For whole "target audience" and mr. L Bernd

[Santi]

yes.
when 70 people say that the product is bad (and thus lead the facts), and 30 people say that the product is good (expressing his opinion). this becomes a problem in society.

facts beat opinion. science beat religion.

To start with, people say it can be good, not that it is good, there is a difference there, lets follow with saying that 70/30 say what? When there are 1500 people playing Rebirth today, pretty much means that there are 50 people complaining in the forums, with 1500 people playing the game, and I am being generous here with the people complaining.

Facts beat opinion. Science beat religion.

You are a poet ain't you?

[caleb]

but some persons from "target audience" have a different opinion

Yes, it is called Freedom of speech, any problems with that?

yes.
when 70 people say that the product is bad (and thus lead the facts), and 30 people say that the product is good (expressing his opinion). this becomes a problem in society.

facts beat opinion. science beat religion.

Saying the product is "bad" is not a fact. It is also an opinion. We all have opinions here. We can say the game is bugged, that is a fact, and can be easily proven. We can say it has non-working maps, simplified controls, those are facts.

But when it comes to "liking" the game, those are all opinions. I'm sure some people will like the game, even if it is bugged, and there is nothing wrong with that.

And I'm not defending the game, I think it is a piece of dung. But there is no reason to attack the people that like it either. They just like it.

[rpek32]

Saying the product is "bad" is not a fact. It is also an opinion. We all have opinions here. We can say the game is bugged, that is a fact, and can be easily proven. We can say it has non-working maps, simplified controls, those are facts.

So, product with broken content bad? or good?

When there are 1500 people playing Rebirth today, pretty much means that there are 50 people complaining in the forums, with 1500 people playing the game, and I am being generous here with the people complaining.

Facts beat opinion. Science beat religion.

You are a poet ain't you?

1500 playing today, and how much people bought this game?

nope, iam tesla trooper

[Arraamis]

yes.
when 70 people say that the product is bad (and thus lead the facts), and 30 people say that the product is good (expressing his opinion). this becomes a problem in society.

facts beat opinion. science beat religion.

To start with, people say it can be good, not that it is good, there is a difference there, lets follow with saying that 70/30 say what? When there are 1500 people playing Rebirth today, pretty much means that there are 50 people complaining in the forums, with 1500 people playing the game, and I am being generous here with the people complaining.

Facts beat opinion. Science beat religion.

You are a poet ain't you?

50 + 1500 = 1550 people .... The math don't add up!!!!

Actually about 60,474 units were sold and about 1,422 used steam to play the game over the last 24-hour peak

Where are all these satisfied customers?

I think the facts speaks volumes here .......

Europe: 48,379 units
UK: 2,326 units
Germany: 31,921 units
France: 310 units
Globally: 60,474 units sold

Where are all these satisfied customers who must be playing the heck out of X:R ?????

[not2day]

I've stopped playing the game since I upgraded to 1.15. I won't touch it until:
1. I can pilot a Captial ship (my Arawn)
2. I can pilot other ships
3. They add a REAL command system, to command the ships in my fleet. Instead of relying on these excellent modders to do all the FREE work for them

4. I can walk around at look at space while my ship is docked.
5. I can walk around the interior of my capital ship.

when my 5 requests are met, then I'll play again.

[rpek32]

Europe: 48,379 units
UK: 2,326 units
Germany: 31,921 units
France: 310 units
Globally: 60,474 units sold

You forgot the Russia
p.s. globally its steam and non-steam?

[Santi]

50 + 1200 = 1700 people .... The math don't add up!!!!

You need to clarify that, as I don't have a clue (maybe Mr Jack Daniels fault here) what you are talking about.

Now if you look carefully at your source for sales, you will notice that they are not listing pre sales of Rebirth, as their data start in 16 November 2013. So hey, there is more satisfied customer than you thought, that are not playing Rebirth.

Not2day, putting it quite clearly, he will not play, like many many other people till Egosoft sort the game out.

