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CBJ wrote:
jamesormiston wrote:Maybe the company is struggling?
Maybe Rebirth is being considered for cancellation by the higher ups so they don't want to release new info till they decide if it will go ahead?
Maybe its already cancelled and someone, somewhere is fighting for its reinstatement before the cancellation is announced formally...?
The game has not been cancelled and to my knowledge there has been no consideration of cancellation. As I have said on numerous occasions, all of us are still working hard on it. I wouldn't be reading this thread and posting replies saying we were working on it if this were not the case, because a) that would make me a liar and b) I would probably be out of a job if the game had been cancelled anyway!

I'm afraid I don't fully understand the logic of writing something off as "dead" just because you don't have an endless stream of information about it. It is perfectly normal for there to be a fanfare at initial announcement time, then a long-ish pause, and then a much bigger fanfare in the month or two leading up to release. It's perhaps worth reminding people that a key component of any marketing campaign is timing. Running one too far in advance of release makes no sense, as you want the game to be in people's mind when it's available, not months before. Similarly running one for months on end, or giving away too much information before you start, risks spoiling the impact of the campaign with people feeling that you're just re-hashing material they've already seen.

Of course I do understand the frustration of wanting to know more about something you are looking forward to. It's like wanting to know what's in the carefully-wrapped presents you see around the house in the days or weeks leading up to Christmas when you're a kid. And in some ways, the reasons parents don't let you peek are the same reasons that developers and publishers save up the best material for the pre-release publicity.

Perhaps another reason people seem to be expecting something different is the recent explosion of crowd-funded development, which requires a completely different approach. This is essentially because they are asking people to "buy" the product at the start of the development process rather than at the end, and that, of course, means that marketing has to start right at the beginning of the process rather than towards the end. It also means that those people who have already put up money have to be kept informed, much as a developer following the traditional model needs to keep their publisher or other financial backer informed. Different development models require different approaches, though, and the fact that this is the right approach for a crowd-funded game does not suddenly mean that it's the right approach for a traditionally-funded game.
It saddens me to see how much effort you've put into writing this answer, knowing that 3 pages later the same question will come up again... and again...
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Well, that can't be avoided. It'll stop when the game come out though.
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squirrelrider wrote: It saddens me to see how much effort you've put into writing this answer, knowing that 3 pages later the same question will come up again... and again...
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Shouldn't that tell you all you need to know though?...there's a reason it comes up so much. It's a big problem....its the only thing this forum has to talk about as in the last 2 years we have exhausted every little nugget they have given us....
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Post by shea »

Thanks for that CBJ,But i still cant understand why a few screenshots every week cant be posted,Sure if there was more and more people would visit the forums and wouldnt forget about the game,I sent deepsilver(uk,de and .com)emails about new information about the X rebirth or a release date and no reply from them,Its a pitty 1C wasnt the publisher as when Cliffs of Dover was being developed we got new screenshots every week,Even the new game IL2 game coming out gives Q and A every friday.Egosoft ditch Deepsilver :wink:
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This thread, as the former one starting to get really pathetic once again.
Some people here acts like spoiled unpatient children.

Do you really think your pathetic constant nagging will get you anywhere ?
Do you really have so much time that you can spend hours after hours, day after day writing endless posts about paranoid conspiracy of thoughts ?

I aswell looking forward to this game, its actually my number 1 coming this year, but ffs ppl, patient !!!!

If CBJ, a part of Egosoft says it's not cancelled, why dont trust he's word, there is really no reason for him to lie about it, that would either way be uncovered later on anyway.
Sure, Egosoft is no Blizzard Entertainment, with 4700+ employees, but they have always delivered, and I'm confident they keep that up.

There is a say... "All good things come to he who waits".
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LTerSlash wrote:The problem is, releasing a teaser video 2 years ago and them nothing, literally, make people belive the game was cancelled or its about to, every person i told and shared that teaser with, today, they either dont care or think the game was cancelled.
Hey that is what i pointed out a few weeks ago :)
I totally agree. It is the most important frustrating things for me.

Teaser / News / Screenshot / ... blackout ... / Screenshot / ... blackout ...

And probably the best one : (Gamescom 2012)
- X fan : Hello Deep silver i'm huge fan of X series, can you gice us news on X:R ?
- DS : Uh ... x:r
... Hum let me check my up to date intranet.
... Hum ... Yes that's it
... the game was released last year sir.
- X fan : ...

