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Night Nord wrote:Really, most of X-series games in table clicking - NPC go here, trade there, do this, etc...
Maybe the latter games are like this, but not the first one. And Rebirth is much more a reboot than a step forward.
(you may walk on stations and trade/communicate with NPCs).
Unless you mean station platforms, no.
Subsystems are just logical continuation of what we have already - weapon interchange, modular equipment/software, missile launchers...
You clearly have no idea of what subsystems are and how they impact the gameplay. It is not just fancy stuff. Tactics and tools change completely.
What is really new is RPG alike research-tree for stations. But again, you may see it as simple-and-easy preset complex construction. UI advancement.
Given the wide array of choices, "preset" is too far streched.
Can you mount weapons on X3 complexes (just an example) ? Then it is not just the UI...
X2 already had mandatory plot.
Wrong. None of the X games ever had a mandatory plot.
Highways are solar system/terran accelerators with in-game animation instead of movie (more or less).
Wrong again. You can influence course and even exit midway of local highways.
We have a LOT of information about them already, what exactly is unclear about them?
So what ? The point is Rebirth is not how much information is publicly available, but the differences between Rebirth and past X games.
All you mentioned are not details, but we got a lot of information about every topic, so everything that left untold are details. I have a pretty complete picture of what we are getting here, and you?
Given all the errors above, I would rather say you do not have a clear picture of the next game, sorry.
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Rebirth has been in development for 5+ years, with a custom made, engine for space simulation games, and still the work is not done, SC is promising a game in 2 years with a FPS engine. You have to be realistic in what you can get from both games, one with will be really immersive, while the other will be strong in multiplayer, hopefully, and with a bit of luck, a single player experience, that, while impressive in gameplay, will not offer much replayability, and the judge is still out if they will stick to the timetable. Rebirth will come out, and because of being such a fresh product, with no spoilers, can do well, as players praise the game and build, a steady word of mouth marketing campaign, like previous games.
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And if the game stinks, then we all would have wasted all our time on this forum anticipating the next sliver of information to come out from Egosoft.
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santi wrote:Rebirth has been in development for 5+ years, with a custom made, engine for space simulation games, and still the work is not done, SC is promising a game in 2 years with a FPS engine. You have to be realistic in what you can get from both games, one with will be really immersive, while the other will be strong in multiplayer, hopefully, and with a bit of luck, a single player experience, that, while impressive in gameplay, will not offer much replayability, and the judge is still out if they will stick to the timetable.
You are probably right about Rebirth being better at replayability, but I don't think it is a matter of which engine is used.
If there are limitations due to the engine, I'd expect them to show up in things like behavior at long distances. As in, what happens if you fly 500km away from the sector center :?:
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I haven't read this particular thread in a while and don't seem to be regretting it. Just the same argument every few pages about the release of info and the justification of hiding it. (I bet Alan has gotten tired of splitting this thread :P)

As everyone knows all of us that have been playing the X series for a while will more than likely buy X:R. Doesn't matter if they released info or not. If you are interested enough to check the forums and post to complain about it you have an interest as well. Suppose that Egosoft is hiding all info on purpose and it is their decision and not Deepsilvers' to remain discreet, so what? You wouldn't ask an artist to see his painting before it is done nor a musician to hear thier tracks before they get them mixed down and if you did they proly wouldn't let you see or hear anyways. You know what you would accept it then and just wait until it is done. Game development is an art just in a different form so I can't blame them one little bit for not releasing anything.

If you want to complain about the delays in the release then take a look back through the 100 pages of this thread of other people doing the same. Honestly if you know anything at all about game development then you will know that creating a game from scratch including the engine is going to take some time. I would be worried if they had rushed something like that out.

One thing to remember is that the Ego team is excited to get their new game out. They want people to see what they have been working so hard on for the past 5 years. They want to hear what people have to say about their hard work. Delaying the release hurts them far more than it hurts us.

Overall I don't see the game getting delayed again. Egosoft employees need to get paid and I'm sure that the X:TC and X:AP profits have to be getting low at this point. Please lets not have such negative discussions about such a positive subject like X:R.
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Well said half0

It is definitely true, there is not one of us that come to these forums on a regular basis who will not be pulling their wallets out about as quickly as they can once the product is finished.