[caleb]

Saying the product is "bad" is not a fact. It is also an opinion. We all have opinions here. We can say the game is bugged, that is a fact, and can be easily proven. We can say it has non-working maps, simplified controls, those are facts.

So, product with broken content bad? or good?

Some people may think it is good... I mean, it's like asking "is a statue with broken arms good? or bad?". It may be a piece of art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo

Again, not defending the game. For me, it sucks. But some people like it, and that's their decision if they want to like it or not. There is no need to convince them otherwise.

[rpek32]

Current Players--Peak Today----Game
6,536-------------7,902----------Kerbal Space Program
2,608-------------2,873----------FINAL FANTASY VIII (released... umm 1999)
1,650-------------1,888----------EVE Online
1,533-------------1,533----------FTL: Faster Than Light
1,199-------------1,503----------X Rebirth
every space game beats X:R (and game released in 1999 too), its looks very strange, isnt it?

X:R is a hit. hit in the balls.

[GCU Grey Area]

Saying the product is "bad" is not a fact. It is also an opinion. We all have opinions here. We can say the game is bugged, that is a fact, and can be easily proven. We can say it has non-working maps, simplified controls, those are facts.

So, product with broken content bad? or good?

Can be good IF you like the bits which aren't broken & aren't too bothered about the bits which are.

The game is certainly playable (I'm playing it right now) so it's not completely broken & I'm certainly enjoying my time playing it. In that respect (for me at least) it qualifies as a 'good' game, though I'd also say it could be far, far better than it currently is when they finally get all the bugs sorted out & start adding more content. For the moment though I'm happy playing it & look forward to seeing what it will evolve into.

[tuareg]

50 + 1200 = 1700 people .... The math don't add up!!!!

You need to clarify that, as I don't have a clue (maybe Mr Jack Daniels fault here) what you are talking about.

Now if you look carefully at your source for sales, you will notice that they are not listing pre sales of Rebirth, as their data start in 16 November 2013. So hey, there is more satisfied customer than you thought, that are not playing Rebirth.

Not2day, putting it quite clearly, he will not play, like many many other people till Egosoft sort the game out.

ohh, lol, what an optimistic view. i help u a bit. 60000 ppl bought the game. 58500 dropped it within a month. about 50 play the game with thoughts how awesome it is and 1450 miss X4 so much they cant just stop trying. actually that 1450 complain here and the 50 try to defend the game.
this i think a lot more realistic

[rpek32]

The game is certainly playable (I'm playing it right now) so it's not completely broken & I'm certainly enjoying my time playing it./quote]

lol. i record 3 gb of video (movies from 3 up to 5 mins) and screensshots for my tech support (they ask for proofs for refund). nothing special, just try to play in game.

playable game so playable:
What is it? Xenon: The Beggining?
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Interceptor Mk1

[steelgrey75]

If Ego gives Steam the green light and Steam sells the game why is Steam responsible for the product if it is bad? I do understand the retailer part of the responsibility but it is not actually a Steam product. They did not manufacture it. They simply distribute it at a % of the sale. Considering they only receive a % of the sale why should anyone think the distributer owes them a full refund?

Because most of us are not Egosoft customers, but rather steam customers. It was steam that sold the game and steam that took the money. Its down to steam to decide on if a refund applies, and then return the "goods" to the manufacturer for their refund.
I myself bought my game from Amazon, so I would have to deal with them for instance.

[Santi]

50 + 1200 = 1700 people .... The math don't add up!!!!

You need to clarify that, as I don't have a clue (maybe Mr Jack Daniels fault here) what you are talking about.

Now if you look carefully at your source for sales, you will notice that they are not listing pre sales of Rebirth, as their data start in 16 November 2013. So hey, there is more satisfied customer than you thought, that are not playing Rebirth.

