Trump

[Chips]

Glad they'll ban him, we'll still get to hear how he's losing his .... without those platforms for him to speak his poison

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYKkQ3BOo_E

This is the most coherently Trump has ever spoken, though, clearly a speech someone wrote for him. Sad that his actions betrays the words he spoke. Maybe if this was the attitude that Trump exhibited before today, things would be different.

On the positive side, he has conceded the election. Here's hoping for peace until the 20'th and beyond.

[Observe]

Don't trust a single word Trump says - coherently or not. That is one lesson we've learned over and over again. He can't help himself.

[Axeface]

On the positive side, he has conceded the election. Here's hoping for peace until the 20'th and beyond.

Have you not learnt yet? Trump revels in shocking people, its literally his MO - its what he does, nothing he says means anything. Dont believe for a second that this is over or he wont say something tomorrow to stir it all up again. He lives for chaos.

[Vertigo 7]

I dunno, guys. Something feels different this time. It's subtle but the vibe I'm picking up from him is like he's a beat dog.

I think there's something going on behind the scenes that's pushed him into accepting some measure of reality. Maybe the pressure of virtually the world openly opposing him, his cabinet abandoning him, and the bans from his favorite social media sites has been a wake up call. Maybe Melania is leaving him. I dunno, but, at least for the moment, it seems like he may actually mean what he says.

[Gavrushka]

I dunno, guys. Something feels different this time. It's subtle but the vibe I'm picking up from him is like he's a beat dog.

I think there's something going on behind the scenes that's pushed him into accepting some measure of reality. Maybe the pressure of virtually the world openly opposing him, his cabinet abandoning him, and the bans from his favorite social media sites has been a wake up call. Maybe Melania is leaving him. I dunno, but, at least for the moment, it seems like he may actually mean what he says.

I think social media is his drug. I *think* that he's finally realised there are consequences for bad behaviour, and suspending him has brought it home to him. - Threats of impeachment, divorce and other tangibles to the rest of him seem to mean nothing because he lives in that world constantly. And I'm not sure he sees Melania as a wife, but more as just another possession. I can imagine his first reaction to being served divorce papers would be 'sort it lawyers,' then it'll leave his head entirely.

But no social media? Damn, that's probably broken his spirit. - He is powerless. He can't bully or litigate it back. I wonder if he has ever experienced that feeling before? Not since he was a child being thrashed by his father, I imagine...

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

Problem is, America needs to face the fact that it has issues. When people are saying "this isn't America" "this doesn't represent America" < or words to that effect


But this is America, it's just that those in the senate, the house, and those in high office, just seems blind to this. This to me is the problem if Biden does come in. He might just try and isolate that small group, and say they don't represent our great country. While totally ignoring the divides that exist. (sure he might see some of the can of worms) but unless every American starts to realise that America does have major issues, (and that is a long list) then nothing will change. This is my fear, that this event will be brushed under the carpet, and people will think, its a one off, it will never happen again.


But it will happen again, this is America, this is the America that we have today. And its under great strain. America needs to open its eyes, before its too late. What happened yesterday will leave a stain for a long time. America can no longer be a beacon for democracy, or a shining light of a good example of one. America's image and ego has been seriously tarnished. And the rest of the word needs to be really careful on how they treat America.

Unless America just wants to be alone, and isolated from the rest of the world. And under Trump, I can see that is happening. because of the way that Trump viewed and handled the rest of the world. Biden might change that, but Biden has bigger issues to deal with, before he sets his sights on trying to fix the rest of the world. He needs to fix America, or at least try too. But sadly, fixing America who might not want too be fixed in the first place, that will be an up hill struggle. So nothing will change. and things will continue to either remain as they are, or just get worse.

Edit
Obama's Reaction To The D.C. Riots Is Turning Heads

https://www.nickiswift.com/308570/obama ... ome-heads/

Really good speech there!

Completely agree: people needs to face what America has become in the last years (I'd say it started on 9/11, at least). It is never too late to sort things out, but the people, politics, businessmen, everyone needs to acknowledge what happened wasn't just "Trump's doing". Off course he sped up the process, and you need to thank him for he probably opened your eyes before it was really too late. You need to thank his childish whining and screaming, because if there was a different guy with the same vision (I'm talking about a man with a "normal" composure, but the same will to "rule" in the medieval way of ruling), you'd have reelected him and you'd have got fascism in a few months. Because these elections have been much closer than you want a "dictator vs establishment" election to be.
This IS America now: a place where tens of millions of people are ready to vote for dictatorship (for ignorance? for anger? it's not important the reason, but it's a fact).

