Is this game worth getting?

[yoyolll]

Not to mention it's listed as DLC on the Steam page of X3.

[vukica]

You don't get sector blacklists (etc) in X3 either unless you mod the game - vanilla trade commands don't have those functions.

It always wonders me why people always refer to the Bonus Pack as mods. Since it is Egosoft-approved, I consider it as DLC.

mods are DLC... downloadable content.

dlc is just a nice marketing label for "hey, guys, here sam stuff you may or may now want to use".

plus, x3 bonus pack are in-fact separate scripts done by x3 modders like cycrow and lucike.

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

Also, the blacklist doesn't work properly without additional scripts from other modders

[Santi]

It always wonders me why people always refer to the Bonus Pack as mods. Since it is Egosoft-approved, I consider it as DLC.

X2 The Threat released in 2003
Bonus package released in 2004/final version 2005

X3 Reunion released in November 2005
Bonus package released in October 2007

X3 Terran Conflict released in October 2008
X3 TC Bonus package released in April 2010

It is because they were release couple of years later, so they mostly had no impact in your game if you run vanilla, you did benefit from it as some where incorporated into the next game of course, and always was nice to check them out, but you still think of them as mods, as the credit was due to the original mod scriptwriters.

[X2-Illuminatus]

so they mostly had no impact in your game if you run vanilla

Err... this statement does not make a lot of sense, as the BP is and always was meant for vanilla players.

[birdtable]

Average of 2 years later for Bonus Pack .... Wonder if we will ever see Bonus Pack for Rebirth (20 months later) ...?

[Santi]

so they mostly had no impact in your game if you run vanilla

Err... this statement does not make a lot of sense, as the BP is and always was meant for vanilla players.

It is my fault because I shouldn't of have generalized. I quoted Graaf as he was asking why some people refer to the Bonus packs as mods. Because of the 2 year difference, most of my gaming was vanilla, I put a bunch of hours into the bonus pack of course, but nothing compared to the amount of hours I have in vanilla. So for me it was ok, nice one, but had no real impact, as pretty much just checked them out. The real impact will come as I said in the next instalment, when they were in the game from the start.

[Ketraar]

so they mostly had no impact in your game if you run vanilla

Err... this statement does not make a lot of sense, as the BP is and always was meant for vanilla players.

Think more accurately would be "non-modified" players, given vanilla usually refers to the version of the game the Devs send out and the BP is modifications, even if signed to not trigger the MODIFIED tag. For example in XR you would not be able to tell the difference given there is no modified tag, so the BP would be just a collection of mods.

MFG

Ketraar

[Graaf]

Same as NESA getting officially implemented with patch 2.0 iirc.

[Nanook]

so they mostly had no impact in your game if you run vanilla

Err... this statement does not make a lot of sense, as the BP is and always was meant for vanilla players.

Think more accurately would be "non-modified" players, given vanilla usually refers to the version of the game the Devs send out and the BP is modifications...

No, the Bonus Pack has always been considered 'vanilla', even by the devs. Let's not be redeifining terms here to fit individual arguments.

[Santi]

No, the Bonus Pack has always been considered 'vanilla', even by the devs. Let's not be redefining terms here to fit individual arguments.

Bonus Pack are mods added to vanilla, Egosoft signed the scripts and therefore they are enabled without activating the Script Editor or setting the game to ***modified***. But they are mods, available way before the bonus packs were released, and they are credited to their creators as such by Egosoft.

[Nanook]

Don't presume to tell me what they are. I know exactly how they're made. And according to Egosoft, they are considered vanilla. That's all that matters. The fact they're essentially DLC makes no difference. And like all DLC, players can choose to use them or not, in part or in whole.

[Santi]

Don't presume to tell me what they are. I know exactly how they're made. And according to Egosoft, they are considered vanilla. That's all that matters. The fact they're essentially DLC makes no difference. And like all DLC, players can choose to use them or not, in part or in whole.

Egosoft simply says that they will not trigger the "modified tag", nowhere they say that those scripts are developed by them and were a part of the game since it was released. So they are not vanilla, vanilla being the game you play with content only made by the developers of the game.

Of course you could go full Taliban and say that pure vanilla means "In PC games, the term "vanilla" is often used to describe the original version of a game, which has not been modified with third-party addons, developer updates, downloadable content (DLC) or patches."

Good luck with that if you are a PC gamer.

[BlackRain]

Hairs are being split here over a trivial argument. The fact still remains that the game was added on to over time, as will X Rebirth.

[Santi]

Hairs are being split here over a trivial argument. The fact still remains that the game was added on to over time, as will X Rebirth.

Amen to that.

[jasonbarron]

Hairs are being split here over a trivial argument. The fact still remains that the game was added on to over time, as will X Rebirth.

Amen to that.

Seconded.

[Ketraar]

Don't presume to tell me what they are. I know exactly how they're made.

So do I, quite closely I might add, and they are not vanilla, they are vanilla safe, as explained above. Its not the definition that is the issue, its the point that was made about extensions being added over time, such extension exist NOW for XR but unlike in the past they do not need signing.

MFG

Ketraar

[yoyolll]

They're essentially optional patches and quality of life tweaks, that are *official*. To me, that means it's part of the base game. Kind of silly that anyone would play vanilla without the bonus pack.

[Graaf]

The funny thing is that if you use the bonus pack through Steam, then its official DLC for X3, just like Teladi Outpost is for Rebirth.

[Nanook]

The funny thing is that if you use the bonus pack through Steam, then its official DLC for X3, just like Teladi Outpost is for Rebirth.

Amen!

Except it's free.