Trump

[felter]

It's really funny watching those insurrectionists as they commit several major crimes, you can see what their level of intelligence is and it is not very high. If you are going to commit a crime, it is a good idea to try and hide what you are doing, the first major thing to do is to cover your face and hands and try to avoid camera exposure. The last thing you want to do, is to have your face and hands uncovered and let yourself be filmed and photographed while committing those crimes.

What do those idiots think is going to happen after they break into Pelosi's office and rummage through her things while posing for a camera are trying to steal a plinth and smile for the camera when being pictured in the act. Maybe they think Trump will personally pardon them for doing so. Even if he did do such a thing their lives are ruined, no one in their sane mind is going to employ them, while they will get shunned at every opportunity there is. The reality is they are probably also going to go to jail for what they did. Trump supporters showing their best sides and what did they gain, absolutely nothing.

A lot of politicians are going to have to take a step back and ask themselves, is this what I have been pandering for, is this what I stand for, is this what my politics are. A lot of them have a lot of serious questions to answer for, a lot of them are to blame for what happened not just Donald Trump. He has also probably ruined any future he also had, if anything I doubt now that he will be running for the presidency ever again, as I can't see anyone wanting to stand by him in case he tries something like this again.

It's not just the politicians though, the populace of America also have to take the time to think on what just happened and if they are happy to have that sort of thing happen in their country and whether they are willing to let it happen again.

[matthewfarmery]

It's really funny watching those insurrectionists as they commit several major crimes, you can see what their level of intelligence is and it is not very high. If you are going to commit a crime, it is a good idea to try and hide what you are doing, the first major thing to do is to cover your face and hands and try to avoid camera exposure. The last thing you want to do, is to have your face and hands uncovered and let yourself be filmed and photographed while committing those crimes.

What do those idiots think is going to happen after they break into Pelosi's office and rummage through her things while posing for a camera are trying to steal a plinth and smile for the camera when being pictured in the act. Maybe they think Trump will personally pardon them for doing so. Even if he did do such a thing their lives are ruined, no one in their sane mind is going to employ them, while they will get shunned at every opportunity there is. The reality is they are probably also going to go to jail for what they did. Trump supporters showing their best sides and what did they gain, absolutely nothing.

A lot of politicians are going to have to take a step back and ask themselves, is this what I have been pandering for, is this what I stand for, is this what my politics are. A lot of them have a lot of serious questions to answer for, a lot of them are to blame for what happened not just Donald Trump. He has also probably ruined any future he also had, if anything I doubt now that he will be running for the presidency ever again, as I can't see anyone wanting to stand by him in case he tries something like this again.

It's not just the politicians though, the populace of America also have to take the time to think on what just happened and if they are happy to have that sort of thing happen in their country and whether they are willing to let it happen again.

But wouldn't this this be a state crime? not a federal? so if it is the former, it not possible to be pardoned.

as the damage done to the place is pretty large, and personal offices were broken into, including the most secure areas of the building. To me, this may fall into a state crime.

But yeah, those people who did this, clearly weren't interested in keeping their identities a secret. Unless they assumed by doing this, they would become martyrs? But Trump doesn't care for them, just the act, and the damage this will do to America for a long time to come.

[Gavrushka]

One of those breaking in with the mob was a just-elected West Virginia Republican politician. - The muppet livestreamed it to Facebook, but then deleted the video, thinking that would hide is crime.

What a MUPPET!

[felter]

One of those breaking in with the mob was a just-elected West Virginia Republican politician. - The muppet livestreamed it to Facebook, but then deleted the video, thinking that would hide is crime.

What a MUPPET!

Yeah but it's okay because he said that he didn’t have any 'negative interactions' with police.

[red assassin]

But wouldn't this this be a state crime? not a federal? so if it is the former, it not possible to be pardoned.

DC isn't a state. All crimes committed in DC are federal crimes.

[Axeface]

Anyone notice the cops that are 'policing' the riots when that imbecile gets shot are pointing their guns at the secret service?
This is far from over. Apparently there is a lot more going on all over the country.

One of those breaking in with the mob was a just-elected West Virginia Republican politician. - The muppet livestreamed it to Facebook, but then deleted the video, thinking that would hide is crime.

