Trump

[jlehtone]

I think as you do, but his sympathizers get all butt hurt when you compare him to Hitler.

Hitler was an emigrant. Trump & co dislike emigrants, don't they?

[Vertigo 7]

I think as you do, but his sympathizers get all butt hurt when you compare him to Hitler.

Hitler was an emigrant. Trump & co dislike emigrants, don't they?

They like them when they're white and rich. Or just white.

It's my considered belief Trump is one of the most evil men to have ever held high office, perhaps the most evil. He has no feelings for anyone other than himself. I bet it riled him to pardon that turkey...

I'm no fan of Trump, but I would describe him as utterly amoral rather than evil. Evil would imply he was hurting others because he enjoyed it, whereas I think he simply doesn't care who he harms so long as he comes out on top.

Ah, maybe it's a semantic argument, but I consider amorality a very close cousin of evil. It flies close to what Vertigo's earlier sig read about the nature of evil derived from a total lack of empathy. - Evil, to me, feels like the wanton exercise of power without regards for consequences. I'm not sure it's about enjoyment, but more he does it, because that's who he is.

But he does enjoy it. When the first round of fires hit California in his term, Trump did his best to prevent disaster relief funds from being sent there for no other reason than Cali didn't vote for him. His goal was to punish Californians. His whole life he's gone out of his way to make people suffer in order to make him feel important and everyone else appear as lesser beings.

And lets not forget too, perhaps the most overt example, was his use of the national guard and federal police to attack protesters in Lafayette Square and clear them away from the premises of St. John's just so he could take a stupid picture holding a bible up in front of the church, not because they were damaging anything or hurting anyone, just for his stupid photo op.

[Chips]

Yep, all Trump's fault. I mean sat on Death Row after being sentenced to death in a federal court, only delayed due to arguments over the legality of the drugs was it? All those years it could have been commuted, all those years the death penalty could have been dropped. Instead, when it gets carried out after the (was it "unofficial"?) moratorium on executions at the federal level was lifted, it's Trump wanting to ensure people die before he left.

Guess non of the other Presidents nor the Supreme court or overall legal system could have done ANYTHING to stop any of it happening over the last x years. They certainly seemed to show no intention to back then. Meanwhile, at the state level, executions have continued (at about half the rate they were when Obama was around!) every single year.

Issue is the death penalty, not the fact a sentence that's been waiting 20 odd years finally happened. Blame the entire US Justice system over the last 20 years. That's how you got to the point where 5 people are being executed...

I sympathise as it sounds like the guy really turned a corner and was going well in prison - reformed. But... that's their justice system. Barbaric? To me, yes. But Trumps fault? No. It's America's fault with Trump being the fall guy. Could he have stopped it? Sure. So could other Presidents and the justices. However, they're not seen as monsters for some weird reason. Sure, make him out to be the bad guy in this - but you're excusing the entire mechanism that actually caused it. Way to go, you show em with the "Trump evil".

[Vertigo 7]

Yep, all Trump's fault. I mean sat on Death Row after being sentenced to death in a federal court, only delayed due to arguments over the legality of the drugs was it? All those years it could have been commuted, all those years the death penalty could have been dropped. Instead, when it gets carried out after the (was it "unofficial"?) moratorium on executions at the federal level was lifted, it's Trump wanting to ensure people die before he left.

Guess non of the other Presidents nor the Supreme court or overall legal system could have done ANYTHING to stop any of it happening over the last x years. They certainly seemed to show no intention to back then. Meanwhile, at the state level, executions have continued (at about half the rate they were when Obama was around!) every single year.

Issue is the death penalty, not the fact a sentence that's been waiting 20 odd years finally happened. Blame the entire US Justice system over the last 20 years. That's how you got to the point where 5 people are being executed...

I sympathise as it sounds like the guy really turned a corner and was going well in prison - reformed. But... that's their justice system. Barbaric? To me, yes. But Trumps fault? No. It's America's fault with Trump being the fall guy. Could he have stopped it? Sure. So could other Presidents and the justices. However, they're not seen as monsters for some weird reason. Sure, make him out to be the bad guy in this - but you're excusing the entire mechanism that actually caused it. Way to go, you show em with the "Trump evil".

I can see your point, and you're right. But you're also being unfair. Trump isn't evil because he decided it was a good day to execute death row inmates, he's evil because that's how he's always been and this is merely just a small part of the bigger picture.

Yes, absolutely, the US justice system is all kinds of screwed up. Trump can also be a horrible person at the same time. Neither should give the other a pass.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

Evil requires intelligence, organization, a damaged but brilliant mind. Amorality is characteristic to animals, to instinct. And that is what Trump is looking: an animal, put in a corner, desperate to find a way to be back the ruthless predator he thinks he's supposed to be.

