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Gavrushka wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 08:09
Vertigo 7 wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 05:38 Trump signed the bill so hopefully we have avoided some unnecessary evictions. Shame it took this long to pass additional relief.
I don't know what the legal process is for evictions, but it's a somewhat convoluted affair here, so I'd hope no one is tossed out on the street as a result of his posturing.
A bit off topic, but in most municipalities the process requires a 30, 60, or 90 day notice then the county sheriff can/should be involved to serve the eviction. I'd say the chances are low that anyone got evicted over the weekend, but it is possible.

I know some apartment managers/owners have gone the extra mile to help out their tenants, others have been tossing people out at the first opportunity. And this is where the problem is with this whole process that the guy I mentioned earlier highlighted. See, the feds gave banks truck loads of cash and left it up to the banks to decide how to apply it to deal with foreclosures. So they could be paying the interest on mortgages for both houses and apartment complexes at their discretion. Or they could just be investing the money to make more money.

If the feds had given a sufficiently large amount of money to people directly and told folks to stay home for a couple of months, people could have paid their living expenses and staved off any threat of eviction whether or not they were forced out of work and we could have, quite possibly, contained this virus in a couple of months. Frankly, if Trump and congress had done that, the lot would have been hailed as heroes. But, instead, they relied on this "trickle down" BS that does not f'n work no matter how many times they try it, Trump and his cronies denied, lied, concealed, misrepresented, etc. everything about COVID while people were dying by the thousands. And the end result being we have millions out of work, people starving, and even more dying by the day and are relying on the feds to continue to make it "illegal" to evict people while this virus rampages.
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Wow, even the NYPost is telling him to simmer down. That's when you know the ship is sinking.

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U.S. House approves $2,000 coronavirus aid checks sought by Trump.

This was voted by Democrats.

"Trump last week threatened to block a massive pandemic aid and spending package if Congress did not boost stimulus payments from $600 to $2,000 and cut other spending"

When it goes to the Senate, we will see if Trump does have any hold over the Republican Party.

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He's created a political mess for himself and his loyalists in the GOP. Not only are they going to have to vote to override his veto of the defense bill that the house already voted to override, his loyalists are either going to have to vote with their party's standing philosophy of screwing over the people and against the orange one, or vote with Trump and signal their party has no philosophy and only does as they're told. A fitting end to his presidency.
Reap what you sow.

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RegisterMe wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 11:40
Gavrushka wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 08:09I don't know what the legal process is for evictions, but it's a somewhat convoluted affair here, so I'd hope no one is tossed out on the street as a result of his posturing.
To be honest I'd feel pretty sanguine about things if Trump was tossed out on the street.
I've a feeling there's gonna be a fair few events around Trump in 2021 which will give us a warm glow inside, much like when the villain gets their comeuppance, but doesn't see it coming until their arse is aflame.

Thing is, he's not conceded he lost the election, so he'll see packing his things and leaving the Whitehouse as a huge humiliation - and I don't doubt will feel it's a massive injustice. And because he relies on his own and other dubious counsel, it's not outside the realms of possibility that he'll do something monumentally stupid and try to litigate his way into extending his stay there. - I mean, when you've Rudy Giuliani as your chief legal adviser, I don't doubt the pair have concocted the most ridiculous scenario that looks plausible and reasonable to dumb and dumber.

On a more pragmatic level, I understand the German banks are wanting to sell on the loans they hold on both Trump personally and his organisation. I would love to see them traded to China's state bank... Thing is, I understand the fool has been so sure of his financial acumen that the level of personal guarantees he's offered could well break him...

...unfortunately I doubt he'll end up poor or homeless, and I fear any legal case may be so convoluted and drawn out he'll pop his clogs before any judgement is reached.

But the most sanguine moment will come on January 20th 2021 when Twitter suspend his account and he's sectioned for suffering a self-endangering meltdown.
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Tolmos wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 22:00 Wow, even the NYPost is telling him to simmer down. That's when you know the ship is sinking.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-it-u ... e-nations/
Considering that Murdoch has helped Trump in many ways. From fox news and more.


So yeah, clear signal that the ship is sinking and the tide is turning against Trump.

Of course you could say that Murdoch was a bit of a twit supporting him the way that he has done. especially with the fox channel. So really a fair bit to answer for. But at least Murdoch now sees that there is no point in supporting Trump anymore. The rats are jumping the sinking ship in droves.
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What further benefit is Trump going to be for them? He's not in any position to give them more tax cuts. The Q anon nuts and the neo-Nazis will still latch on because he gives their lives meaning, but, at this point, Trump is all used up and is highly toxic to people with money to give.
Reap what you sow.

"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65IW4dh_6w
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They found voter fraud and dead people voting in PA! But you wont see this on Tucker Carlson. Apparently a guy forged a ballot for his deceased mother and got busted for it. So... ya know... system works. But anywho, despite the claims of Trump, there wasn't mass fraud, just a whopping 3 cases... and guess who the ballots were cast for? The Orange Lord himself, Donald J. Trump.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNN

As one PA official put it, "Trump got 100% of the dead mother vote".
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"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65IW4dh_6w
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Did I understand what happened in the senate correctly? McConnell was able to effectively veto the increase in payment from 600 to 2,000USD, just by saying he objected to the vote on it? How is that democratic? Gah, but it does mean he's defied his Master, doesn't it?
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Gavrushka wrote: Tue, 29. Dec 20, 20:02 Did I understand what happened in the senate correctly? McConnell was able to effectively veto the increase in payment from 600 to 2,000USD, just by saying he objected to the vote on it? How is that democratic? Gah, but it does mean he's defied his Master, doesn't it?
This is exactly why the Georgia Senate votes matter so much. If McConnell continues to hold Majority Leader in the Senate, things like federal legalization of marijuana will never have a chance of passing. But if Dems take the Senate, then that bill sitting on his desk may well see the light of day.

