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quase wrote: With all due respect, I am not stupid and I have to use Steam since Half Life 2 came out, but I can assure you that tabbing out of a game and resuming a stopped download only works as long as you do not tab back to your game. I have never experienced anything else with my Steam games. Downloads stop when you start a game. Maybe it is different for some games, but I have never noticed it to be so.
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I can assure you that this does work, and tabbing back into the game does not have an effect on it. I was happily downloading Team Fortress 2 whilst playing Skyrim via this method.

I haven't found a game that actually stops another downloading by doing this.

Happy new year! :D
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Post by fairywhipper »

Hi all, Happy NewYear
Lets start the new year with a refreshing look at the topic, let us not dwell upon the negatives of people whom cannot use steam for various reasons, but look to what you may achieve with steam:
1) One stop shop for all your games, no more shopping for competitive pricing.
2) You will be covered by an American EULA clause wherever you live in the world.
3) Don’t need physical mediums, all stored digitally so no more breaking cds, just worry about hard disk fails, server crashes, EMPs and hackers.
4) You can get ingame achievements like slaying a 1000 puppys.
5) You get steam support whom will try to get back to your problem soon as they work out what it is so you may be redirected to the appropriate producer of your game, as steam works fine and no problems or bugs.
6) All your stored games available to you any where in the world with an internet connection.
7) Your games are protected by account binding so that you can only play your game with steam account and will check online every so often to confirm account.
8) Automatically patch your games when new one appears so your games will be updated to the newest Beta with the internet (this might take a minute or 2…..)
9) Steam clients will check your system and send data back to a server so it can display information about what you have on your system, just to make sure you have the right software/hardware.
10) Works fine with some antivirus programs and will not show up as a cause for concern even when getting shutdown privileges so you can play a game.
11) Oh sorry forgot to mention bandwidth, it is recommended that you have an internet connection so that you may play your offline solo game offline.

See don’t know what all these people complain about not wanting steam, steam is perfectly fine, its you “anti steam” people whom have a problem not steam or steam supporters whom will happily dismantle any logical or un-logical arguments that you may have and brush all concerns as pointless worrying after all, all those games that we brought from steam are still on steam and we can walk away from steam anytime we like, and its not like we been forced to bin all our physical mediums, online accounts are not physical they are virtual so we are perfectly safe if there is any problems like crashes server failure, company going into admin etc. So “anti steam” people should come join the revolution the future and not be stuck in a cave.

Ps. would i be courting more feedback if i suggest that we should not have steam at all, that all games should be steam free and not downloaded digitally from steam :roll: :P :P
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exogenesis wrote:btw the crusades ended in the 13th century,
they didn't succeed in converting those 'damned unbelievers' either.
It's interesting you think that list was an effort to convert you. It was a pretty accurate description of all the arguments people have made in this thread about Steam.

Whether you 'convert' or not, I still get to play Rebirth.

Seems to me that the ones crusading are the ones trying to make Deepsilver relent on their decision to have a Steamworks only release. Or am I missing something?
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Post by exogenesis »

Apparently, i.e. that there is a large group of people who would like the choice, and not have steam forced on them.
Whether DS &/or ES are likely to give the choice is as yet unknown.

Certainly you & NS have seemed to come across as trying to 'convert' people,
but maybe that's just the way this thread appears to 'bend' the tone of the conversations.
It's not an argument to win or lose but a reasonable request for the choice.

The false concept/label of anti-steamers versus pro-steamers doesn't help much.
There are those who accept & use steam & those who would really like the choice.
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fairywhipper, with respet, but, that people do not think like you does not mean that their are stucked into a cave, only that their aren't convinced with steam.

Those are all the problems that I see to steam:
1.- When you buy a DVD with a Steam Powered Game you cannot actvate it anonymously.
2.- The automatic updates are a big problem when those updates aren`t compatible with current saved games, and option to apply the update when the user select can be welcomed.
3.- Unfortunately the producers of games that instead of edit patches that solve the bugs of their games their try to shell to you a DLC are to numerous. Usually the comunity make paches to solve this, but depending of what files are modified in the steam version of the game you cannot install then.
4. The need of optimization on the downloads, the use of all bandwith avialable make that you practically cannot use the internet for other purposes before finish the dowload. If it give the option to select a percentage of bandwith to use...

For me, if Valve solve those problems, Steam can be a very good platform, but not at it is now.

