What we know about X-Rebirth [Updated 09/09/11]

[X2-Eliah]

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Riight.. So you want your old scripts, geared and balanced for TC, to work in a completely new game with different gameplay, whole new balance and heck, even different AI..

Sorry, but you don't get to be lazy this time, guys

/grumpy mode on
Gee, I can't wait for X2 and X3 models to be 'ported over' to X:R and looking like utter rubbish next to the new ones
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[eldyranx3]

Im going off on a limb here and say Im glad MSCI is on its way out. It's been what, 10 years now? It had its place, but MD is much more flexible, if more complicated.

That being said I've been lazy and still havent got a single MD script to execute correctly

[THE_TrashMan]

You know, Rednoahl, that sounds sort of like a Freelancer sort of universe. In it you started in a relatively 'safe' area and not much for tech wares or weapons, relatively low options on making money and profits. So your thinking something like that?

I hope not.

Freelancer was a dud for me because of one mission and one decision on the interface (no joystick support) that I couldnt get past. So the limitations of the starting area actually prevented me playing the game very long. I binned it within a week.

What bugged me about Freelancer was not the lack of joiystick really. Heck I played FS2 wihout a joystick for years and I'm better at it that way

No, what bugged me was that it was too easy, give the mouse aiming and that even fighters had friggin tracking turrets.
And the redicolous linear progression, where the Rheinland fighters were 10X more powerfull than Liberty ones, even tough canonicly they should have been equal. What a redicolous way to balance things.

[Rednoahl]

You know, Rednoahl, that sounds sort of like a Freelancer sort of universe. In it you started in a relatively 'safe' area and not much for tech wares or weapons, relatively low options on making money and profits. So your thinking something like that?

I hope not.

Freelancer was a dud for me because of one mission and one decision on the interface (no joystick support) that I couldnt get past. So the limitations of the starting area actually prevented me playing the game very long. I binned it within a week.

I guess you're talking about the race, if so, I hated that myself.

I don't mean like Freelancer at all. It's why I didn't mention it, and to be honest I think it's one of the reasons Bernd is being cautious as to what he says. I think the game will be nothing like Freelancer, BUT virtually everything we hear about X-R will make people assume it is.

I meant more like the restrictions in Terran space in TC. When you look at virtually all the game starts in TC you are limited in some way. Humble Trader starts you off in very average sectors for trade, while other starts put you in very unfriendly territory. The Terran start in TC is what I'm thinking of though - you only had clearance for a few sectors and your opportunities were very limited for moneymaking until you had completed a mission or two. I doubt the blatant nature of Freelancers restrictions on the player would get near Egosoft's drawing board.

The conjecture I have is you'll be limited to a single sector at first, and anyone with a bit of MD experience could come up with a mission outline that would teach the basics of ship control, trade, introduce the enemy and everything else (all narrated by the new Mrs X,) before you can progress elsewhere. Same code would suffice for a playable demo too.

[perkint]

@Mark - brilliant! Thanks for the help. Not gonna integrate it into my stuff at the mo tho - iPhone is ok for the odd quick post, but not merging that lot in

Tim

[perkint]

Finally - pretty much caught with the existing quotes & stuff.

Anyone who reads it - if you notice any links I've screwed up or anything, gimme a shout, please

If you can think of anything else that should be in here, again - shout up!!!!



Tim

[A5PECT]

Thanks Mark, but I actually found that depressing.

It means that scripts cannot be ported forward. Everything deemed needed to fill egosofts *insane* restrictions on what cant be done (and I dont doubt they will build them in as they have always done), will have to be rewritten from scratch. And I assume that means practically everything I have in scripts. I cant see a new game actually implementing my stuff as standard, and in the same sort of sandbox, I'm still going to want what I already have no matter how the new game runs.

The example of a script is so close to the MD it doesnt matter. Even with good documentation, I'm too old now to learn a new programming language. I dont have the brain or the motivation to do so.

For me, thats all bad news.