Not2day, putting it quite clearly, he will not play, like many many other people till Egosoft sort the game out.

ohh, lol, what an optimistic view. i help u a bit. 60000 ppl bought the game. 58500 dropped it within a month. about 50 play the game with thoughts how awesome it is and 1450 miss X4 so much they cant just stop trying. actually that 1450 complain here and the 50 try to defend the game.
this i think a lot more realistic

And do tell me my dear friend, what your sources are for those figures? Any link? Any customer satisfaction survey? Counting the people is not happy in this forum with Rebirth? Be serious about your posts, please.

[gbjbaanb]

Current Players--Peak Today----Game
6,536-------------7,902----------Kerbal Space Program
2,608-------------2,873----------FINAL FANTASY VIII (released... umm 1999)
1,650-------------1,888----------EVE Online
1,533-------------1,533----------FTL: Faster Than Light
1,199-------------1,503----------X Rebirth
every space game beats X:R (and game released in 1999 too), its looks very strange, isnt it?

X:R is a hit. hit in the balls.

What I find more telling is the numbers for another space sim game.

Last 30 Days:
629.7-------------1,310

Now consider than a lot of people playing this game are using mods, and therefore the nosteam.exe, so their stats won't show up on steam. Tell me which is more popular. In a month or so, I expect the steam stats for vanilla to be greater for the old game than for X:R. Bernd and Egosoft absolutely needs to pay attention to this.

[tuareg]

50 + 1200 = 1700 people .... The math don't add up!!!!

You need to clarify that, as I don't have a clue (maybe Mr Jack Daniels fault here) what you are talking about.

Now if you look carefully at your source for sales, you will notice that they are not listing pre sales of Rebirth, as their data start in 16 November 2013. So hey, there is more satisfied customer than you thought, that are not playing Rebirth.

Not2day, putting it quite clearly, he will not play, like many many other people till Egosoft sort the game out.

ohh, lol, what an optimistic view. i help u a bit. 60000 ppl bought the game. 58500 dropped it within a month. about 50 play the game with thoughts how awesome it is and 1450 miss X4 so much they cant just stop trying. actually that 1450 complain here and the 50 try to defend the game.
this i think a lot more realistic

And do tell me my dear friend, what your sources are for those figures? Any link? Any customer satisfaction survey? Counting the people is not happy in this forum with Rebirth? Be serious about your posts, please.

its enough to read the posts around. you defenders are so few i know u all by name those are complaining have incomparably higher numbers. it doesnt need a calculator, and i never said these are facts just that this is a lot more realistic

[Santi]

you defenders are so few i know u all by name those are complaining have incomparably higher numbers.

All your base are belong to us.

[rpek32]

What I find more telling is the numbers for another space sim game.
.

as you wish, sir
Name-----Current Players-----30-Day Avg.-----30-Day Gain-----30-Day % Gain
X Rebirth 1,120 1,775.8 -858.1 -32.58%

Name Current Players 30-Day Avg. 30-Day Gain 30-Day % Gain
X3: Albion Prelude 582 629.7 +31.7 +5.30%


Name Current Players 30-Day Avg. 30-Day Gain 30-Day % Gain
X3: Terran Conflict X3: Terran Conflict 334 326.8 +28.8 +9.68%

All your base are belong to us.

ultimate argument of "target audience"... not

[Walkop]

I've lurked around this community, the X community, for a VERY long time.

What I personally find appalling about this situation was that there was only a single response from Egosoft in this entire 14 page thread.

That is (objectively) pathetic. There's no way around it. It is pathetic. We know that you read these pages, guys. So give us something. Communicate. Stop leaving us all in the ditch.

[Ruiner82]

I've lurked around this community, the X community, for a VERY long time.

What I personally find appalling about this situation was that there was only a single response from Egosoft in this entire 14 page thread.

That is (objectively) pathetic. There's no way around it. It is pathetic. We know that you read these pages, guys. So give us something. Communicate. Stop leaving us all in the ditch.

They don't care about informed consumers. You and I are the "vocal minority" that can be conveniently ignored.