EGOSOFT and Deep Silver announce X Rebirth (updated 2011-07-29)
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I must say, although functionality may be the same when it comes to remote piloting... I'm still disappointed. Don't get me wrong, it sounds a good game and I'll be buying it right away... but it won't be an X game... it'll be something else. It'll be strange.
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http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 91#3683491Tycow wrote:http://www.thegamersblog.com/review/egosoft-interview/
This was posted on the Egosoft Facebook page. I didn't see a link here...
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1. You don't know it's tinyNoimageavaiable wrote:stuck with some tiny outdated ship that is killed by the first lucky PPC salvo. How are Empire builders supposed to make large scale fleet combat like that? Instead they seem to focus on the story, that one part they always failed miserably at and which no one ever liked nor wanted.
2. You don't know it is outdated
3. You don't know how you can upgrade it
4. You don't know how much abuse it can take before it's killed
5. You don't know if PPC is in X:Rebirth
6. I want a plot. It may not be the best bit of the game (that's definitely the sandbox). But I still want one for first time playthru...
You make some huge assumptions with that post. They may turn out to be true (I doubt most of them will) but there's still no way you can know what you said, for sure. There just isn't enough released info yet!
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1. Yes I do. The very first trailer showed it alongside two fighters and it's barely the size of an M6perkint wrote:1. You don't know it's tiny
2. You don't know it is outdated
3. You don't know how you can upgrade it
4. You don't know how much abuse it can take before it's killed
5. You don't know if PPC is in X:Rebirth
6. I want a plot. It may not be the best bit of the game (that's definitely the sandbox). But I still want one for first time playthru...
You make some huge assumptions with that post. They may turn out to be true (I doubt most of them will) but there's still no way you can know what you said, for sure. There just isn't enough released info yet!
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2. Yes I do. Ships fresh from the staple don't tend to have a glorious past.
3. Either it'll be massively underpowered in the late game or totally overpowered like the Xperimental in BTF. Both options are bad.
4. Either it will be an appropriate amount for such a small vessel or it will be ridiculously sturdy like the Xperimental was once you got those 125MW shields.
5. Then replace PPC with whatever the heavy capital gun will be in XR.
6. You said it yourself, it's not the best part and nobody buys the game because of the plot. People would buy an X game without plot but no one would ever buy an X game without sandbox.
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But without seeing it against the bigger ships in the game you can't know how it compares.Noimageavaiable wrote:1. Yes I do. The very first trailer showed it alongside two fighters and it's barely the size of an M6perkint wrote:1. You don't know it's tiny
2. You don't know it is outdated
3. You don't know how you can upgrade it
4. You don't know how much abuse it can take before it's killed
5. You don't know if PPC is in X:Rebirth
6. I want a plot.
But again, we have no info as to how tech has evolved since it was produced! And just because the ship may have been kicking around for a while doesn't mean it's tech has not been updated.Noimageavaiable wrote:2. Yes I do. Ships fresh from the staple don't tend to have a glorious past.
So there's no possibility for any middle ground? Yeah - OKNoimageavaiable wrote:3. Either it'll be massively underpowered in the late game or totally overpowered like the Xperimental in BTF. Both options are bad.
4. Either it will be an appropriate amount for such a small vessel or it will be ridiculously sturdy like the Xperimental was once you got those 125MW shields.

You said "no one ever liked nor wanted." which I disagree with! I liked playing through the plot and want it in X:R!Noimageavaiable wrote:6. You said it yourself, it's not the best part and nobody buys the game because of the plot. People would buy an X game without plot but no one would ever buy an X game without sandbox.
Anyway, my real point was that you are making some huge assumptions that you cannot know!
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Bleh, I went back as far as page 78.Skeeter wrote:http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 91#3683491Tycow wrote:http://www.thegamersblog.com/review/egosoft-interview/
This was posted on the Egosoft Facebook page. I didn't see a link here...
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I can compare fighters to bigger ships and the player ship to fighters and thus I can approximate how big the player ship is in relation to bigger ships.perkint wrote:But without seeing it against the bigger ships in the game you can't know how it compares.
The world may have been created by a purple dinosaur, but just because it may have been we don't assume it was.But again, we have no info as to how tech has evolved since it was produced! And just because the ship may have been kicking around for a while doesn't mean it's tech has not been updated.
The middle ground would be the appropriate shielding for an M6 class vessel, which is absolutely insufficient against capital grade weaponry. The alternative would be capital grade shields on a ship much smaller than any capital ship. Imagine a Springblossom with 8GJ shields, do you really think that's a balanced ship?So there's no possibility for any middle ground? Yeah - OK
So you're saying people play X because of the plot, not the sandbox? Now that's a bold assumption.[/b]You said "no one ever liked nor wanted." which I disagree with! I liked playing through the plot and want it in X:R!
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No, but you're making such gross assumptions.Noimageavaiable wrote:The world may have been created by a purple dinosaur, but just because it may have been we don't assume it was.But again, we have no info as to how tech has evolved since it was produced! And just because the ship may have been kicking around for a while doesn't mean it's tech has not been updated.
So you're not happy with low, high or middle? OK...Noimageavaiable wrote:The middle ground would be the appropriate shielding for an M6 class vessel, which is absolutely insufficient against capital grade weaponry. The alternative would be capital grade shields on a ship much smaller than any capital ship. Imagine a Springblossom with 8GJ shields, do you really think that's a balanced ship?
Pretty sure, as can be seen in what you quoted, I was quite clearing saying what I wanted in response to you saying "no one [...] wanted". Anyway, this is turning into an argument which does not belong in this thread. If you really want to continue, we should do it away from here before a mod slaps us!Noimageavaiable wrote:So you're saying people play X because of the plot, not the sandbox? Now that's a bold assumption.[/b]You said "no one ever liked nor wanted." which I disagree with! I liked playing through the plot and want it in X:R!