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...

First you complain that you don't want Egosoft's newest game to be too similar to X3, now you're getting depressed because your X3 mods aren't going to be directly portable to Rebirth?

[Observe]

Come on guys, XR is being brought to us by a company dedicated to developing "The ultimate space simulation game".

Undoubtedly it won't be perfect. Probably there will be new features some people don't like, and old features people will miss.

Regarding modding, personally I look forward to everything being new! This will provide a breath of fresh air with new challenges (read fun). To me, modding is a hobby that I enjoy immensely.

[eldyranx3]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait ... First you complain that you don't want Egosoft's newest game to be too similar to X3, now you're getting depressed because your X3 mods aren't going to be directly portable to Rebirth?

I just think those who have sunk endless hours into earlier modding efforts (I can't claim to be as experienced as others here) are worried that their labor and love has been wasted. I assure them, it has not. But just like learning a new X-interface, Im sure the new ways will just take some getting used to.

[perkint]

As has been posted in the main announcement thread - ApricotSlice's work is massively appreciated. I still see frequent recommendations for people to refer to his manual/walk thru even now.

I have also used several of his mods (and others, obviously) and am very grateful for the time and effort put into them

Thanks guys

Tim

[Progress-M]

As above, the guides and efforts are greatly appreciated and I refer to them on a weekly basis.

[David Howland]

Well I do keep reading this Thread because of its Title, you remember fellas way back when, it went something like,'what we actually KNOW about Rebirth'. Yes simple niaive people such as I read that title and then the thread hoping to learn something new about the second coming of X, SILLY US! There are real important, worrying problems for X enthusiasts that need answers to, like computer spec.s, will our PCs run this game, or is this venture into the future for the rich elite who in these economically challenging times can afford to lash out 1,2,3,4 or 5 thousand £ on new hardware?
Might I suggest for the sake of simple souls like myself that future posts on this thread be restricted to posts that offer a solid byte of info. about Rebirth and exclude apple pie in the sky opinions? No of course I can't, that would spoil the fun would it not, it would appear these days it is too much to hope that a thread live up to its TITLE!

[perkint]

As and when new info becomes available (or dug out that I've missed) I'll edit it into the first few posts and also add a post about it. But in the meantime the thread is unlikely (I hope!) to remain completely inactive...

Tim

[David Howland]

Yes Tim, I am sure with your best efforts on the job this thread will not remain inactive for too long. After all if anyone can persuade Egosoft to drop us adicts a solid grain or two, it is you!

[eldyranx3]

Yes Tim, I am sure with your best efforts on the job this thread will not remain inactive for too long. After all if anyone can persuade Egosoft to drop us adicts a solid grain or two, it is you!

[Rednoahl]

Might be wise to include add an "updated on" to the title.

[perkint]

Might be wise to include add an "updated on" to the title.

Sounds like a good idea

Yes Tim, I am sure with your best efforts on the job this thread will not remain inactive for too long. After all if anyone can persuade Egosoft to drop us adicts a solid grain or two, it is you!

I assume it was a flippant/sarcastic comment...

Tim

[David Howland]

Now now Tim, you really must not allow yourself to get depressingly negative about anything you read in a challenging post like mine!
We all really must take a positive, glass half full view on this. I am sure that if you and the other leading lights amongst the advisers on this site, apply your diplomatic skills with Egosoft rep.s, that the odd titbit of info from the vast amount that has to be released this year anyway, could find its way onto this forum first. After all Egosoft is not a charity, they want to sell this product. If Egosoft cannot sell the game to the fans on this site they are not likely to sell it to anyone. We might be a hopeless set of adicts here, but even we are not going to buy a game of which we know nothing!

[Hubert99]

Endless room for exploration ... Infinite space.

Random sector generator ?

[perkint]

Endless room for exploration ... Infinite space.
Random sector generator ?

I hope not, but that thought has occurred. Otherwise, how can they genuinely claim "infinite"

Tim