NEWS: Update 1.3 for Terran Conflict and X-News

RRRoamer · Post by **RRRoamer** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 04:54

shrikebtr wrote:That gives them all afternoon to run a hash and get it on some content servers before flipping the switch and heading home.

Only the INSANE would use this method to apply patched content to distribution servers...

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:13

shrikebtr wrote:Yes, it can, as past history has shown.

As I said in my previous post, what happened with other patches is irrelevant. Egosoft have stated that this patch is incompatible with the steam version. Given that statement, which I'm sure they wouldn't give if they didn't have good reason to do so, a dim view will be taken of anyone who suggests that such advice should be ignored.

If, having read and understood Egosoft's statement of incompatibility, you personally wish to ignore that, then as I said - be my guest. I'm merely asking that you don't suggest that other people try it, regardless of your own personal experience.

I can't imagine what is so complicated, especially since a game like X3:TC is so far from being integrated with Steam.

There's your problem. I happen to work in a tech support area myself, and in my experience, people without direct knowledge invariably underestimate the work involved in any tech support issue.

Malkuth74 · Post by **Malkuth74** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:14

Eladan I will bet you 2 million credits that they don't get the patch up to next week..... And only because we will be bitching to them to get it up.

I know of one other game on steam that has had a patch for 1 year, and they have not relaased it yet...... Seems when a game is not so popular anymore Steam ignores it.

Abaws · Post by **Abaws** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:34

Malkuth74 wrote:Eladan I will bet you 2 million credits that they don't get the patch up to next week..... And only because we will be bitching to them to get it up.

I know of one other game on steam that has had a patch for 1 year, and they have not relaased it yet...... Seems when a game is not so popular anymore Steam ignores it.

Vouch...even if its popular....

they tend to only keep their games up to date (Valve)

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:34

Malkuth74 wrote:Eladan I will bet you 2 million credits that they don't get the patch up to next week..... And only because we will be bitching to them to get it up.

I obviously have no knowledge of Valve's business practices, so I can't comment on their patching policy. I suggest that if you have an issue with them, you'll get more result (or at the very least, not less

) if you take it up with them rather than complaining here.

My comments earlier are more about the fact that regardless of their history, it was highly unrealistic to expect the patch to be available in the time frame thus allowed.

Abaws · Post by **Abaws** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:44

eladan wrote:
Malkuth74 wrote:Eladan I will bet you 2 million credits that they don't get the patch up to next week..... And only because we will be bitching to them to get it up.
I obviously have no knowledge of Valve's business practices, so I can't comment on their patching policy. I suggest that if you have an issue with them, you'll get more result (or at the very least, not less ) if you take it up with them rather than complaining here.

My comments earlier are more about the fact that regardless of their history, it was highly unrealistic to expect the patch to be available in the time frame thus allowed.

LoL Eladan...just to let you know...your total post today (I've actually been able to reach you and seen like 6-7 of your replies) well this is actually 6-7 times more than a month for the mod on steam...All they do is lock thread and don't reply PMs

go ahead try....

Dungeoncrawler · Post by **Dungeoncrawler** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:49

Hey gents. Nice to see the patch is live. Granted, I'm a steam user but I'll live

. Anyhoo, hows the performance post 1.3? I've been holding off playing TC because of this. Thanks Egosoft and keep up the great work!

CDc

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 05:55

@Abaws, yep. All I can say is that companies with poor customer service tend not to get my repeat business.

Malkuth74 · Post by **Malkuth74** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 06:12

OSS combat with Laser towers and Capital ships? They really fix this? Hope so.

frymaster · Post by **frymaster** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 06:18

thing is, valve have to get the stuff from egosoft, and check that it works
then they have to do whatever they do to integrate it with the steam client
then they have to do whatever they have to do so the changes they just made won't upset TAGES
then they have to test that the changes they've made don't break the game
then they have to distribute the patch to their worldwide mirrors
only then can they release the patch

and yes, there will also be more "avoidable" delays - valve have quite a "small company" vibe even these days, and you get the feeling if Joe In Charge Of Third Party Games (N-Z) isn't at his desk, then it won't be picked up by Fred (A-M). Bureaucracy is not their stong point (which is a mixed curse)

Maybe egosoft could have coordinated with steam and gone for simultaneous release. But that wouldn't have made the steam patch faster, it would have made the DVD patch slower. I see no reason they should suffer just because I do

At least with egosoft's semi-independance-from-publishers*, they can at least bring out their own patches. With some games, this would be the stage where the developers submit the patch to the publisher and they sit on it for a few months

*Obviously they need publishers to sell their games, but they're not owned by one, and they don't have exclusive worldwide deals with one

surferx · Post by **surferx** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 06:46

Thanks Egosoft. A nice early Christmas present and worth the wait. TBH though, I'm still slogging along in my game and other than the Patrol mission problems (problems making myself millions of credits????

