 5 copies of all their titles, along with a couple of Gold & Super boxes. When they came out on Steam, I went against my strong feelings of dislike for Steam and purchased digital copies for myself and friends. If they had the ability to donate through their website, I would have done so.

I run a business and have purchased electrical components from a company for about 10 years, they have always been reliable and we have an excellent relationship.
This company decides to start using only one (1) freight service EXCLUSIVELY to deliver their goods, a freight company who consistently loses/damages the goods, but the sender refuses to use any other mode of delivery because of the fringe benefits they now receive from the freight company.
The bond between our businesses becomes strained as the sporadic delivery of parts disrupts the assembly lines in my factories. Time is money, and I'm losing a lot of sleep.
Another meeting ends six (6) months later where they tell me the "issues will get hammered out soon" and impress upon me how beneficial this arrangement is for both of us. I return to my office, tell my purchasing department to ignore any calls from them and immediately start them sourcing parts from another source, something I've not had to do for these components for a decade.
Now I have three (3) new sources and reliable deliveries, all at about 62% less than what I once paid. I now understand the enormous benefits of having multiple sources when purchasing or selling my products.

The point I'm getting at is this; I've spent money the equivalent of at least ten (10) customers, I've supported Egosoft. To believe that having only one (1) food shop, only one (1) fuel station, only one (1) airline service ........ economically bad and very narrow minded.

[Ebany]

Bugger, its late and I was watching Hannibal TV show in the background ... I rambled again

Edit: I chose "Maybe, if I can then get a DRM-Free copy from Egosoft." because I really want to support Egosoft in all their ventures but will not purchase a game which requires Steam to run, hell, I don't even want to give Steam any money.

[Texhnolyzed]

I question your will to "support Egosoft in all their ventures" if Steam is enough to stop you from actually supporting Egosoft.

[Ravenhurst]

Steam is fantastic, Valve is an awesome company with a great platform for PC games.

Miss out on epic -75% deals during winter and summer sales if you hate steam so much.

Got Fallout New Vegas for 4$
Batman Arkham City for 7$
Hotline Miami for 2$

achievements, friends list for multiplayer.. steam rocks