Happy new year.
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Post by kajanov »

You're missing my answer: I would not use anything, but steam for X:R
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Post by Dreez »

Here is why connecting Rebirth (or any games) to Steam is bad.

1) Steamservers currently busy, please re-try install later.
2) Connection lost, please re-try install later.
3) No internet connection , cannot install even if you have Retail DVD.
4) Cannot execute game.exe because no connection to Steam was found.
5) Anything that keeps track of how much i've played is bad, because
if they can do that, what else can they read through Steam client !?!?.


I just bought Skyrim, and i couldn't play that game for a whole day
even tho i bought the DVD on retail, because the servers were busy...

So DO NOT affiliate Rebirth with Steam.
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Gavrushka wrote:Perkint... The metaphor was of progress not influence! Steam is an evolution of software delivery
Disagree completely. Digital software delivery could be argued as being an evolution of software retailing. Steam on the other hand is just one form of it and is not perfect for the reasons that have been stated (many times!).

And you can halt progress! It happens fairly often. But it is easily arguable as to whether Steam is progress anyway! As I say, digital distribution, as an option, is progress. But account binding and a retailer retaining the right to enforce updated EULA's on users, without there being any change in the product (which can happen when you re-install any software through Steam), and the potential on-line requirements (which, yes, depends on the set up by the dev/publisher) are all things I do not see how anyone would claim they are progress!!

Steam offers some great benefits. I am not arguing against that, and I do use it. Doesn't alter the fact that I prefer alternatives, especially the way X3TC worked...

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Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
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Has anyone who is against Steam tried to email or in any way contact Deepsilver? I just thought that it might (or not) be a lot more effective than to write in these forums here since it is Deepsilver that decides on the methods of distribution - and I doubt that anyone from Deepsilver is checking forums of Egosoft.
P.S: I know that getting any response at all from DS is unlikely but is you want to have a choice regarding steam - isnt it worth the shot to contact the ones who actually make the decisions?
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Jumee wrote:Has anyone who is against Steam tried to email or in any way contact Deepsilver? I just thought that it might (or not) be a lot more effective than to write in these forums here since it is Deepsilver that decides on the methods of distribution - and I doubt that anyone from Deepsilver is checking forums of Egosoft.
P.S: I know that getting any response at all from DS is unlikely but is you want to have a choice regarding steam - isnt it worth the shot to contact the ones who actually make the decisions?
Very good thought Jumee,

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Yes they have - somewhere back in the previous 100+ page thread :)

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Nova Scotia wrote:Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
Now do the same with Windows, and yet you still use it.. hmm.. :P
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Post by AkrionXxarr »

Tycow wrote:
quase wrote: With all due respect, I am not stupid and I have to use Steam since Half Life 2 came out, but I can assure you that tabbing out of a game and resuming a stopped download only works as long as you do not tab back to your game. I have never experienced anything else with my Steam games. Downloads stop when you start a game. Maybe it is different for some games, but I have never noticed it to be so.
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I can assure you that this does work, and tabbing back into the game does not have an effect on it. I was happily downloading Team Fortress 2 whilst playing Skyrim via this method.

I haven't found a game that actually stops another downloading by doing this.

Happy new year! :D
With all due respect, Quase, neither are we. :P I run two monitors and can watch my game's download / install progress as I play another Steam game, so I can absolutely verify that this works.
NUKLEAR-SLUG wrote:
Nova Scotia wrote:Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
Now do the same with Windows, and yet you still use it.. hmm.. :P
Serously. >.> Nova, I would like to see you provide a good reason for why Steam is so terrible in comparison to every other tech company and deserves to be singled out over them; you keep dodging the question.
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Nova Scotia wrote:Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
Well, "Problems" of any kind tend to be rather common in every software. And honestly, I've had more technical problems with the X-Series than with Steam but that didn't stop me from playing.

btw. If you take your link and switch "Steam Client" and "Nova Scotia" you get more hits for "Problems with Nova Scotia" :P
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Adlantis wrote:
Nova Scotia wrote:Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
Well, "Problems" of any kind tend to be rather common in every software. And honestly, I've had more technical problems with the X-Series than with Steam but that didn't stop me from playing.

btw. If you take your link and switch "Steam Client" and "Nova Scotia" you get more hits for "Problems with Nova Scotia" :P
Good one