) I have yet to find a game breaking bug. Case in point:

Vassenego wrote: Terran Plot, Sector M148 mission fixed

Fixed? I completed this mission. I got shot at but thought it was part of the
story. LOL.
In my estimation I could play for weeks more before needing this patch, however since it has many useful features I will d/l tomorrow, possibly making this version of X3 close to a 10 in terms of enjoyability.

[Edit] On second thought seeing posts of decreased mission payouts, I may hold off for a few.

shrikebtr · Post by **shrikebtr** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 07:18

eladan wrote:
shrikebtr wrote:Yes, it can, as past history has shown.
As I said in my previous post, what happened with other patches is irrelevant. Egosoft have stated that this patch is incompatible with the steam version. Given that statement, which I'm sure they wouldn't give if they didn't have good reason to do so, a dim view will be taken of anyone who suggests that such advice should be ignored.

If, having read and understood Egosoft's statement of incompatibility, you personally wish to ignore that, then as I said - be my guest. I'm merely asking that you don't suggest that other people try it, regardless of your own personal experience.

I can't imagine what is so complicated, especially since a game like X3:TC is so far from being integrated with Steam.
There's your problem. I happen to work in a tech support area myself, and in my experience, people without direct knowledge invariably underestimate the work involved in any tech support issue.

You should really consider re-reading what I wrote. I will say again:
Past precedent made a valid case for considering an attempt at a manual patch, hence my expressed curiosity. Someone has already tried this, it didn't work, game over.

All I am saying is that despite your self-righteous attitude, there were valid reasons to think it might work again. This is PC gaming afterall, people have a tendency to tinker. What I don't understand is your insistence that we not even mention such a thing could happen, or why you jumped down my throat for even bringing it up. It isn't like this is a game that people already are modifying at every level.

Anyway, I gave it a shot for giggles, and no it most definitely does not work. Seems like whatever Tages needs to do to tell itself it is validated wont take. *sigh* so short of wacky Tages tricks, we wait for Valve.

shrikebtr · Post by **shrikebtr** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 07:21

RRRoamer wrote:
shrikebtr wrote:That gives them all afternoon to run a hash and get it on some content servers before flipping the switch and heading home.
Only the INSANE would use this method to apply patched content to distribution servers...

With reasoning like that, how could I possibly contradict you! Maybe you can explain to me how Valve manages their patch distribution, so all of us Steam users can sit back and be indefinitely placated.

palm911 · Post by **palm911** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 07:45

thing is that egosoft cursed us with steam so we are pretty much f***ed and there is nothing we can do.

i DO blame egosoft for letting Steam handle its distribution to the americas, by the time it was launched i did not have any other choice.

is there a way to ask money back so i can buy the retail version?

thanks

Rmaccc · Post by **Rmaccc** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 07:58

anyone commenting on the patch instead of bickering about nonsense ?

get the scalpel out and tidy this up,its terrible for a quick peeker to come and find this instead of details about patch.

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 08:06

shrikebtr wrote:You should really consider re-reading what I wrote. I will say again:
Past precedent made a valid case for considering an attempt at a manual patch, hence my expressed curiosity. Someone has already tried this, it didn't work, game over.

Fine - consider it quietly, to yourself, but I repeat - when Egosoft has already said that the patch is not compatible with the steam version, please don't suggest that the information could be incorrect publicly on the forum, regardless about your personal experiences or beliefs. Egosoft wouldn't make the statement unless they were of the opinion that problems could be caused by application of the patch to the steam version. Any argument on this point is unhelpful, so can we please make this the last word on it.

palm911 wrote:thing is that egosoft cursed us with steam so we are pretty much f***ed and there is nothing we can do.

I can recall numerous posts prior to release begging Egosoft to release it on steam. I very much doubt that the lack of a North American release has anything to do with the steam release anyway.

999-JAY-999 · Post by **999-JAY-999** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 08:55

This patch release and general support these guys here provide, some major companies out there need to get off there asses and take a careful look and learn from here

Cracking stuff, cant wait to try patch.

Such a great game and after sales service.....

X2-Eliah · Post by **X2-Eliah** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 09:14

Seems so far the patch is working beautifully - the company sub-missions now spawn a sane amount of red pirates.. Thanks!

Haven't yet tried any invasion/patrol missions, I hope their numbers are reduced along the rewards..

jimmynuts · Post by **jimmynuts** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 09:39

WOHOOO there be boarding torpedoes to buy now !!!

1) My game seems to be running faster
2) no more massed Xenon patrols! yessss
3) will keep testing

warning: still no sign of aldrin producing an EEMCs yet.....

plynak · Post by **plynak** » Fri, 5. Dec 08, 09:46

May I have a question regarding the plot missions? I have finshed the first missions of the Terran campaign as well as the first mission of the Final Fury and for the hub I am about to bring some materials. Will I be able to continue these campaigns after the patch?
And one more question about the Python. I can see that the hull was fixed but how about the ability to mount flaks? Can it mount them now or not? If not, than my favorite M2 from Reunion has a real disadvantage

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NEWS: Update 1.3 for Terran Conflict and X-News

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