[matthewfarmery]

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... trump-poll

A snap poll of the events of the 6th. (A YouGov Direct poll of 1,397 registered voters)

So 45% of republicans actively support the actions of those at the Capitol, although as many expressed their opposition (43%).

That is quite worrying in itself, sure it from a small number of people. But it shows the issues that America is facing. And lets not forget that the woman who was shot dead, was an air force vet. And she clearly had more on her mind then just a peaceful march. And lets not try and brush under the carpet, what else was found at that scene. (but not to try and break and egosoft rules) I will leave it at that. But the point is, lessons need to be learnt.

I hope Trump will be removed, even if that last speech was handwritten, I suspect his state of mind will be one of revenge, and hatred. he pretty much is in a bad state of mind. Plus the pressure on what happens next will be getting to him too.

I don't really believe him, and Trump is still very capable of doing great harm, Especailly in his current state of mind. There are still his supporters, and what they will do? a lot can and sill might happen.

So in his latest speech, one line is very troubling

“To all of my wonderful supporters: I know you are disappointed, but I also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning.”

This is what is worrying, and why he needs to be removed from office.

[Gavrushka]

Undoing the damage the last four years has done will take generations, I fear. Parents will have 'miseducated' kids, and breaking that chain isn't going to be a straightforward act. Racial hatred, and even a hatred of people who don't follow your political beliefs, is deeply engrained in much of the US populace now. It happens in many countries, but it's not usually orchestrated by the highest office.

[matthewfarmery]

Trump got into 'screaming match' with Kevin McCarthy after he asked him to denounce riots: report

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mob-2649789076/

So, Trump had no intention of calling off the mob, no surprise there. So this new recording of trump is a man who was forced into it. Not a man who would have willingly condemned them. (no surprise) Which just makes what he said is a totally pack of lies, and is still on a mission of revenge, and one who will still want to cling onto power by any means necessary.

Still silly it has taken the GOP 4 years to realise how dangerous Trump is.

Edit

Impeachment proceedings will begin next week. I dont think another president has been impeached twice? so Trump will be the first, the fact it going to happen soon, means they are very serious about this.

[RegisterMe]

https://twitter.com/TheTeeter/status/13 ... 4327165960

Lincoln Project "Bloodlines". It's a powerful piece.

[Gavrushka]

Christ, that is scary.

And, yeah, he is treading a well-established path.

Or was?

[matthewfarmery]

https://twitter.com/TheTeeter/status/13 ... 4327165960

Lincoln Project "Bloodlines". It's a powerful piece.

Those who don't remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.

Sadly, for America, they like to rewrite history, pretend stuff never happened. a huge list to back that up.

Yet what happened on the 6th, should be a warning to all. And if America doesn't want to go down that dark path that others have done in the past, they better start learning history. And start learning what makes a country go rotten to the core. If those protestors had been more organised, I think that days events would have kept one man in power, while those who had a job to do, might not of made it.

Again,. America is so fragile, America needs to learn lessons, so something like this never happens again. But in truth, the way that America has dealt with history, its rewriting of the history books, then people may not remember, or choose to remember. Which is why it could happen again.

[Axeface]

So 45% of republicans actively support the actions of those at the Capitol, although as many expressed their opposition (43%).

Consider that of those 43% a lot are going to be lying because they dont want to admit they support 'treason' (hate that word, but americans love their flag and all that bull and it means a lot to them), the republican mindset and especially the trump supporter mindset is full of conniving weasels.

[matthewfarmery]

So 45% of republicans actively support the actions of those at the Capitol, although as many expressed their opposition (43%).

Consider that of those 43% a lot are going to be lying because they dont want to admit they support 'treason' (hate that word, but americans love their flag and all that bull and it means a lot to them), the republican mindset and especially the trump supporter mindset is full of conniving weasels.

Its scary that people do think that, that they want a change of government, or a change of the type of government that America is. To me, they want an Empire or banana republic. And that pretty nearly happened.

Edit

What is also quite telling is that Trump's children and wife isn't saying anything. that in itself speaks volumes about them.

[Vertigo 7]

So 45% of republicans actively support the actions of those at the Capitol, although as many expressed their opposition (43%).

Consider that of those 43% a lot are going to be lying because they dont want to admit they support 'treason' (hate that word, but americans love their flag and all that bull and it means a lot to them), the republican mindset and especially the trump supporter mindset is full of conniving weasels.