You are definitely right on about developers loving to share what they created. You know everyday they have a sense of gratification when they plug in a new module and it works better than even they could of imagined, and then seeing all of those modules start working together can be a beautiful thing when you remember back to what you started with and where you are now.
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There is an anicdotal tale I remember from the Professional Issues courses of my degree (perhaps paraphrased a bit):-
A man commissions an artist to paint him a fish. He comes back a week later and asks for the painting, at which time the artist takes out a canvas and with-in a few seconds paints the perfect fish. The man asks the artist what he had been doing all week, in response to which the artist shows him a drawer full of his previous attempts.
My point being, lets just wait for the proverbial perfect fish ;)
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Post by tufi1833 »

I know we are beating a dead horse here but at least it gives us something to talk about. I have no doubt XR will be a good game and I really would like to play it. I guess we would all like to get a little more information about it. At least let us know when the next piece of information is coming out :P By the way i think everyone who thinks we are complaining, you can see it like that, or you can see it as we are just giving our opinion and showing how we feel about this product. Im just hoping someone sees our concerns and do something about it. Once again, I don't question the quality of the game, I just would like to stay exited about it, its been a while since we've all heard from them. I love this X community for all they've done and I think of us as brothers fighting over dumb things if get what I mean :lol:
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I think X team that are making a game is doing awesome job and we are not angry at them. We are proud at them because they are making game like this for us and that we love to play :) They are just doing their job and there is nothing they can do to give us any info because if they do they will probably lose their job :( I will buy this game and probably will be good game and more what i expect...There are some bad things in game(AI or OOS battles...) but they are being fixed ( i hope )After all this is a good game.....Anyway i think most of us are angry on who ever is responsible for withholding information or who is in charge of game :evil:

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My guess is the release date will be late april. Around April 19th.

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Fallent wrote:My guess is the release date will be late april. Around April 19th.

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There is rumor that game will be released 4/1/2013 :roll:
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4th January? Nah, that's already gone past! ;) :roll:
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Nikola515 wrote: There is rumor that game will be released 4/1/2013 :roll:
Ha! They will at least give us a 3 or 4 month heads up... If we don't have info by September or October at the latest, look for the release date to move to 2014.
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It's this year + 1. Always. Update this every year.
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snwboardn21 wrote:
Nikola515 wrote: There is rumor that game will be released 4/1/2013 :roll:
Ha! They will at least give us a 3 or 4 month heads up... If we don't have info by September or October at the latest, look for the release date to move to 2014.
(4/1/2013) it's april fools day :P It was a joke :)
But you are right about 2014... I just pre orderd star citizen now hopefully i'm not going to get addicted to that game and forget everything about XR that i DON'T know :lol:
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EmperorJon wrote:4th January? Nah, that's already gone past! ;) :roll:
It's all depending on were you live.. :wink:

Example, 5/10/04 usually means 5 October 2004 in British English and May 10, 2004 in American English. To avoid any possible confusion, you should spell out the month or use the abbreviation.
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Yes, I know... :p
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Nikola515 wrote:
snwboardn21 wrote:
Nikola515 wrote: There is rumor that game will be released 4/1/2013 :roll:
Ha! They will at least give us a 3 or 4 month heads up... If we don't have info by September or October at the latest, look for the release date to move to 2014.
(4/1/2013) it's april fools day :P It was a joke :)
But you are right about 2014... I just pre orderd star citizen now hopefully i'm not going to get addicted to that game and forget everything about XR that i DON'T know :lol:
Ahhh I didn't even pick up on that. You know what would be a cruel april fools joke is for Bernd to make a post titled "X Rebirth Release details inside"


