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Re: Trump

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Cpt.Jericho wrote: Fri, 25. Dec 20, 00:19 I think Axeface is right. This is merely to make sure he's got his paladins out of jail when trying to run again for president. If he really wanted to annoy people he would pardon Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden and Julian Assange.
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I'm sure he wants to run again, but somehow I don't think we'll be seeing him in 2024. He's got the deck stacked against him. He's facing criminal charges in 2 or 3 states that his pardons can't touch. His coup attempt and attacks on the GOP has soured many in the GOP against him. Once he's officially out of office, I'm sure there will be some public back stepping and denouncement of Trump from McConnel and a few others, not to mention big GOP donors have already turned away from him. The dude is broke, as well. He won't be able to buy his way onto the ticket, assuming he would still be eligible to run again.
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Re: Trump

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Even if Biden doesn't seem to be too interested going after Trump, a few Attorney Generals in New York certainly will be interested in taking Trump on.

The real problem is, IF Trump gets ignored, then it will set a very dangerous precedent for any future president. We had Nixon, but he was spared, and got a pardon. But there nothing as bad as Trump.

There are 10 obstructions of justice, and other crimes in NY, that simply can't be pardoned or brushed under the carpet.

He also facing many lawsuits, even his personal lawyer is now getting heat.

The problem is, to ignore Trump, will be a bad thing indeed. But yes, he is broke, he still owes money to probably Russia, and many of his business aren't healthy. Even if he has diverted funds from the GOP, and else where, he still will end up eating all that money to keep himself out of court or prison.

He is a man on the run.
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Re: Trump

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If you mean ignore him by sweeping his crimes under the rug, then yeah, I agree, can't let that go. But if you mean ignore him by letting the bile that spews forth from his mouth disappear into the void, then, no... he needs to be ignored. Preferably placed in a vacuum. With no internet access.
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Re: Trump

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I mean his crimes. the obstruction of justice and so on. I thought I meant that clear on what I meant? But anyway, his crimes can not go unpunished.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Fri, 25. Dec 20, 11:16 But anyway, his crimes can not go unpunished.
Innocent until proven guilty? Are we already waiting for the judges to decide on the punishment?
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Re: Trump

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jlehtone wrote: Fri, 25. Dec 20, 12:22
matthewfarmery wrote: Fri, 25. Dec 20, 11:16 But anyway, his crimes can not go unpunished.
Innocent until proven guilty? Are we already waiting for the judges to decide on the punishment?
Trump is guilty of many things. His obstruction of justice for one. His released tax returns are also quite telling. And there are at least 70 plus lawsuits filed against him in New York alone. (and they can't be pardoned)

Plus diverting of GOP funds. and more besides. And his use of pardoning close allies. the list goes on.

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In other news, Trump is threatening not to sign the $900 billion relief bill, and that will put a huge amount of Americans under great stress.

And in more news, First Lady Melania was seen wearing some very expensive shoes when heading to their winter retreat, about $2000 or more. While again many Americans can barely afford to pay the bills this Christmas. Talk about sending the wrong kind of message.

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More on Trump's tax returns,

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... taxes.html

There is a lot of telling evidence that Trump has been up to no good.
His three courses in Europe — two in Scotland and one in Ireland — have reported a combined $63.6 million in losses.

Over all, since 2000, Mr. Trump has reported losses of $315.6 million at the golf courses that are his prized possessions.

For all of its Trumpworld allure, his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has not fared much better. Its tax records show losses through 2018 of $55.5 million.
So he losing huge amounts of money. So in that respect, what is keeping him afloat? Russia is possible one answer, considering he will owe $400 million is the next 4 years. But yeah, he losing loads.

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Trump can be charged with obstruction of justice concerning his latest batch of pardons.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-mue ... ostpopular
Andrew Weissmann, the lead prosecutor for former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, said that President Donald Trump could face charges over his recent pardons.

On Monday morning’s edition of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Willie Geist asked Weissmann about Trump’s recent pardons, particularly of associates like Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.

Asked his reaction to the Manafort pardon, Weissman said “the big picture here is really not related just to Manafort or Stone or Kushner, it’s really to look at the abuse of the rule of law here,” and added that Trump “is really a president who’s has a zero allegiance to the rule of law.”