:D

But nevermind, Deep silver are just so stupid ...
CBJ told us this was delayed because tons of work was added , so this mean more bug correction and more features probably ! And this smell really good for the game.

I'm just upset about deepsilver personnaly.
CBJ wrote:Running one too far in advance of release makes no sense, as you want the game to be in people's mind when it's available, not months before.
I agree, is there an hidden information behind this ?
Maybe you can feed our curiosity with something out of the game.

* On how many weeks the game will be elased after the marketing campaigns start.
* Is this will be release both on steam and store at the same time ?
* Who will make the marketing campaign, ES or DS ?
* Will we be able to see the game at some game convention like E3 etc ?
* Is it programmed to give a beta access to this game ?

What i try to explain is (sorry for my english :shock: ), you don't need to give us some news about the game itself or the included features.

Are you (or someone) else able to give us this kind of information ?
Can we hope for another announcement like the steam focus ?

Thank you !
And keep the good work, i'm totally sure this game will be awesome.
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CBJ wrote:
jamesormiston wrote:Maybe the company is struggling?
Maybe Rebirth is being considered for cancellation by the higher ups so they don't want to release new info till they decide if it will go ahead?
Maybe its already cancelled and someone, somewhere is fighting for its reinstatement before the cancellation is announced formally...?
I'm afraid I don't fully understand the logic of writing something off as "dead" just because you don't have an endless stream of information about it. It is perfectly normal for there to be a fanfare at initial announcement time, then a long-ish pause, and then a much bigger fanfare in the month or two leading up to release. It's perhaps worth reminding people that a key component of any marketing campaign is timing. Running one too far in advance of release makes no sense, as you want the game to be in people's mind when it's available, not months before. Similarly running one for months on end, or giving away too much information before you start, risks spoiling the impact of the campaign with people feeling that you're just re-hashing material they've already seen.
Trying to dissect CBJ's words, this is what I was hoping to hear. X:R should hopefully be released no longer than two months after its marketing campaign begins. No silly extended 6 month delay.

Still hope for an April release date? Still hope for an Q2 or Q3 release I suppose, even if Q3 is an eternity away!
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The problem is that there was so much content release a while ago people started thinking the game was very close to being finished and therefore released which is why people think that it might be cancelled. We all know its not cancelled because that just wouldn't happen, worse came to worse and Egosoft started running out of money they could release it without quite the completed state they wanted to achieve and fix that in updates. They don't want to have to do that which is why its not been released yet.

I'm not sure I can understand why a release date hasn't been announced yet because as I have said, from what I've seen the game looked like it was nearing completion and perhaps that was a mistake on Egosoft's or their publishers part. They released too much and got the hype too high even though it wasn't near enough to completion so that level of hype shouldn't have been achieved.
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Well CBJ, I appreciate that you haven't destroyed your computer after reading endless repetitions of the same questions, so I ask you this:

Are you in good health?
How are your colleagues?
Do you enjoy your work?
How good is that beer going to taste when the product is out and you can all take a day off?