Death sentence is an absurdity which should be only present in dictatorships and tribal nations: is USA the former or the latter?

[Vertigo 7]

Evil requires intelligence, organization, a damaged but brilliant mind. Amorality is characteristic to animals, to instinct. And that is what Trump is looking: an animal, put in a corner, desperate to find a way to be back the ruthless predator he thinks he's supposed to be.

Death sentence is an absurdity which should be only present in dictatorships and tribal nations: is USA the former or the latter?

Whole heartedly disagree on the first point. The specific acts may require some or all of those things, but the intent or what lives in someone's heart just requires a ****** up person. If Trump hadn't been given his wealth from his father, all other circumstances of his life being the same, he still would have grown into a hateful, twisted person, just without the means to impose much of himself on others, much less the country or the world.

[matthewfarmery]

Evil requires intelligence, organization, a damaged but brilliant mind. Amorality is characteristic to animals, to instinct. And that is what Trump is looking: an animal, put in a corner, desperate to find a way to be back the ruthless predator he thinks he's supposed to be.

Death sentence is an absurdity which should be only present in dictatorships and tribal nations: is USA the former or the latter?

Whole heartedly disagree on the first point. The specific acts may require some or all of those things, but the intent or what lives in someone's heart just requires a ****** up person. If Trump hadn't been given his wealth from his father, all other circumstances of his life being the same, he still would have grown into a hateful, twisted person, just without the means to impose much of himself on others, much less the country or the world.

I also agree with what Vertigo 7 said. Also He got a lot of money from the US apprentice. But still, much of that money will be gone now. But I also think Trump is evil. He got quite a few mental conditions. But he is also vindictive, and that clearly shows. He might not be that intelligent, but his nature speaks for itself.

[felter]

I don't think being intelligent has anything to do with being Evil I do think you can be as dumb as they come and still do evil acts. I think the difference would be that the dumb person doesn't realise that they are evil while an intelligent person knows they are but just doesn't care. I think Trump comes into the dumb version as I don't think he has any kind of reasonable intelligence.

When I was washing the dishes earlier, I was thinking, if the Republican party had been in any other country in the world, America would be taking out sanctions against the political party and the leaders of that party for being undemocratic and inciting violence against the people of that country. Maybe other countries should be looking at doing the same, with sanctions against the leaders of the GOP for doing just that. Sanctions should be considered against Donald Trump, The Trump organisation and its CEO's, along with the likes of Mitch McConnell and other leaders of the GOP, where all foreign Bank accounts and all foreign assets should be seized and all business dealings with them should be criminalised. This is what the GOP and American senate would do if it was happening in another country.

[felter]

So Biden has been finally confirmed and certified as the next President of the United States of America, and Trump still wont let it go. Meanwhile William Barr has quit as Trumps Attorney General and will leave the position on December 23rd, he isn't even going to wait till January 20th, the question is, was he pushed or did he just jump. Talking about jumping, it sounds like the Whitehouse is a pretty lonely place to work, as everyone who worked there is abandoning the job like rats jumping from a sinking ship and there is no one to replace them.

[Tolmos]

So Biden has been finally confirmed and certified as the next President of the United States of America, and Trump still wont let it go.

The night Biden won for the first time I cracked open a bottle of wine; the first alcohol I had drank in years. Then he was challenged and had to win again... and again... and again. I drank some of those times but started to worry after a while that all the winning might turn me into an alcoholic.

At this point, though, any meaningful challenge is over with the SCOTUS ruling (or lack thereof), so perhaps just one more drink is in order lol.

[Vertigo 7]

So Biden has been finally confirmed and certified as the next President of the United States of America, and Trump still wont let it go.

The night Biden won for the first time I cracked open a bottle of wine; the first alcohol I had drank in years. Then he was challenged and had to win again... and again... and again. I drank some of those times but started to worry after a while that all the winning might turn me into an alcoholic.

At this point, though, any meaningful challenge is over with the SCOTUS ruling (or lack thereof), so perhaps just one more drink is in order lol.

Do yourself a favor and save it till noon est on Jan 20. Half of the house republicans signed onto the Texas AG's BS lawsuit to keep Biden from the presidency. Who knows what other asinine shit they're going to try to pull between now and then, or McConnel for that matter. Never trust a republican to do the right thing - ever.

[jlehtone]

Never trust a republican to do the right thing - ever.

Do you mean, as in:
Captain Jack Sparrow: “Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.”

[felter]

So both McConell and Putin have now congratulated Biden on winning the Presidential election. Meaning, Trump has lost two of his main supporters and allies as they have now both conceded the election win to the opposition.