“How clear are you that a pardon was dangled to Paul Manafort and to Roger Stone, that if they waited it out until the end, the end being yesterday, they would be pardoned?” Geist asked.

“That’s laid out in our report, that there were pardons that were dangled,” Weissman replied, and described the effects those potential pardons had on the two men’s cooperation.

“And what we saw yesterday was essentially the president carrying out the final act of an obstruction of justice,” Weissman said, and added “So to your point about can the president currently be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, I think the answer is yes. There is substantial evidence of that. And what he did yesterday is going to be proof of that obstruction because it’s really the final act that fulfills the promise of the dangled pardons.”
So on top of everything else, Trump is in real trouble here too.
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Re: Trump

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This tells you there are two possible things in his head for doing this. 1, he thinks he'll be untouchable and can just get away with it, or 2, he is about to declare martial law and attempt to seize control of the government.
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Re: Trump

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Trump has also vetoed legislation authorising the United States military’s $740bn, he saying that is a gift to Russia and china?
Our $740 defense bill is a gift to China, Russia & Big Tech. It fails to terminate the internationally dangerous Section 230, won’t allow us to bring our troops back home (where they belong), renames & destroys our forts & National Monuments, & makes 5G almost impossible!
Also, I think that bill that didn't have one of his daughter's pet projects. And also, if this bill doesn't get signed soon, then parts of the US will go into shutdown.

I think he done it to hurt the US in general, he clearly quite mad, also in a new series of tweets, blaming the US supreme court, congress, for not doing anything to help him win the election.

He clearly quite mad, barking.

So yeah, he really going to cripple American big time,
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Re: Trump

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Trump is desperate to have section 230 repealed because if say I went to Twitter and said "Trump likes to lick the butt holes of elephants", he could then sue Twitter. The whole point of section 230 was to prevent web site owners from being held responsible for users posts.

He claims it's to protect conservatives from being censored, but anyone with 1/10th of a brain knows the only reason he and others like him get their shit deleted is because of his frequent calls for violence and massive lies. It's just an extension of his attacks on the press and anyone else who dares to challenge the almighty orange overlord. The end result being to have everything 24/7 faux news.

But what that has to do with the military and why he thinks he can use defense budgeting as leverage to get his way is beyond me.

Congress likely has the votes to override the veto on the defense bill. I'm sure that'll happen this coming week.
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Re: Trump

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Vertigo 7 wrote: Sat, 26. Dec 20, 19:20 He claims it's to protect conservatives from being censored
And that is where he will fail, as a private entity cannot censor someone, only a government or government agency can censor something, and Twitter, Facebook and the like are private entities. Censorship is where you are not allowed to do, post, or say certain things, when a private entity stops you from posting or saying something on their platform, that is not censorship, as you can always go somewhere else and make that post or say what was removed from the other platform. That is their prerogative, it's their house they can do as they please but they cannot stop you from saying what ever you want, just not in their house. Censorship is where a Government or Government agency say you cannot say that or post that, which means you cannot post it online in any form or even in a paper, book on television or anywhere else, that is censorship, when you stop something from happening altogether. A private entity cannot do that, they can only stop it from appearing in their forum which is perfectly okay.

What Trump seems to forget, is that what he would like to happen will also effect him. If it was the rule right now, he would be banned from all social media platforms out there, and all of those platforms would probably be suing him for making the posts he has made on their platform, as they would get them into trouble.

So it would actually have the reverse effect from protecting him from being censored, to actually being censored because that's what that rule will mean, as the likes of Facebook and Twitter will have to remove posts or be prosecuted for not doing so. It just shows that he doesn't have a clue what he is doing or what it means, he just likes the sound of it.
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Re: Trump

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Trump playing golf again, while the fires of depression, and people without some kind of relief linger on. He seems to be playing more and more golf as of late. Doesn't give a damn clearly shows his mind set.

From reports, congress should be able to override the defence bill veto, but still, parts of American of will into shutdown unless things change.
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Re: Trump

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Government shutdowns with Trump is par for the course (pun intended). So is hanging people out to dry.

I agree that most people need more than the paltry $600 that the COVID relief bill will give to people. But at this point, it's too little, too late to make it seem like Trump cares by wanting it to be 2k.