PM me if you really feel the need to continue...
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Good call.perkint wrote:...Anyway, this is turning into an argument which does not belong in this thread. If you really want to continue, we should do it away from here before a mod slaps us!...

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I just read that interview and was first time I heard about being able to navigate inside a ship. I am now jonesing for the game. I dont care if its 1 ship type, its a first and makes the immersion level so much better. Yeah it would be cool to walk inside some of the capitol ships but lets be honest, that would be a huge undertaking.
I am just glad we have a company still putting out games like this instead of folding where everywhere I turn my golden oldies are being turned into FPS titles. Who knows what the modding community can do with it tho once they get their hands on it.
I just cant believe this is gonna be released that soon with nothing but a trailer and a few tidbits so far. Unless Egosoft is very good at keeping secrets I cant see this til next year. But they sold me with ship interior already. I like the X series but how many different iterations can you do with empire mode, I for one am looking forward to a cool story and then play til my hearts content.
I am just glad we have a company still putting out games like this instead of folding where everywhere I turn my golden oldies are being turned into FPS titles. Who knows what the modding community can do with it tho once they get their hands on it.
I just cant believe this is gonna be released that soon with nothing but a trailer and a few tidbits so far. Unless Egosoft is very good at keeping secrets I cant see this til next year. But they sold me with ship interior already. I like the X series but how many different iterations can you do with empire mode, I for one am looking forward to a cool story and then play til my hearts content.
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First Day Purchase Unlikely!
Well the first day purchase is looking unlikely!
It was not always this way, although I do not make a habit of buying new games without researching professional and player reviews, X Rebirth was different. As I have enjoyed playing the previous games in the X series this purchase could have gone through on the nod.
When I heard of XR at the start of the year I could see me being enthused by details of new gameplay through the year and playing the new game next Christmas Day. All I need to buy a new game is:-
1. The game has to look and operate well enough on my computer to be worth investing the cash.
2. The gameplay has to be interesting and exciting enough to be not a waste of my time investment.
Normally I need convincing of these things but with the track record of X, I only needed confirmation with XR. Well the publisher has failed abysmally at that, by insulting all the members of this community by treating us all like a crop of mushrooms, only the dev. community and addicts with more money than sense are going to buy this game on release day.
At this stage of a games release computer magazine reviewers would normally have played an advanced or beta copy and informed the potential buyers of, the spec. of machine it can be played on, rough idea of gameplay and the purchase price. What do we know on this site of devoted fans about XR? We do not even know if it will play on our PC.s and the final grains of sand are about to fall through the timer. I was amazed yesterday to read posts by knowledgeable and experienced members of this forum STILL discussing where they might be able to buy the game, no definitive conclusion was reached?
Well I think Egosoft should get the CO. of Deep Silver to write a thread on this forum explaining exactly why he has felt it necessary to mess up the promotion of this new game, by treating us all like a crop of mushrooms!
I for one would like to hear from him why, he thought treating us all with such high handed disregard, would help sell the product?
It was not always this way, although I do not make a habit of buying new games without researching professional and player reviews, X Rebirth was different. As I have enjoyed playing the previous games in the X series this purchase could have gone through on the nod.
When I heard of XR at the start of the year I could see me being enthused by details of new gameplay through the year and playing the new game next Christmas Day. All I need to buy a new game is:-
1. The game has to look and operate well enough on my computer to be worth investing the cash.
2. The gameplay has to be interesting and exciting enough to be not a waste of my time investment.
Normally I need convincing of these things but with the track record of X, I only needed confirmation with XR. Well the publisher has failed abysmally at that, by insulting all the members of this community by treating us all like a crop of mushrooms, only the dev. community and addicts with more money than sense are going to buy this game on release day.
At this stage of a games release computer magazine reviewers would normally have played an advanced or beta copy and informed the potential buyers of, the spec. of machine it can be played on, rough idea of gameplay and the purchase price. What do we know on this site of devoted fans about XR? We do not even know if it will play on our PC.s and the final grains of sand are about to fall through the timer. I was amazed yesterday to read posts by knowledgeable and experienced members of this forum STILL discussing where they might be able to buy the game, no definitive conclusion was reached?
Well I think Egosoft should get the CO. of Deep Silver to write a thread on this forum explaining exactly why he has felt it necessary to mess up the promotion of this new game, by treating us all like a crop of mushrooms!
I for one would like to hear from him why, he thought treating us all with such high handed disregard, would help sell the product?
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Its been mentioned a few times, but maybe not all recent posters have seen it, but the game has been delayed until 2012, which the gamescon presentation video shows on its left hand side.
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We don't know exactly at what stage the game is now. Release is 2012, that is a few months away. So what exactly you want from them?
It may may run with 4 gb or ram... or not.
It may run on a AMD/Intel Dual-Core 2.2 GHz ... or not.
It may run on a 256 MB 100% DirectX 9 AND Shaders 3.0 compatible. ATI Radeon X1600 XT / Intel HD / NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT or higher... or not.
The game is not finished.
Bernd was going to post on forums regarding the game play in a few days/weeks, and the newsletter will come out at the end of September hopefully with more information.
It may may run with 4 gb or ram... or not.
It may run on a AMD/Intel Dual-Core 2.2 GHz ... or not.
It may run on a 256 MB 100% DirectX 9 AND Shaders 3.0 compatible. ATI Radeon X1600 XT / Intel HD / NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT or higher... or not.
The game is not finished.
Bernd was going to post on forums regarding the game play in a few days/weeks, and the newsletter will come out at the end of September hopefully with more information.
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Precisely!
Precisely, you say it for me, we know nothing, santi!
The 'or not' totally negates the info. before it and you use it three times.
To be fully useful the PC spec.s ideally should have been released a year before release. A lot of X players have replaced their rigs this year, the earlier this info. could be released the more of them could have avoided wasting money on inadequate eq.
This game has been Beta tested all this year, that means it has been finally tested on various PC.s this info. could have been released as it came in.
If the release has been postponed for a year, and this is only espionage until it is announced, the PC specs should be released now to stop more site members wasting their money.
What I would like, is in my last post, simple!
The 'or not' totally negates the info. before it and you use it three times.
To be fully useful the PC spec.s ideally should have been released a year before release. A lot of X players have replaced their rigs this year, the earlier this info. could be released the more of them could have avoided wasting money on inadequate eq.
This game has been Beta tested all this year, that means it has been finally tested on various PC.s this info. could have been released as it came in.
If the release has been postponed for a year, and this is only espionage until it is announced, the PC specs should be released now to stop more site members wasting their money.
What I would like, is in my last post, simple!
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Re: Precisely!
If they were, they'd be useless. Engine optimisation is usually one of the last stages of development therefore they'd be basing system requirements on a virtually completely un-optimised version of the game. Not much use for a CPU intensive game like the X series... They would bare no resemblance to what would actually be required for the released game.David Howland wrote:PC spec.s ideally should have been released a year before release.
David Howland wrote:This game has been Beta tested all this year

