HA! That would be a reason TO use steam.NUKLEAR-SLUG wrote: ... Skynet style.

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Huh? The least? Mine is currently using less than 14mb, started with Windows. It generally goes to about 55mb while I'm using the client, and I have seen it go to 110mb or even 150mb at times. Never really paid attention to it before. Actually I only bother to look at all when it gets mentioned in this threadpissmaker wrote:Also the least amount of memory steam needs is ~100mb and only when started offline in tray.
Taken a step further, when a product has a reputation for causing problems, you just dont buy it. You spend your money on something else.the old one wrote:It amazes me how people have double standards,for example,if they were to buy a television and it had some niggling faults they would be back to the shop playing merry hell about the piece of cr*p they had just bought.Now to steam,according to many posts there are more than a few niggling faults yet they are quite prepared to except them,it really amazes me, it is like saying when is my turn in the barrel so you can ***** me some more.As you can see i am not steam conpatable,but would pay more for a non steam version from egosoft,the old one
Problem is, and here is where you miss the point, Steam has not a bad reputation and it has not faults, from where I stand. Rumours and general fuss created by a few that try to give impression all is how they say it is. Its not! No matter how much you try you will not find an excuse not to use Steam other than that you can (exception to those that have no Internet access at all).apricotslice wrote:Taken a step further, when a product has a reputation for causing problems, you just dont buy it. You spend your money on something else.
No its not. Its built into the cost of the games you buy that require it. The more games you buy, the more it actually costs you.edammer wrote:Also steam is free
Thats what I mean. The line is 100% wide. I've found steam more and more alarming as this thread has gone along, in spite of the people with no problems with it. In retail when I was in it, 3% failure rate was acceptable, anything more wasnt. I rate things like steam much the same way. More than 3% of the people I know talking about who have problems, and I tag it with a big "be wary of it" flag. So maybe I'm being paranoid. But I'd rather be wrong my way than yours.Ketraar wrote:Problem is, and here is where you miss the point, Steam has not a bad reputation and it has not faults, from where I stand.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm enjoying a good discussion and putting in my 5c every now and then.EmperorJon wrote:@apricotslice, No personal offence intended and I respect your opinion, but...
Lots of us have already said nobody's going to change their mind. I don't think anyone will or has from this thread. But I find it a little odd that you insist on repeatedly posting, over and over again, trying to convince... somebody that Steam is WRONG.
No rage here. I'm the iceberg that sank the titanic.We know you don't like it... I mean, now the rage is redirected at Egosoft, at digital distribution in general as an excuse for releasing bad games, at X3R and X3TC as bugged games from the start, etc. etc... do you think you could tone it down a bit? Once again, if this offends you in any way, I'll I dunno, delete the post or something. Anyway.
Errr, tone what down ? I've been critical of Egosoft and their bug issues for donkeys years, I'm not about to stop now, just because forced-auto-updating is the next best thing since sliced bread for them. I was the one spearheading the bug fixes for X3, and while not all issues were addressed, we did make a lot of noise at the time and got a lot of successful fixes put into X3 that flowed into TC and made it a less buggy game. So I'm not recorded as their number one fan as a result. I can live with that.do you think you could tone it down a bit?
Once again, if this offends you in any way, I'll I dunno, delete the post or something.
Well it depends on your definition of "broken". By mine, within the concept of stand alone gaming, it is. But let me define that a little better. Its not so much Steam thats broken, its that XR in needing steam is broken. I wont be buying XR with steam in it.Ketraar wrote:Sure you do, IF you are wiling to actually "listen" to people here or otherwise, you realise that most people don't have issues with Steam other than personal feelings. There are NO technical issues with Steam, it works, so the comparison with a broken TV is way off.
Well, for me it has nothing to do with personal feelings and i dont listen to others if i made a bad expirience myself......Ketraar wrote:Sure you do, IF you are wiling to actually "listen" to people here or otherwise, you realise that most people don't have issues with Steam other than personal feelings. There are NO technical issues with Steam, it works, so the comparison with a broken TV is way off.
Personal feelings towards anything are allowed, as everyone should make up their own mind, but what strikes me is that people will try to find excuses to justify their actions and sometimes make up ones given lack of real excuses. If you don't like it don't use it, that's excuse enough, but misinforming others is not the right thing to do.
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How about those of us in "notspots", where our speeds are abysmal? I've already gone over the reasons why Steam isn't for me - and the clincher - that my connection could drop during the download of an update, rendering the game unplayable until my connection returns (the stickler, really - I could download a standalone patch just fine under such conditions, as an interrupted download won't prevent me from playing).Ketraar wrote:(exception to those that have no Internet access at all).
The key point, I thinkfrom where I stand.
That was my pointesd wrote:The key point, I thinkfrom where I stand.
Better find the quote then, because my recollection was that Bernd left it as clear as mud.Ketraar wrote:...its NOT TRUE for XR, this was made clear about 80 pages ago (more or less).
I didn't say "huge amount of data". It only has to be "a download" for what I describe to occur - especially when your connection drops out as much as mine!Ketraar wrote:1. I'm one of those with crappy connection, lots of disconnects and the occasional drop in speed, still use Steam and have no issues. I make use of my con at work to download stuff and backup-move it home. Apart from free or demos, I only own boxed DVD games, inkl. Steamworks games, so not often need to DL huge amount of data.
I didn't say that, either.2. You don't need to be online ALL THE TIME
The game isn't finished, so i don't think even they know what they plan to do with steam and what level they want to integrate it. Just like how mod-able the game will be etc, some things will require time to figure out.apricotslice wrote:Better find the quote then, because my recollection was that Bernd left it as clear as mud.Ketraar wrote:...its NOT TRUE for XR, this was made clear about 80 pages ago (more or less).
A lot of the uncertainty is because Egosoft has not made it definite exactly how much steam interaction is needed to run the game. So far there has only been assumption based on "steamworks" being mentioned.
A definitive statement from Egosoft would go a long way to clearing things up.
I see. You won't use Steam (a free download) because it has niggling faults, but are prepared to pay more than retail for a game that will almost certainly have faults at release, as all software does. You're right, that is amazing!the old one wrote:It amazes me how people have double standards,for example,if they were to buy a television and it had some niggling faults they would be back to the shop playing merry hell about the piece of cr*p they had just bought.Now to steam,according to many posts there are more than a few niggling faults yet they are quite prepared to except them,it really amazes me, it is like saying when is my turn in the barrel so you can ***** me some more.As you can see i am not steam conpatable,but would pay more for a non steam version from egosoft,the old one![]()
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Actually, its modability will have been worked out years ago, as what can be modded and how is built into the core of how the game is designed. What goes in the exe cant be modded. What goes in external files, should be modable. They have already said the compression and storage of external files has changed.the-danzorz wrote:The game isn't finished, so i don't think even they know what they plan to do with steam and what level they want to integrate it. Just like how mod-able the game will be etc, some things will require time to figure out.
I too would pay a bit more for a steam free version. And I KNOW XR will be released buggy. No avoiding that. I know I will have to download a patch before I can play the game. But at least with a steam free version, I have complete control of that process.strude wrote:I see. You won't use Steam (a free download) because it has niggling faults, but are prepared to pay more than retail for a game that will almost certainly have faults at release, as all software does. You're right, that is amazing!
Oh and you can now claim all you like that Egosoft always fix their games, but I don't think any of the previous titles could be called completely niggling fault free at the end of their support lifetime.