I've never been as interested in a state's senate runoff as I am in Georgia's, knowing that it's basically the vote for whether marijuana gets legalized federally in 2021 or not.

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I honestly don't understand the American democratic system--it seems to be aimed at putting the most amount of power possible into the hands of one man at every level. So you have the President, of course, but then there's the Senate majority leader who also seems to pretty much be able to block or allow legislation as he sees fit...it's a like a King and his corrupt Grand Vizier, except there's a chance they can get elected out of power now and again!
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Gavrushka wrote: Tue, 29. Dec 20, 20:02 Did I understand what happened in the senate correctly? McConnell was able to effectively veto the increase in payment from 600 to 2,000USD, just by saying he objected to the vote on it? How is that democratic? Gah, but it does mean he's defied his Master, doesn't it?
Not exactly. He objected to the unanimous consent to pass the bill. There will still be a debate and maybe a roll call vote.
pjknibbs wrote: Tue, 29. Dec 20, 21:19 I honestly don't understand the American democratic system--it seems to be aimed at putting the most amount of power possible into the hands of one man at every level. So you have the President, of course, but then there's the Senate majority leader who also seems to pretty much be able to block or allow legislation as he sees fit...it's a like a King and his corrupt Grand Vizier, except there's a chance they can get elected out of power now and again!
Oh it's easy to do. You just need to come from an area with no opposition and keep getting corporate backers to fund your reelections and sooner or later, you're the senior most person serving in congress. With no term limits imposed, you quite literally could become the most powerful person in Washington without having the nation's consent. So this one zombie from Kentucky (population 4.4 mil) can decide the fate of 350 mil +
Reap what you sow.

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I think I understand the US system quite well. It's designed to ensure that if no single party holds all positions, then as little as possible can be achieved for the public good.
Corporations can pay to achieve what they want though.
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6th day on the golf course! you can easy tell by now, he given up on his job, even though he still telling people he had won.

There might be a coup in the senate mind, as some republicans are saying they won't accept the results, and might vote against Biden.

So it all hinges on the 6th of jan. But hopefully most will accept the results, if not, then, what this space!
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matthewfarmery wrote: Wed, 30. Dec 20, 19:42 6th day on the golf course! you can easy tell by now, he given up on his job, even though he still telling people he had won.

There might be a coup in the senate mind, as some republicans are saying they won't accept the results, and might vote against Biden.

So it all hinges on the 6th of jan. But hopefully most will accept the results, if not, then, what this space!
It's not going to matter. Both chambers will have to agree for there to be any dispute and the house definitely isn't going to go along with that.
Reap what you sow.

"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65IW4dh_6w
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Pence has shot down Larry Goober's attempt to sue to have Pence count different elector votes than the ones the states have certified. Stand by for Trump to tweet about it!
Reap what you sow.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65IW4dh_6w
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Thu, 31. Dec 20, 09:11 Pence has shot down Larry Goober's attempt to sue to have Pence count different elector votes than the ones the states have certified. Stand by for Trump to tweet about it!
Have you any links to articles on this. - I've not been able to find anything, either on the news or social media, so I'm not sure what it means. Are you saying Pence has turned on Trump?
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Gavrushka wrote: Thu, 31. Dec 20, 10:00
Vertigo 7 wrote: Thu, 31. Dec 20, 09:11 Pence has shot down Larry Goober's attempt to sue to have Pence count different elector votes than the ones the states have certified. Stand by for Trump to tweet about it!
Have you any links to articles on this. - I've not been able to find anything, either on the news or social media, so I'm not sure what it means. Are you saying Pence has turned on Trump?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/2 ... unt-452040

I'm not going as far to say he turned on Trump, just not willing to participate in a sham coup attempt. But, I expect Trump to slam the move as a betrayal.

The whole thing is just one grift after another to get donations. Who seriously expects congress to say "no, you're right, the people's voice doesn't matter. Let's just give Trump the presidency cause that dude in the 4th row and 10 seats over is wearing mismatched socks today. He didn't think we would notice but we did and now the fall of democracy is his fault."?
Reap what you sow.

"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65IW4dh_6w
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Oh my God, that's insane. - I'd thought all legal challenges had ended, and all that was left was Trump's mouthfarts.

I looked at Trump's Twitter stream, and realised this is now a man who needs to be on some form of medication or other. He's certainly taken up residence in the capital city of Lost-The-Plot.

As the dreadful 2020 comes to a close, I'm kinda looking forward to the unravelling that will be Trump's 2021*. Has any ex president been sectioned for mental health issues?



*I'm assuming he's now too powerless to cause any further real harm.
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Gavrushka wrote: Thu, 31. Dec 20, 10:19 *I'm assuming he's now too powerless to cause any further real harm.
I dunno about that. He's been flying B-52s near Iran for the last few weeks. He's still hungry for a war with Iran.
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"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
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