Its scary that people do think that, that they want a change of government, or a change of the type of government that America is. To me, they want an Empire or banana republic. And that pretty nearly happened.

Naw, that's a stretch. I can guarantee you that the moment one member of congress gets hurt or killed by some hillbilly mob, there will be a lot more than 4 dead. Yes, they broke into the capitol, yes, they made a mess, yes, they disrupted the joint session, but that's all they managed to accomplish. If anything had happened to escalate beyond that, it's doubtful any of them would still be above ground today.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

Just another point of view...

I think you're missing the point on the events of last night. Sure, there has been people breaking into a federal building - which in my opinion is an act of terrorism - to try and change the results of an election - which in my opinion is an act of americanism at its finest - and that people was clearly fueled by the voice of the POTUS.
But - and hear me on this - what is the image of USA at the eyes of the rest of the world?
Hopeless? I think not.
Weak? Yes, at least not as strong as it's usually pictured.
And what do foreign intelligence service (malevolent or not) see these facts? They saw it's very easy entering in a federal building. Into a federal building there is a lot of intel on how things work, how things worked and how things are going to work. What if, between the vikings and the cosplayers and all that very peculiar folks there was someone else, taking pictures, perhaps with a usb drive in his pocket?

[matthewfarmery]

Just another point of view...

I think you're missing the point on the events of last night. Sure, there has been people breaking into a federal building - which in my opinion is an act of terrorism - to try and change the results of an election - which in my opinion is an act of americanism at its finest - and that people was clearly fueled by the voice of the POTUS.
But - and hear me on this - what is the image of USA at the eyes of the rest of the world?
Hopeless? I think not.
Weak? Yes, at least not as strong as it's usually pictured.
And what do foreign intelligence service (malevolent or not) see these facts? They saw it's very easy entering in a federal building. Into a federal building there is a lot of intel on how things work, how things worked and how things are going to work. What if, between the vikings and the cosplayers and all that very peculiar folks there was someone else, taking pictures, perhaps with a usb drive in his pocket?

In the eyes of the world, America will not be able to have it's head up high for a long time. Especailly against threats like China and Russia. Both will be mocking America. Considering what been going on in the world, a tarnished look of America isn't going to do anyone, any favours. epsicailly for EU member states and allies. Trump pretty near destroyed that. And we have this extra event that sadly shows that America isn't as strong as people image it to be, like you say. So for that reason, we may have dark days ahead. And china and Russia may try and pounce on this.

[Vertigo 7]

Just another point of view...

I think you're missing the point on the events of last night. Sure, there has been people breaking into a federal building - which in my opinion is an act of terrorism - to try and change the results of an election - which in my opinion is an act of americanism at its finest - and that people was clearly fueled by the voice of the POTUS.
But - and hear me on this - what is the image of USA at the eyes of the rest of the world?
Hopeless? I think not.
Weak? Yes, at least not as strong as it's usually pictured.
And what do foreign intelligence service (malevolent or not) see these facts? They saw it's very easy entering in a federal building. Into a federal building there is a lot of intel on how things work, how things worked and how things are going to work. What if, between the vikings and the cosplayers and all that very peculiar folks there was someone else, taking pictures, perhaps with a usb drive in his pocket?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh I dunno dude, they give tours of that building. It's not like the layout, at least where any of the people that broken in, is secret. It's doubtful there was any classified material in any of the offices or anything, those are usually stored and viewed in high security rooms. And after an event like this, I'm sure there's going to be some changes to the physical security.

*edit
Keep in mind too, there were press inside the building that were still filming as this was going on and rushed to the bunker or whatever it is with the rest of congress. If there was any "intel" to be gleamed, they wouldn't have been allowed to film.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh I dunno dude, they give tours of that building. It's not like the layout, at least where any of the people that broken in, is secret. It's doubtful there was any classified material in any of the offices or anything, those are usually stored and viewed in high security rooms. And after an event like this, I'm sure there's going to be some changes to the physical security.

*edit
Keep in mind too, there were press inside the building that were still filming as this was going on and rushed to the bunker or whatever it is with the rest of congress. If there was any "intel" to be gleamed, they wouldn't have been allowed to film.

I saw a lot of strange things when working / talking about it security, I wouldn't be surprised to find a laptop with no password in a public office, connected to the federal network.
The best case scenario would be having the pictures of an affair to blackmail a public worker in order to skip the queue to have some documents earlier than expected. But you can also install a spyware...