That the release has been delayed is not really espionage, since it is on the official video at gamescon. But that's not a years delay, it's a delay from last quarter 2011 to "some time" 2012.David Howland wrote:If the release has been postponed for a year, and this is only espionage until it is announced, the PC specs should be released now
I don't agree with all your statements (obviously


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Beta Testing!
Hi Tim,
My impudent presumption of nine months Beta testing was based on:-
1. I thought I had read some mention of it amongst the announcements in the new year.
2. It is normal practice to say a game is on the final phase to launch and give a first approx. launch time at the end of main development and alpha testing and the start of Beta testing. To do it before this time is irresponsible guesswork and to do it later makes you look lame publicity wise as the wider Beta testing usually lets the 'cat out of the bag' so to speak, so you might as well use this final test period to sell the product.
Also if ES. were intending releasing the game by the end of the year without allowing several months of Beta testing, it would be so incompetent as to be unbelievable.
My impudent presumption of nine months Beta testing was based on:-
1. I thought I had read some mention of it amongst the announcements in the new year.
2. It is normal practice to say a game is on the final phase to launch and give a first approx. launch time at the end of main development and alpha testing and the start of Beta testing. To do it before this time is irresponsible guesswork and to do it later makes you look lame publicity wise as the wider Beta testing usually lets the 'cat out of the bag' so to speak, so you might as well use this final test period to sell the product.
Also if ES. were intending releasing the game by the end of the year without allowing several months of Beta testing, it would be so incompetent as to be unbelievable.
The BANISHED RETURNS.
HEALTH WARNING! Steam Damages Freedom Of Speech!
Congratulations Egosoft on increasing memory usage from 2 to 3 Gb.
Bin playing X too long when Egosoft refuses to sell you their latest game?
The only steam I want is in my kettle! STEAM=GAME OVER.
HEALTH WARNING! Steam Damages Freedom Of Speech!
Congratulations Egosoft on increasing memory usage from 2 to 3 Gb.
Bin playing X too long when Egosoft refuses to sell you their latest game?
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Re: Beta Testing!
Guess you don't play game much, this happens so often that it's unbelievable there is someone who believe it's unbelievableDavid Howland wrote: Also if ES. were intending releasing the game by the end of the year without allowing several months of Beta testing, it would be so incompetent as to be unbelievable.
