[X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots

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MadKelt
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Post by MadKelt »

jlehtone wrote: Once the factory is already running steadily, a single Apprentice does not have enough work to train up quickly. You need another ship, that does only the selling. That keeps the resource stocks empty and trainee busy. But now the Tech fabs may no longer be ideal, as they may have limited market for their product. At least the weapon types do. Anything that sells as secondary sounds like a good school.
That's what makes the Rimes Factory L so cool - it has both ecells and wheat as resources - and a product that is in high demand in both Argon and Boron home sectors (as anyone who has built a Hyperion and had to scrape the resources together can tell you.)

Even when the apprentices can't sell they are continually buying product because the station is always empty of Cloth Rimes (price set to -1 of average and other races set to buy).

Cloth Rimes are a secondary in NPC stations and available in Trading Stations and having wheat as it's secondary resource is also a bonus (wheat is used to make Spacefuel and Cloth Rimes **edit** - so is going to survive God more readily than say an over production of Argon Beef (if beef ain't making Cahoonas it's got nowhere's else ta go!)).

The station has trained most of my pilots (roughly 30 - not many I know but as I said I spend a lot of time doing other things and most of the time the station has two CAG's fully trained waiting for me to build a complex)

The other method's are more succesful (I especially like the idea for X2 style loop - I'm going to set one up tonight just for old times sake) and allow you to train pilots quicker - I posted this as an easy way to train pilots with very good results. This is my set and forget trainng ground all i do is equip the ships set commercial agent on and find some xenon to kill.

**edit** removed incorrect information about wheat being a secondary resource used in NPC stations - it isn't

**edit** -wheat is a secondary resource - no it isn't - yes it is - it is!! - MadKelt continues internal debate online!
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Post by jlehtone »

MadKelt wrote:**edit** removed incorrect information about wheat being a secondary resource used in NPC stations - it isn't
Think again. Think Boron. They love wheat, but make nothing from it. Wheat is a secondary resource to them. And Wheat is a primary resource to all three NPC Argon Food factories: Rimes, Distillery, and Bakery.

The NPC Cahoona Bakery is a special case showing the game mechanics. If it has ECells and either Beef or Wheat it can run one cycle. Confuses a lot of players. It has probably been added there to offer an easy "builder" start: buy a Farm as it is cheap and sells to many.


I have two "X2 loop" training grounds: Three Worlds and Dark Waters. (You know how void the TW is, don't you? "Learn to fly, Mr. Autopilot Agent." :twisted: ) But the CLS Mk2 circle training is a bit less micro-management, so I prefer it now. However, the single Rimes seems very reasonable option at the start of the game.
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Post by MadKelt »

jlehtone wrote:Think again. Think Boron. They love wheat, but make nothing from it. Wheat is a secondary resource to them.
Thanks jlehtone - editing my earlier edit! - I thought I had seen it is a secondary resource on my travels - then checked a excel sheet with that info and couldn't find it! Shoulda trusted my memory!
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Post by karl_1_marx »

Your Excel sheet probably comes from a complex calculator. Then it's meant for _player_ factories. Those don't need secondaries. _AI_ factories do, and I've yet to find a spreadsheet listing those demands. Read: If you have one, please drop a link...


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Post by MadKelt »

karl_1_marx wrote:Your Excel sheet probably comes from a complex calculator. Then it's meant for _player_ factories. Those don't need secondaries. _AI_ factories do, and I've yet to find a spreadsheet listing those demands. Read: If you have one, please drop a link...


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KarMa
Hi KarMa this is from the resource sticky

[X3] Supply and demand trade chart by strataholic (excel) (22/12/2007)
http://ianwatts.com/Trade_Chart_X3.xls

**edit** and to be fair to strataholic - Delexian Wheat is mentioned there as a secondary resource - teach me to do this stuff at work! **edit**
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Post by jlehtone »

Karl, how about that Seizewell.de table? (Couple suspicious looking entries in it, but ...)
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Post by karl_1_marx »

MadKelt, thanks for the link!
jlehtone wrote:Karl, how about that Seizewell.de table? (Couple suspicious looking entries in it, but ...)
That's so far quite OK. Can't say I'd have checked all the resources. But those where I did it was right. You both know what it's like when dealing in secondaries: You dont want to fill all the niches... ...for some of the more weird stuff: E.g. Special Weapons Manufacturing or Rocket Production complexes, there are some divergences, but this anyway depends on which (species') complex it is.