Saw a guy interrupt a news broadcast a week or so ago and in his argument, he said that instead of the government handing out billions to executives, they should have given everyone 20k and told them to stay home for a couple of months to contain COVID. But they didn't, now Trump is delaying extensions on jobless aide while we have millions that are still out of work and facing difficulties paying rent and putting food on their tables.

But it's not just Trump. McConnel, Pelosi, and the rest of the corporate toe suckers in the house and senate have been too worried about pissing off their corporate donors instead of helping the people that put them in their chairs.
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Re: Trump

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Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 27. Dec 20, 18:03 ...now Trump is delaying extensions on jobless aide while we have millions that are still out of work and facing difficulties paying rent and putting food on their tables.
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Am I right in thinking one other very serious consequence of this unsigned bill is those behind on their rent lose protection against eviction as a result?

It beggars belief that the plethora of malignant decisions he's made won't going to lead to a successful prosecution from one angle or other. He'll be treated as any other private citizen after January 20th, yes? Money and influential friends can't give him immunity, can it?
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Re: Trump

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Gavrushka wrote: Sun, 27. Dec 20, 18:25
Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 27. Dec 20, 18:03 ...now Trump is delaying extensions on jobless aide while we have millions that are still out of work and facing difficulties paying rent and putting food on their tables.
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Am I right in thinking one other very serious consequence of this unsigned bill is those behind on their rent lose protection against eviction as a result?

It beggars belief that the plethora of malignant decisions he's made won't going to lead to a successful prosecution from one angle or other. He'll be treated as any other private citizen after January 20th, yes? Money and influential friends can't give him immunity, can it?
Yes, extension on eviction and foreclosure protection is part of the bill. So without this being signed into law, the risk goes from hungry and jobless people to homeless, hungry, and jobless people, in the dead of winter no less.

But executives can write off extravagant lunches for tax credits. So, the important people are covered.

Wars have been started for less.

The DOJ, especially under his control, won't touch him while he's in office. Afterward, who knows...
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Re: Trump

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Would be interesting how many of those that voted for Trump might realise that it was a big mistake in voting for him right about now? Of course they always going to be the die hard followers. But if Trump doesn't sign either bill, those two senate seats also might switch to dems? But anyway, Trump's handling of this has been really poor, and with all that has happened with the Trump family so far, they all don't give a rats ass about anyone.

All this won't help America one little bit, I guess Putin will be laughing at the results as well about now.

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your right mind, all those house and senate personal have a lot to answer for. Problem is, nothing will change there, just the same old, same old. As they are only looking out for the number one, or the big donors. the little people can get stamped on, for all that those senators care.
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Trump signed the bill so hopefully we have avoided some unnecessary evictions. Shame it took this long to pass additional relief.
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Re: Trump

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Trump's negotiating on this bill was an absolute disaster. He was nowhere to be found for most of the negotiations, waited until after 5,000 pages of total lobbyist garbage got cobbled together, and then in the 11th hour told everyone it's not good enough. But since that was far too late in the process, he ended up folding almost immediately, once he realized this little stunt was angering lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. And all of this while deciding to go golfing during the time he was supposed to be signing it.

That was pretty embarrassing, all things considered.
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Re: Trump

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Vertigo 7 wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 05:38 Trump signed the bill so hopefully we have avoided some unnecessary evictions. Shame it took this long to pass additional relief.
Apparently he was put under intense pressure from the entire political spectrum, and his own party made it clear they wouldn't sign up for his USD 2000 'stunt.'

I think perhaps he's starting to realise what's on the horizon. Starting to appreciate just what happens when January 20th arrives, and he's been 'unpresidented.' :P

I don't know what the legal process is for evictions, but it's a somewhat convoluted affair here, so I'd hope no one is tossed out on the street as a result of his posturing.

On a separate note, I'm still reeling that it's legal to turn off the water supply to a home if the occupant can't /doesn't pay their utility bill. Damn...
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Re: Trump

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Gavrushka wrote: Mon, 28. Dec 20, 08:09I don't know what the legal process is for evictions, but it's a somewhat convoluted affair here, so I'd hope no one is tossed out on the street as a result of his posturing.
To be honest I'd feel pretty sanguine about things if Trump was tossed out on the street.
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