What a MUPPET!

Yeah but it's okay because he said that he didn’t have any 'negative interactions' with police.

I didnt know anything about west virginia before this election, upon request spent a few days of my time making a virginia and specifically a west viriginia university paint mod for X4 - feels repulsive to have put my time and passion into representing that. Going to rename the paintmod 'The Liberal'.

[matthewfarmery]

But wouldn't this this be a state crime? not a federal? so if it is the former, it not possible to be pardoned.

DC isn't a state. All crimes committed in DC are federal crimes.

OK didn't know that. So those 50 odd people might get a pardon then.

[matthewfarmery]

News just in, Facebook CEO has said that Trump's facebook and Instagram accounts have been banned for 2 weeks plus, at least until the transfer of power has happened

https://order-order.com/2021/01/07/zuck ... spiracy%29

A statement from Mark Zuckerberg just now has announced the temporary 24-hour ban on Trump’s Instagram and Facebook accounts has been extended indefinitely, “for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.” His temporary Twitter ban ran out at midday, yet still not a peep from Donald…

“The shocking events of the last 24 hours clearly demonstrate that President Donald Trump intends to use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor, Joe Biden.

His decision to use his platform to condone rather than condemn the actions of his supporters at the Capitol building has rightly disturbed people in the US and around the world. We removed these statements yesterday because we judged that their effect — and likely their intent — would be to provoke further violence.

Following the certification of the election results by Congress, the priority for the whole country must now be to ensure that the remaining 13 days and the days after inauguration pass peacefully and in accordance with established democratic norms.

Over the last several years, we have allowed President Trump to use our platform consistent with our own rules, at times removing content or labeling his posts when they violate our policies. We did this because we believe that the public has a right to the broadest possible access to political speech, even controversial speech. But the current context is now fundamentally different, involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government.

We believe the risks of allowing the President to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great. Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.”

Twitter needs to do the same. as Trump will very likely still use that platform to stir up trouble.

At least finally, the social media platform has done the right thing, but to me, this is after the horse has bolted. Considering what Trump has been saying for the last few months and so.

All eyes are probably be on twitter now.

[RegisterMe]

So I think I'm right in saying that a two thirds majority vote would see the likes of Hawley, Cruz and Jordan (etc) expelled from Congress.

That is something I would like to see happen.

[matthewfarmery]

edit, wrong twitter account

[Vertigo 7]

And it's finally over. There's no more legal challenges, no more procedural bs to try to abuse. Trump has, again, been certified the loser. So unless he baracades himself in the Whitehouse, there's not a thing he can do to stay there past noon ET on the 20th.

Lets wait and see. Trump may go but the polarization of the society and post-truth politics and ideologies remain. Trump for me was never the cause, he is symptom of existing disease. That is a problem that needs dealing with in a post-trump America. Or you will get Trump 2.0 in 4 or 8 years. IMHO

That's great, but I was specifically referring to the end of Trump and the GOP trying to obstruct Biden from taking office. I wrote this post the moment the joint session of congress ended with the ratification of Biden and Harris's victory.

[Len5]

Wow! 911 pages. You people have been busy.

[matthewfarmery]

America will always be divided. Trump disease will linger on. Unless there some major reforms in the constitution, then nothing will change. To me, that isn't worth the paper it's written on. Trump has proved, he will not abide by that. And to have followers that basically will do the same. Sadly, shows the system is under great strain. The 25th amendment needs major edits, to prevent this from happening. But I'm not so sure anything will change. But unless things will change, we will see a smarter Trump, and one who will push the boat even more. And may bring America to its knees.

We almost seen this, so again, without change, we will see this again. and it will be far, far far, worse.

[Vertigo 7]

Stupidity and violence aside, look at what Trump did to the GOP.

When Trump took office, the GOP had control of both chambers of congress. In 2018, they lost the house, and now they've lost the presidency and the senate as well. That score alone should give the GOP pause to reconsider their game. Fear mongering isn't going to work. Sure, it gives the talking heads at Faux News something to push, but it should be obvious by now that the country isn't going to tolerate ultra right wing fascist bs.