But the point I am making that IMO members here that say that they would prefer not to have steam client are regarded as making false unfounded statements in regard to steam client problematic possibilties.The response from pro Steam members on this site always seem to imply that Steam is problem free and a god send to the Pc gaming industry :lol:
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AkrionXxarr wrote:
Tycow wrote:
quase wrote: With all due respect, I am not stupid and I have to use Steam since Half Life 2 came out, but I can assure you that tabbing out of a game and resuming a stopped download only works as long as you do not tab back to your game. I have never experienced anything else with my Steam games. Downloads stop when you start a game. Maybe it is different for some games, but I have never noticed it to be so.
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I can assure you that this does work, and tabbing back into the game does not have an effect on it. I was happily downloading Team Fortress 2 whilst playing Skyrim via this method.

I haven't found a game that actually stops another downloading by doing this.

Happy new year! :D
With all due respect, Quase, neither are we. :P I run two monitors and can watch my game's download / install progress as I play another Steam game, so I can absolutely verify that this works.
NUKLEAR-SLUG wrote:
Nova Scotia wrote:Of course google anything thing and you will get numerous hits ,just pointing to all that see the a rosy garden some see dandyLions


https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 60&bih=643
Now do the same with Windows, and yet you still use it.. hmm.. :P
Serously. >.> Nova, I would like to see you provide a good reason for why Steam is so terrible in comparison to every other tech company and deserves to be singled out over them; you keep dodging the question.
Not dodging the question.I have stated many times that I do not like having Steam attached to my games or my pc for the same reason mentioned numerous times by many members of this forum.Did you even bother reading the 40 pages + of reasons that I googled
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Nova Scotia wrote:Not dodging the question.I have stated many times that I do not like having Steam attached to my games or my pc for the same reason mentioned numerous times by many members of this forum.Did you even bother reading the 40 pages + of reasons that I googled
Actually I read through a number of them. Interesting thing I noticed...in about 3 or so of the points on the first page alone, when I read the through the entire forum thread...the problem pretty much always came back to the user or their PC.

One person had a faulty router(and knew it was faulty btw), but posted it as a Steam problem. Another person had a problem with their PC and confirmed it to be so when they checked and realized that they could connect fine from their second PC.

Some of the issues were specific to a particular game and not Steam...but got posted as a Steam problem.

Some of the issues listed are also old enough to be from several Steam versions ago and have been resolved with later builds.

Its really not that uncommon. If someone finds that something doesn't work...the first impulse is to blame the thing that's right in front of them.

It happens for individual games as well. A game will work perfectly fine for one person on their rig...but either crash, run poorly or not at all on another. It's not always the fault of the software. People run all sorts of things on their systems...lots of people even forget what they've installed.

I know this because I see it every day in my job.

I'm not saying any of this to get you to like Steam any better. I'm just pointing out that you can Google pretty much anything and come up with pages of hits.

Combing through them all is a tedious process, so I stopped after the first couple pages. But the fact that I've found several 'false alarms' in the first set of hits might indicate that Steam itself isn't always the culprit when something goes wrong. It's just the thing that people blame because they're playing their games through it.
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Slashman wrote:
Nova Scotia wrote:Not dodging the question.I have stated many times that I do not like having Steam attached to my games or my pc for the same reason mentioned numerous times by many members of this forum.Did you even bother reading the 40 pages + of reasons that I googled
But the fact that I've found several 'false alarms' in the first set of hits might indicate that Steam itself isn't always the culprit when something goes wrong. It's just the thing that people blame because they're playing their games through it.
In addition to this, numerous times in this thread people have reported a Steam problem, that is actually the result of specific PCs or users with incorrect assumptions on how they believe Steam functions. It's not possible to determine whether your "same reason mentioned numerous times by many members of this forum" are actual problems with Steam, or otherwise.
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Post by JClosed »

Hmm....

The only thing that people do not seem to get trough the thick sculls of the Steam lovers, is that the just do not want to depend on some remote third party in another country to just play their games...

And - yes I know about the "temp off-line" modus, but that is NOT the same as "not being depended of remote third party's to install and run their games".

Why is it so difficult to just grant the above mentioned users that opinion?

Guess it is some kind of fanaticism to fiercely deny the right to have another opinion, and that's the reason I lost my appetite to visit this part of the forum very often. For now - I am more interested in the upcoming X-Tended mod than I am for the new game, just because of this endless attacks. And that is sad in some way...

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