[pjknibbs]

Surprised it took McConnell this long--he's usually pretty quick at jumping on any bandwagon he can find that might extend his grasp on power, after all, and it's surely been obvious for days now that the Trump boat has sunk and no amount of court rulings will raise it again.

[Vertigo 7]

Surprised it took McConnell this long--he's usually pretty quick at jumping on any bandwagon he can find that might extend his grasp on power, after all, and it's surely been obvious for days now that the Trump boat has sunk and no amount of court rulings will raise it again.

The reason is pretty obvious. Moscow Mitch's voters and the Very Stable Genius's voters are the same people. Look at the republicans that have been eviscerated because they didn't repeat Trump's lies about the election. Governors, State Attorneys General, Secretaries of States, and a whole host of other government officials, all republican, have all received Trump's ire and the Trumpanzies have turned against them too.

Brave, brave men the GOP has. They must be so proud.

[Mightysword]

Surprised it took McConnell this long--he's usually pretty quick at jumping on any bandwagon he can find that might extend his grasp on power, after all, and it's surely been obvious for days now that the Trump boat has sunk and no amount of court rulings will raise it again.

I said this before right after the election is over, no matter what happened Trump still got a lot of vote and Republican don't want it to appear they're simply throwing him over the bridge. I think his (and to an extend the Republican) make perfect sense from a political point of view, regardless of how it looks from a moral POV. Their token support is not because they believe it would go anywhere, but one: to show the 70mil voted for Trump they tried, and two to use that to fuel the next cycle.

Tbh I started to wonder if it's really true that Trump was the one who bend the Republican to his will or it is Trump being played the fool by the Republican all along. For example, from an election point of view, it would make more sense to wait the last Justice appointment until after the elections, but Trump pushed for it to happens before, and I wouldn't surprise if it was McConnel who planted that idea in his Trump's head. Looking back the last 4 years, Republican managed to accomplished quite a few of their long term Conservative agenda while having to pay little in term of political capital by having Trump absorbed most of the heat. And with most of the blame and scrutiny are put on Trump head, with him going down in a magnificent ball of flame, I think history will credit McConnell.

I admit I totally underestimate how shrew McConnell is.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

Surprised it took McConnell this long--he's usually pretty quick at jumping on any bandwagon he can find that might extend his grasp on power, after all, and it's surely been obvious for days now that the Trump boat has sunk and no amount of court rulings will raise it again.

I said this before right after the election is over, no matter what happened Trump still got a lot of vote and Republican don't want it to appear they're simply throwing him over the bridge. I think his (and to an extend the Republican) make perfect sense from a political point of view, regardless of how it looks from a moral POV. Their token support is not because they believe it would go anywhere, but one: to show the 70mil voted for Trump they tried, and two to use that to fuel the next cycle.

Tbh I started to wonder if it's really true that Trump was the one who bend the Republican to his will or it is Trump being played the fool by the Republican all along. For example, from an election point of view, it would make more sense to wait the last Justice appointment until after the elections, but Trump pushed for it to happens before, and I wouldn't surprise if it was McConnel who planted that idea in his Trump's head. Looking back the last 4 years, Republican managed to accomplished quite a few of their long term Conservative agenda while having to pay little in term of political capital by having Trump absorbed most of the heat. And with most of the blame and scrutiny are put on Trump head, with him going down in a magnificent ball of flame, I think history will credit McConnell.

I admit I totally underestimate how shrew McConnell is.

I agree. On the other hand, Trump managed to get a lot of voters for himself (I can't estimate how many, but they may be a relevant number) and there's the possibility those voters are looking for another Trump-like candidate in the future. This may or may not harm the Republican party, but the establishment is probably avoiding a moderate person, at least for the next term. This is bad for USA.

[pjknibbs]

On the other hand, Trump managed to get a lot of voters for himself (I can't estimate how many, but they may be a relevant number) and there's the possibility those voters are looking for another Trump-like candidate in the future.

Assuming he doesn't end up in prison or the grave, it's entirely possible for Trump to run again in 2024, Lord help us...

[felter]

Looks like no one wants the Trump's as their neighbour. They have all but been chased out of New York, where none of their old acquaintances want anything to do with them, which is why they are for moving into Mar-a-lago, but it turns out the people who stay there also don't want the Trump's as their neighbour and they have started legal action to prevent the Trumps from permanently moving in. Their argument is that when Trump changed Mar-a-lago into a private club from a private residency, part of the agreement for allowing him to do so, was that Mar-a-lago would never become a permanent residency. Meaning he can go there for the weekend to play golf, but he can't stay there permanently and the residents are doing everything they can to make sure he abides by this agreement.

[RegisterMe]

Somebody made me watch this. It's extremely painful. You've been warned.

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