[matthewfarmery]

The GOP had this coming, they stood by and watched Trump do this to America and the world. I level what happened yesterday also squarely on GOP's shoulders. They tuned a deaf ear and a blind eye to everything that Trump did. Even the impeachment trial, they could have stopped them there. But what did they do? Just ignored all the evidence, even blocked a lot of evidence from been presented. That should have given the GOP serious warning signs that Trump was trouble, and he would go to any length to get what he wants.

Lets not forget he also installed most of his family in key positions that they were not suitable for, again, any objects to this?

It boils down to Trump being the GOP, while the rest didn't care. Now that this has happened. the GOP have a lot to answer for. At least with the Dems now in control, we might finally get some answers, including Trump's tax returns and other wrong doings.

But as for the GOP, sure they will still have supporters, but how many of them were just Trump supporters? I think if the party are to survive, they need to disown Trump, his family. And those that stood by Trump. I hope a lot of heads will roll. Not just for what happened yesterday, but the last 4 years+.

Edit

Trump's online store has been taken down. (no idea what it sold, but its gone now)

[Vertigo 7]

Facebook has perma banned Trump. Likely will see Twitter follow suit.

[matthewfarmery]

Facebook has perma banned Trump. Likely will see Twitter follow suit.

yeah, remarked about that, but I think it would be a good idea to perm ban Trump from twitter too, as he is still dangerous. So I hope Twitter will ban his account.

[Vertigo 7]

Facebook has perma banned Trump. Likely will see Twitter follow suit.

yeah, remarked about that, but I think it would be a good idea to perm ban Trump from twitter too, as he is still dangerous. So I hope Twitter will ban his account.

Ahh, sorry, I missed that. Still, I'm glad this is happening. Anything that restricts Trump's ability to communicate with the outside world is a good thing. He's got 2 weeks left to engorge himself on hamburders and diet coke in the west wing. Let him do it in silence.

In other news...

Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson, Mo Brooks, and some others are claiming it was ANTIFA, or in the case of Mo Brooks, "fascist ANTIFA" , that broke into the capitol wearing maga hats and waving confederate flags. The stupidity continues...

[matthewfarmery]

Problem is, America needs to face the fact that it has issues. When people are saying "this isn't America" "this doesn't represent America" < or words to that effect


But this is America, it's just that those in the senate, the house, and those in high office, just seems blind to this. This to me is the problem if Biden does come in. He might just try and isolate that small group, and say they don't represent our great country. While totally ignoring the divides that exist. (sure he might see some of the can of worms) but unless every American starts to realise that America does have major issues, (and that is a long list) then nothing will change. This is my fear, that this event will be brushed under the carpet, and people will think, its a one off, it will never happen again.


But it will happen again, this is America, this is the America that we have today. And its under great strain. America needs to open its eyes, before its too late. What happened yesterday will leave a stain for a long time. America can no longer be a beacon for democracy, or a shining light of a good example of one. America's image and ego has been seriously tarnished. And the rest of the word needs to be really careful on how they treat America.

Unless America just wants to be alone, and isolated from the rest of the world. And under Trump, I can see that is happening. because of the way that Trump viewed and handled the rest of the world. Biden might change that, but Biden has bigger issues to deal with, before he sets his sights on trying to fix the rest of the world. He needs to fix America, or at least try too. But sadly, fixing America who might not want too be fixed in the first place, that will be an up hill struggle. So nothing will change. and things will continue to either remain as they are, or just get worse.

Edit
Obama's Reaction To The D.C. Riots Is Turning Heads

https://www.nickiswift.com/308570/obama ... ome-heads/

Really good speech there!

[Vertigo 7]

Calls for Trump's removal are growing and Pelosi and Schumer both are calling for his impeachment.

A few things about this that could ultimately make a difference. Even if Trump is able to self-pardon, that option goes out the window when impeachment begins as only the senate can render a verdict on the charges and will also allow for federal charges to be pursued if the senate votes to convict.

Even without federal charges, a conviction from the senate will bar Trump from any future government office.

It'll be interesting to see how many republicans rush to his defense this go around. Even some republicans in the house are calling for his removal.