X3AP version 2.0 – The war continues

[Ripskar]

The main plot had to do with the Argon War Effort.

The new plots have completion of that as a requirement.

The Terran Revitalization Project is working on adding the new plots but will result in ***MODIFIED***.

I can't believe we're being driven to this...

Seems to be the Perfect Solution to me.

If you ignore the fact that we're losing Tech Support and risking conflicts with future patches...

[Skinmeister]

[TTD]

I must admit that I read it that not limiting other options meant PHQ etc would be in Terran and Aldrin starts etc.

However, I guess it is down to interpretation of German translated to English.

[Sam97531]

if you stopped trolling and midly educated yourself, you would find it easily countered in the WAR! section. he left out the remaining portion of that segment that details what options you have as a terran commander.

It is rather embarassing to attack someone and ask them to "midly" educate themselves, when your posts lack the grammar, punctuation and acknowledgement of previous points made. Prior to 5 days ago, there was no mention of added equipment being unavailable to the Terran Players. We are not talking about actual story line. I will quote the War section from the Survival Guide:

"The main game plot story is available from the Argon Peacekeeper gamestart but not the Terran Commander one."

(1) First, you will notice the mention of the plot is listed to ONE start only. Because prior to this, they state that only the two new AP starts have War access.

(2) Who in their right mind decided to link the massive content-boost known as PHQ/UFJD/HUB to the damn main plot? It would have been trivial to have them unconnected like some generic plot available from some no-faction indestructible ship - like has been done before.

So, while your reputation ensures you will continue your behaviour, I'll explain our points once again.

(a) We don't mind no plot. We knew there was no plot. No plot never stopped us from buying factories, or doing certain kinds of generic missions, or boarding or etc.

(b) Prior to 5 days ago, there wasn't a single mention of PHQ/HuB/UFJD being even tied to "the" plot. People were totally in the dark discussing whether it would cost something like 500 million creds, or would you need 40000 microships again. That is a very clear indicator that everyone was expecting it.

(c) There is no indication, anywhere, that you would not get access to these items because you played Terran Commander. Not in game, and not out of game. Ever according to the War section, no one other than Argon Peace Keeper should have access to HUB/PHQ/UFJD. Of course, that would be a slap in the face of most players.. so somehow, a slap in the face of significant percentage was done instead.

[dlryan]

Firstly, that wasn't in this thread, and secondly, it was said when someone asked. They answered a question. How can you blame them for that?

Yeah you're right in that it wasn't said in this thread, I read the title too quickly. It was still only five days ago though, which is the important part.

The matter we 'blame' them for is previously having told us everything apart from the main plot would be available for Terrans, when this was a lie.

it was recommended for new players because it was a tutorial plot. =P after that if you wanted to play terran again theres was a USC commander and the aldran adventurer, and you picked one depending if you wanted to redo the first half of the terran plotline or not.

and mr. egosoft representative (CBJ) DID state in the survival guide under the WAR! section that only the argon side of the war had plots enabled.

Thank you for reminding me on that one.

The main game plot story is available from the Argon Peacekeeper gamestart but not the Terran Commander one.

Aside from the plot, choosing one of these gamestarts does not limit your other options in the game.

"*THE* plot". "Does NOT limit your other options in the game".

I can not see how this is a totally clear statement to not expect future plots and most of all how this is an announcement that one of the game starts would not feature PHQ/HUB/UFJD, which are pretty much implied by "other options in the game".

So no, Catra, i understand you're valiantly trying to defend ES out of whatever mislead fanboy reasons ever, but what you said is simply not true.

Also, the terran defender start was not only a tutorial start - i played my longest game of TC ever from that gamestart. Trying to diminish the role of the past terran defender start to counter my argument is a bit questionable.

This post sums everything up perfectly, and has yet to be countered.

if you stopped trolling and midly educated yourself, you would find it easily countered in the WAR! section. he left out the remaining portion of that segment that details what options you have as a terran commander.

Catra, you appear to be the troll.
And you're very wrong on the subject, egosoft stated specificly that other than the main plot, Terran starts would not miss out on other elements of the game.
Patch notes have labeled Hub/PHQ as mini plot's. Therefore, not the main plot. Therefore, Terran starts are missing out on other elements of the game. (Altogether, over 50% of the god damn gameplay)

[eldyranx3]

*Listens to the dissent*

Guys, lets try to be civil. It's a game after all. There's no need for name calling or personal insults.

< Totally agreed. Not only is it uncalled for but it is against forum rules and will result in action taken against individuals if it persists. If anyone considers that they are being upset by trolling posts then do not rise to the bait or make accusations in the forum but just PM a Moderator and we will take it from there. We cannot act further in this case as responding posts infringed many forum rules as well and our only recourse now would be to brutalise or lock the thread. Alan Phipps, Moderator.>

[Sam97531]

*Listens to the dissent*

Guys, lets try to be civil. It's a game after all. There's no need for name calling or personal insults.

Catra has a way of bringing out the worst in people - but you are correct.

I am hoping egosoft simply adds the availability to AP terran players, even if it will cost 250-500 mil for each piece or so.

Question, I am aware that other starts can access the War plot apparently, does anyone know if Terran Defender can? (Not Commander).

[StarTroll]

Let's hope for the Terran players that they will make a 2.1 with an alternative way to get accesss to the mini plots.
As more of a Boron player I'm very happy about this update and thaht the Megalodon is finally on par to its category.

[TTD]

seconded !

I do not usually play Terran,but I am hoping to in this game.
However,if the PHQ/UFJD does not make it to Terran Start,I do not see a reason to play those starts.