So for the plethora of mass factories it's reasonably accurate. For weapon factories a bit less. And as the volume market lies in the former, the slight in the latter can be IMHO ignored.


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Re: [X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots

Post by blackfirefox »

What exactly in NEWB terms is a CAG CLS pilot? I mean I have a ST just started out, what is the difference?
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Post by Kor'ah »

CAG = Commercial Agent. He wheels'n'deals for a factory/complex getting the best deals. Not uncommon for these guys to milk max possible profit from a factory.

CLS = Commodity Logistics Software MK1. This pilot is usefull for shifting large ammounts of resources around your factories. Like getting e-cells from your huge SSP complex to your other complexes scattered all over the galaxy. The Mk2 software allows you to throw NPC factories into the mix as well, but it's alot more complex.


All three scripts use the same rank table. So train a pilot useing one and he can use the other two.
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Post by karl_1_marx »

While a CAG pilot can be great keeping one of your factories up and rolling, the CLS can be programmed to get an NPC factory to continually run at full speed, e.g. a HEPT factory or PSG factory if you need specific weapons. Helpful for all solutions where you either don't want or can't afford to build your own production line, but still need the weapons.


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Post by firefly28 »

Thanks for explaining the logic :) , I am definatly going to try and make a mod for the combat side of the game adding combat missions if thats possible. Still Ive got a hell of alot to see and play of the game if you consider I have never tried the XTM mod or any of rogueys mods.

I understand how to setup cags now but I still aint no pro at managing fleets :) I will learn I guess hehe but great topic!
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Post by beholdtherazgriz »

Dumb question, but what scripts if any do you need to have CAGs and CLSs?

I ask because I'm a bit frustrated manually running wares between my four complexes and HQ. Also will these guys jump, my complexes are a bit spread out. Finally, It seems you can transfer pilots, does that mean I can transfer some of my UT pilots to get things rolling quickly?

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Post by Carlo the Curious »

They're part of the X3 bonus pack.

STs/UTs use a different levelling system to CAG/CLS.
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Post by Vantobia »

Wondering if anyone can help me out. Trained up a pilot in a Disco S like Kor' ah explained. Swapped the pilot over to an TS. That TS is working fine now and is Freight Pilot still. But when i try and get the Disco (with new pilot) going again (by doing what Kor'ah explained, 1,0,0 clean up and 6, 0, 0 second procedure set up and then restarting command for trade-start external logistics etc etc.) It just stays on Commodity logistics on standbye. . .. any ideas ?
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Post by Kor'ah »

Do a "0,0,0" report on that disco. Willing to bet the route was never saved the company server the first time around.
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Post by Vantobia »

Well Kor'ah i think your kind of right. After a 0,0,0 report, it had 4 intermediate stops but they were not listed i.e cloudbase s.e trade statiion, cloudbase s.w tradestation etc etc.

I re-entered them and now they all come up in the report and re-started the disco the way i did the every first time.

I think the problem may be in the save stage of the instructions,

when I hit 6,0,1 command I do not get a freindly beep, I get a harsh-error type beep. I dunno how to get around this ?
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Post by Kor'ah »

Save to company server before starting the CLS2 script but after you have programed the route of course. Just incase make sure you are doing the command calls from the trainiee that you programed the route with.
[X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots
[X3T] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots in Terran Conflict

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question about training CAG pilots in X3R

Post by Balkoth68 »

Im wondering if this is a bug of some sort and how to fix it. I trained 3 pilots up to freight pilot using this technique then transferred them to fully equipped TS class ships but none of them will use their jumpdrives. They insist on flying like they cant jump. Ive looked through the readme carefully and tried a few things like setting the number of ecells they keep on them. This also seems to be glitched cause they arent keeping more than 40 ecells on them.
Is there a bug that can have this effect and can it be fixed? I also have another 3 pilots training. Am I going to have the same problem with the next 3 if this is a bug?
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Post by Kor'ah »

"Video Enhancement Goggles" on those TS ships by any chance? If so Eject them and the CAGs will do as you expect.
[X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots
[X3T] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots in Terran Conflict

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Post by Balkoth68 »

hmm I believe I did add them this time. Ill try that. I was wondering what was different this time. The first time I tried this it worked great. Ill check that out and let you know. Thnx much

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