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Geek wrote: Maybe the latter games are like this, but not the first one. And Rebirth is much more a reboot than a step forward.
Yeap, it looks like going in spiral, but I still believe that it will be a spiral - i.e. loss of features in favor of improving rest of features. That's ok, but I doubt that EgoSoft will repeat it's previous errors. It's more or less obvious already that wider audience don't like too much routine work. We like make decisions and analysis, but not dumb carry goods from A to B over and over. And "improved fleet command" and "we a aiming that every option will be accessible though a few clicks" phrases, IMO, are just proving that Ego trying to simplify and organize the UI.
Unless you mean station platforms, no.
There are any other stations? And yes, still, how exactly docking capability affects gameplay? I knew only one way - Docking Computer to the rescue and wait for shields recharge =)
Subsystems are just logical continuation of what we have already - weapon interchange, modular equipment/software, missile launchers...
You clearly have no idea of what subsystems are and how they impact the gameplay. It is not just fancy stuff. Tactics and tools change completely.
And you just sound like you have. Enlighten us. I suppose it's like Nexus (IG3) or Terminus - you have a hull with hardpoints and a lot of modules you may fit into with different advantages and disadvantages. Consider this as a cheap way (for devs) to create one thousand ships with all possible combination. Of course customization feature is cool and allow for more smooth upgrade path, but that's just improvement of we already have - change ships + change weapons.
What is really new is RPG alike research-tree for stations. But again, you may see it as simple-and-easy preset complex construction. UI advancement.
Given the wide array of choices, "preset" is too far streched.
Can you mount weapons on X3 complexes (just an example) ? Then it is not just the UI...
I tend to disagree. It's just a bunch of presets in one schematic. You can go there or here. Same situation as with ships - you may create one thousand factory types or give player an opportunity to choice and upgrade his Solar Power Plant XS into XL over time. Same as making XL with S stations and CCKs.

And yes, you can't place laser towers around your complex. As modules could be destroyed separately - it IS a complex hub with laser towers. Just tightly placed (as nobody loves to tow stations into complexes - that's boring).
X2 already had mandatory plot.
Wrong. None of the X games ever had a mandatory plot.
In X2 plot was just independent from the player. If you are too slow - it will go without you. For me it's "mandatory" - I can't just say "it may wait until I get better ship and equipment", I shall run before it will trigger further. I doubt that they will repeat this again (as X3 feature was removal of rushing plot).

If you mean "mandatory" like in Freelancer - you can't take any other mission if you have plot mission or something like that. Well, it could be like that, but again - we don't know much about plot and it's mandatoriness and that's info you can't reveal without spoilers.

And that's not changing gameplay - just switch it off and be happy. Far from being radical change.
Wrong again. You can influence course and even exit midway of local highways.
You can't influence course too much (or you will exit midway). And yes, it's just tradelines (Trade Lanes) from Freelancer with same mechanics (I even hope that they will be interruptible as in Freelancer). So, what is exactly unclear about them?
So what ? The point is Rebirth is not how much information is publicly available, but the differences between Rebirth and past X games.
Point is that people whine "We got no info, give us more info!" while you sounds like being well informed. And about difference - nothing of what you've pointed out is changing gameplay radically (except tradelines - but that's long awaited change). Inertial physics would have change gameplay dramatically, for instance. Replacing ships variety with upgrade variety or what ever else from this list do not.
Given all the errors above, I would rather say you do not have a clear picture of the next game, sorry.
Given amount of arguments you've missed out of my post I would rather say that you do not have it and trying to answer only what you have "counterarguments" for.

But wait, I understood. I suppose you mean that X gameplay is "sit in corner and wait on SETA while your highly scripted NPCs and autonomous complexes are making money". Well, in THAT case yeap - it's going to be very different game - there will be no SETA.

In other words, if previous X games could have been "Only Trade", "Only build", "Only fight" than now it's probably "Only fight" left and everything else comes in junction (Trade + Fight + Build) or you'll die out of boredom if you are not doing anything while your NPC are doing hardlifting.
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snwboardn21 wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:
snwboardn21 wrote:
Nikola515 wrote: There is rumor that game will be released 4/1/2013 :roll:
Ha! They will at least give us a 3 or 4 month heads up... If we don't have info by September or October at the latest, look for the release date to move to 2014.
(4/1/2013) it's april fools day :P It was a joke :)
But you are right about 2014... I just pre orderd star citizen now hopefully i'm not going to get addicted to that game and forget everything about XR that i DON'T know :lol:
Ahhh I didn't even pick up on that. You know what would be a cruel april fools joke is for Bernd to make a post titled "X Rebirth Release details inside"


APRIL FOOLS!
I don't think that would be good idea for EGO :P People here are angry as it is they would probably burn EGO HQ down :twisted:
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