[Jumee]

seconded !

I do not usually play Terran,but I am hoping to in this game.
However,if the PHQ/UFJD does not make it to Terran Start,I do not see a reason to play those starts.

does it work if you just cheat it in? you can always take something like 300 millions of your account to pretend that you "bought" it?

[CBJ]

There are way too many personal attacks going on in this thread. The moderators, and only the moderators, will decide if someone is "trolling" and will deal with it appropriately.

By all means discuss what you do and don't like about the game, and about the 2.0 patch, but keep it civil.

[wRAR]

seconded !

I do not usually play Terran,but I am hoping to in this game.
However,if the PHQ/UFJD does not make it to Terran Start,I do not see a reason to play those starts.

does it work if you just cheat it in? you can always take something like 300 millions of your account to pretend that you "bought" it?

Especially as it looks like you need to go modified when you play Terran anyway...

[TTD]

seconded !

I do not usually play Terran,but I am hoping to in this game.
However,if the PHQ/UFJD does not make it to Terran Start,I do not see a reason to play those starts.

does it work if you just cheat it in? you can always take something like 300 millions of your account to pretend that you "bought" it?

Especially as it looks like you need to go modified when you play Terran anyway...

UFJD works.

PHQ has not got RE function

Hub sector cannot be connected without additional mods.

Using Cycrow's Cheat package.

There is a mod which connects any gate to any gate,which might work with this.

There might be a PHQ Mod which is more functional.

Ask in S/M forum

[Starnick]

To throw my two cents in:

I can understand at least the main plot, because AP seems very Argon-centric. Although I don't know why they couldn't also have something from a terran perspective (most games do have missions for both warring sides). But that's another story, as I never fully understood the deal with the Terran Conflict main plot either. (honestly it didn't feel like a cold war of any sort and at times felt downright confusing)

But for player headquarters (and maybe the HUB, more so for the headquarters) it strikes me as very odd. If playing terran disables the main plot and is intended for a challenging "sandbox" play, isn't a player headquarters a worthy "end-game" sandbox goal to reach when building an economic empire? And starting terran would definitely be classified as "hard mode sandbox play". So why not just make it harder, but still achievable?

The decision -not- to include these features for terrans goes against the whole idea behind sandbox play, where the player can do whatever they want. Make it harder for terrans to get access, make it where the mission is you have to bribe corrupt officials. But to say no, your side isn't going to win and is just a suicidal game mode (without such a disclaimer) to try and play seems...lazy.

If its because you're going for whatever story canon exists out there, well how often do you see C&C games where playing as NOD results in the bad guys winning! Have a non-canon end for pete's sake. Afterall it is a sandbox...

I did enjoy TC and I was enjoying AP (and waiting for player headquarters). But it doesn't quite matter anymore, as I lost those saved games wrestling with a computer failure the last few weeks. So I guess I'm starting Humble Merchant to enjoy playing with Terran ships...

[Jumee]

To throw my two cents in:

I can understand at least the main plot, because AP seems very Argon-centric. Although I don't know why they couldn't also have something from a terran perspective (most games do have missions for both warring sides). But that's another story, as I never fully understood the deal with the Terran Conflict main plot either. (honestly it didn't feel like a cold war of any sort and at times felt downright confusing)

But for player headquarters (and maybe the HUB, more so for the headquarters) it strikes me as very odd. If playing terran disables the main plot and is intended for a challenging "sandbox" play, isn't a player headquarters a worthy "end-game" sandbox goal to reach when building an economic empire? And starting terran would definitely be classified as "hard mode sandbox play". So why not just make it harder, but still achievable?

The decision -not- to include these features for terrans goes against the whole idea behind sandbox play, where the player can do whatever they want. Make it harder for terrans to get access, make it where the mission is you have to bribe corrupt officials. But to say no, your side isn't going to win and is just a suicidal game mode (without such a disclaimer) to try and play seems...lazy.

If its because you're going for whatever story canon exists out there, well how often do you see C&C games where playing as NOD results in the bad guys winning! Have a non-canon end for pete's sake. Afterall it is a sandbox...

I did enjoy TC and I was enjoying AP (and waiting for player headquarters). But it doesn't quite matter anymore, as I lost those saved games wrestling with a computer failure the last few weeks. So I guess I'm starting Humble Merchant to enjoy playing with Terran ships...

I think the reason behind not having PHQ/Hub/UFJD is not really a matter of story/cannon/whatever but a matter of time or to be more precise lack of it.

[Catra]

doubt it was a time issue since it was released early.

[Jumee]

doubt it was a time issue since it was released early.

maybe than not wanting to allocate any resources/effort into it? Well, anyway, doesn't matter much since I have my HQ irregardless

[DarkKlown77]

No hub/HQ if you play Terran...

The Hub plot took up well over 50% of my time doing anything in X3 TC.

I much prefer playing Terran.

Do you see what I am getting at?

I appreciate the work on the patch and the weekend release, but that has removed half the game for every Terran player. Thanks but no thanks. I will continue to play TC exclusively.

There's a reason many people didn't play AP; It was for the HUB/HQ. This patch does absolutely nothing for those playing Terran. (Guess that's a good 50% of players maybe?)

Jesus, stop your crying already.

[WeriTis]

Jesus, stop your crying already.

The only one "crying" here is you. Your post is pure flame, while the post you quoted had listed reasons.

[DarkKlown77]

Jesus, stop your crying already.

The only one "crying" here is you. Your post is pure flame, while the post you quoted had listed reasons.

Not gonna keep this going, but i'm guessing your one of the "terran players who got screwed" aren't ya...