Thanks for the hard work.
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i do feel a bit alienated due to lack of info bout any release date. i have the home page book marked, and every day i keep checking the main news page hoping maybe theres an announcement regarding Rebirth. nope, nope and nope, but end of the day not much we can really do about it. i dont think its even down to Egosoft weather they can tell us more info or what ever. probabgly deep silver telling egosoft to put a lid on it. they are the publishers and they the ones funding it, so i guess they have control over it.
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LTerSlash wrote:The problem is, releasing a teaser video 2 years ago and them nothing, literally, make people belive the game was cancelled or its about to, every person i told and shared that teaser with, today, they either dont care or think the game was cancelled.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, but nevertheless I did explain this before. It was a while back and in the first incarnation of this thread, though, so I'll quote it again here for you.
CBJ wrote:The information about the game that you've seen here on this forum should be considered a little sneak preview that we were able to persuade the publishers to let us show you in advance of any kind of marketing campaign. We did this because we wanted to let you guys know what we were up to, so that we didn't have to keep referring to "TNBT". At the time we did this the forums were awash with rumours of our untimely demise, and we wanted to show people that that wasn't the case. Of course instead we now have a whole new bunch of rumours and conspiracy theories, but hey, plus ça change!
jamesormiston wrote:I get this, and I wasn't suggesting the game were actually cancelled as I pointed out, just that I have seen the alienation of the fans in all this secrecy, and as great as the final reveal may be what does a few screenshots or a goodwill video of content already announced (maybe a flyby of a capital ship, it need only be 7 seconds long) to keep everyone placated hurt in the sales or hype department as it wont hurt your final reveal? A few months of darkness, as you said, builds tension, but a couple of years makes the fans feel like they've been forgotten in favor of obscure marketing tactics, and the true strength of this game series lay, and still lies, in its fanbase...so it doesn't seem economically viable, let alone, polite, to leave them hanging for so long.
I didn't say anything about building tension. The gap between the initial announcement of development and the pre-release marketing campaign is to allow the game to be developed, not some "obscure marketing tactics" involving building tension. The time to market a game is when it's nearly ready for release; it's as simple as that. As for "leaving people hanging" or "forgetting" them, that's emotive language and pretty disingenuous at that. Going back to the Christmas present analogy, it's a bit like using the line "if you loved me you'd tell me what was in that parcel" on your parents!
shea wrote:But i still cant understand why a few screenshots every week cant be posted,
The irony of this is that when we were posting weekly screenshots, people were complaining that it wasn't enough and demanded videos. When we provided a video they demanded gameplay information. The reality is that no matter what we provide, people will always want more, and this thread will run on regardless, with those people who are inclined to do so getting irate and impatient. Again, we know people want more information, but despite what some of those may people think, doing what they want isn't always the right course of action when the bigger picture is taken into account.
shea wrote:Sure if there was more and more people would visit the forums and wouldnt forget about the game...
Having a busy and active forum with lots of discussion going on is nice, and we have a great community here many of whom stick around to chat even when they are not actively playing any of our games. However it isn't actually essential that everyone who might be interested in our next game hangs around here for the entire duration of the game's development. The people who stay, playing the existing games and chatting about their hopes for the next one, form the core of the community, but the vast majority of people just get on with their lives until they hear about a game they want to play. That's where the marketing campaign comes in, and that's when it's important to get them here and get them excited about the release. Of course it's great if they've already heard about the game a while back and the marketing is just a reminder, but that too is just a bonus.
Toramo wrote:* On how many weeks the game will be elased after the marketing campaigns start.
* Is this will be release both on steam and store at the same time ?
* Who will make the marketing campaign, ES or DS ?
* Will we be able to see the game at some game convention like E3 etc ?
We are the developers; we don't do marketing. That's the publisher's job, and they're not likely to tell you what the marketing campaign will consist of in advance, because that would be self-defeating.
Toramo wrote:* Is it programmed to give a beta access to this game ?
What do you think DevNet and the DevNet NDA are for? ;)
Nidanal wrote:Are you in good health?
How are your colleagues?
Do you enjoy your work?
How good is that beer going to taste when the product is out and you can all take a day off?
We're doing well, thanks for asking! Every job has its ups and downs, but I can say from my own experience that working on software features "because they are cool" is a whole lot more satisfying them than working on software features because they are, for example, required by government regulations. I also don't think anyone would work in the games industry if they didn't fundamentally enjoy what they were doing. As for the beer and the day off, you can't even begin to imagine... :)
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Prelude was a disappointment in that it was nothing new (not really). I've waited and waited and waited, It saddens me.
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In other words Deepsilver is controling all information and everything that is happening before game is released....Ego job is to develop game and Deepsilver is doing marketing and information for game...(so we are barking up the wrong tree ) :D Anyway Deepsilver have more experience than EGO with game releases that's why they are doing what Deep. tell them to do because Ego want's to be successful(and i do to because they will make better games in future )...If Deep. is right about this strategy we don't know because we don't have expirience like they do...Time will tell what is going to hapen...Anyway Ego cant do nothing about this until marketing or after game release :? And they can than support us with information and tec services :D I't looks like game is not almost done or marketing would start by now so game is not going to be out anytime soon and this is big game for EGO so they will give it extra time for marketing too :D But that's up to Deepsilver when and how they are going to do it :(


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avante999 wrote:"There is no "ignore policy". We have explained more than once why we cannot give out more information. The fact that people want more information does not negate those reasons, and not giving them that information does not equate to ignoring them."
avante999 wrote: If you can't publish ANY info, because the big guys wont let you, well I understand it is not your fault and doing. I can imagine a lot of people working on X:R are not thrilled about this as well.

You know, I my country we have a saying: "the customer is king" and I've heard the English phrase "the customer is always right" dozens of times.
In this case WE are not king nor are we right. It's EGOSOFT's way or the highway...simple as that. And I totally disagreed with the comment that ..."not giving them that information does not equate to ignoring them.". Sorry...but yes it does. It equates to "We'll let them blow off steam, not give them any information, and they'll still be back. Why? Because this is how we run things." Very bad way to treat your loyal customers. Those that will be buying your product and keeping you in business.

Yes, that is true. Sad AND true. :cry:
avante999 wrote: All I am saying is; some one otherwordly is very wrong in not releasing ANY info to the masses.
You'd think releasing SOME info (c'mon...a screenshot maybe? But even that is asking too much)...and if the game is even halfway done, 3/4, 7/10, 3/31, WHATEVER...a company that wants to keep supporters would release something to keep us coming back for more.

But, alas, they do not. And they anger and are swift to mute those that look for more information or at least display their frustration for the lack of information.
avante999 wrote: I hope X:R will be an epic game, but I also any following X will be funded and published like Star Citizen. Man I just love updates & transparancy!
I'm sure it will be. I have no doubts in that regard. If anything, EGOSOFT produces KILLER products!! That's never been questioned. Only their ability to keep their customers, those that pad their pockets, in the dark.


And yes...I have returned. :twisted:
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Night Nord wrote:1th April: Bernd official open letter: "We have an exiting news today: we absolutely surely confirm that there is still no release date available! And, BTW, we still in love with Steam."
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This is friggin' hilarious!! Best thing I've read so far!!!

Thank you for lightening the load a bit. At least for me! :goner:
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Some good news to pass the time :D

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... o-mars.cnn

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I think Egosoft knows what it's doing. The only thing left to do is wait until the game is done. It may take a while for the game to ship, but there are plenty of other interesting things happening in the meantime. That's just my take on it.
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Post by Fallent »

The waiting around for a release date sucks. If the game isn't released until the end of 2013 it will suck even more. I'm talking more suckage than a porn star with a vacuum cleaner.

But it's not really fair to have a go at CBJ or direct your frustration at him. He's done more than any other Egosoft employee, minus Bernd, in giving us information about the game and it's progress.

If it wasn't for him I think most of us would of jumped off the Egoship, shouting sinking, long ago.

Edit: When's the next newsletter due anyhow?
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Fallent wrote:The waiting around for a release date sucks. If the game isn't released until the end of 2013 it will suck even more. I'm talking more suckage than a porn star with a vacuum cleaner.
AAAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! :D

I have all the patience in the world. I hope they don't release this game until it is absolutely flawless, but it would be nice to have a more precise release date. If I knew I had enough time I might even build a new PC so I can play X Rebirth on maximum settings. Otherwise I may have to settle with a quick hardware upgrade, or worse: lower settings!
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jamesormiston wrote:Read it again, I'm not asking for a simple confirmation that yes, the game is going to be out this year, I'm asking for some proof that it will be...
I read it perfectly well the first time:
jamesormiston previously wrote:We just want to know that there is still going to be a game this year, cause it's been 2 years now with little more than a few pictures of drones to go on
And when X2-Illuminatus provided exactly that, confirmation from someone official that the game was still due this year, you said:
jamesormiston previously wrote:I know what they've said, but they said that in 2011 too...and 2012...
It depends on the language used in 2011 and 2012 - did Egosoft say that the game will be released in either of those years, or did they say that the game was planned for release. If the latter, then plans change, and it was never a firm commitment. The language I've heard this time is much more suggestive of commitment to release in 2013.

Even so, unfortunately, nothing is certain. If the pizza companies in Germany suddenly went on strike, a disaster of that magnitude could cause considerable distress in Egosoft, and the devs, lacking the fuel they require for their best efforts, may slip behind and cause it to be delayed even further.

It's a question of how likely something is to come up and further delay the game. Reading between the lines of recent posts by ES employees, they foresee no likelihood of major delays, and are confident of release this year.

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