Trump

[fiksal]

Can I speak for the left? Not sure if left agrees with me.

If you were to ask me, I'd say every such messed up behavior should be on display and on trial, always. Dont stop speaking up just because the crook is somehow important.

Not even sure what you're talking here. So I'm guessing you missed what I was saying.

To clarify, this isnt about winning anything. It's simply what's right and what's wrong.

[Mightysword]

Can I speak for the left? Not sure if left agrees with me.

If you were to ask me, I'd say every such messed up behavior should be on display and on trial, always. Dont stop speaking up just because the crook is somehow important.

Not even sure what you're talking here. So I'm guessing you missed what I was saying.

To clarify, this isnt about winning anything. It's simply what's right and what's wrong.

Well, I'm not arguing either way, because I'm not sure how the what you're talking related to what I was saying. Since you quoted mine I would assume it relates somehow, but the connection is lost on me.

[Vertigo 7]

Is anyone surprised? I'm not.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-vl ... at-2893374

More winning by Trump! Germany has rated him the biggest threat to world peace... Bravo! #1 in something!

[fiksal]

Not even sure what you're talking here. So I'm guessing you missed what I was saying.

To clarify, this isnt about winning anything. It's simply what's right and what's wrong.

Well, I'm not arguing either way, because I'm not sure how the what you're talking related to what I was saying. Since you quoted mine I would assume it relates somehow, but the connection is lost on me.

Doesnt matter then. The reply to the purpose of the hearing.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-gi ... rt-2019-12

Rudy Colludy just can't stop messing with things that he has no business messing with.

[fiksal]

Shadow dealings and back channels is his feature.

[Tycow]

Well, the overnight news is somewhat worrying. Assassinating the second most powerful man in the Iranian regime isn't going to go down well... and as ever, there is a Trump criticising Trump tweet from 2011:

@realDonaldTrump
In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.
7:48 PM · Nov 29, 2011

EDIT: Oh wait, there's more:

“Now that Obama’s numbers are in a tailspin watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate."
- Donald Trump, tweeted on Oct. 6, 2012

“Don’t let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected – be careful Republicans!”
- Donald Trump, tweeted on Oct. 22, 2012

“Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly – not skilled!”
- Donald Trump, tweeted on Nov. 12, 2012

[Len5]

Iran started this by killing and wounding Americans that Trump didn't send there. And maybe Obama should've started a war with Iran, but he certainly should've never made that nuclear deal with that terrorist country.

[Vertigo 7]

Iran started this by killing and wounding Americans that Trump didn't send there. And maybe Obama should've started a war with Iran, but he certainly should've never made that nuclear deal with that terrorist country.

That's pretty short sighted and ill-informed. "That nuclear deal" was a bi-lateral agreement between Iran and the US, UK, Russia, France, China, Germany, and the EU to end Iran's attempts at nuclear armament. Why would you think war is a preferable alternative to that?

[felter]

Iran started this by killing and wounding Americans that Trump didn't send there. And maybe Obama should've started a war with Iran, but he certainly should've never made that nuclear deal with that terrorist country.

For such a short statement, there is so much wrong with it, actually the whole thing is wrong.
I don't know what Americans you are talking about, but if it was those Americans that were in the compound in Iraq. If it is well, for starters this began long before then, not just that there is absolutely no evidence that Iran was involved on that instance, we only have the word from a compulsive liar and a lying government that it was Iran and you cannot believe a liar. You also say Trump didn't send there he has been in office for several years now long enough that you cannot blame anything that is happening now on anyone previous if Trump and the current government thinks they shouldn't be there then they could have removed them right now they are there on behalf of the current US President AKA Trump and the current American Government. Not just that Trump pulled the troops put of Syria abandoning allies remember that (I'll come back to them) and where did he send them, Iraq so yes he sent them there.
Why should he have started a war he did the better thing he actually saved lives and went after peace he was involved in a damn good agreement that was actually working things were improving in Iran even the populace were grumbling about there own Government and demanding changes for the better not any more. If there is a war with Iran it will not go the same way as it did with Iraq it's a war that no one wants and the world does not need it.
As for them being a terrorist country the only people calling them that is America and a few others who have been fighting Iraq for centuries. The reason that America is calling them a Terrorist state is because allegedly they fund certain groups that someone else calls terrorists, if you use the same logic then America is also a Terrorist state remember those abandoned allies in Syria Turkey accuses them of being Terrorists and America funded them trained them and supplied them with the weapons they use.

The current problem with Iran was not started by Iran, it all leads back to one certain individual, as I have said things were going fine with Iran they were complying with the agreement and things were going great. It was improving, things were getting better, then Trump came along and F****d it all up. He made a mess of things and took things back to how they were 10 years ago. Back then I said, if he went through with it Americans will die that it would get more dangerous for Americans, I also said that there would only be one single person that would be to blame for those deaths and that was Donald Trump. That is who there is to blame for all of those lives that have ended, not Iran not even the American people or it's government, just Donald J. Trump.

[Gavrushka]

Iran started this by killing and wounding Americans that Trump didn't send there. And maybe Obama should've started a war with Iran, but he certainly should've never made that nuclear deal with that terrorist country.

For such a short statement, there is so much wrong with it, actually the whole thing is wrong.

There's a horrible, horrible truth about the bubble of 'truth' that certain factions within many countries choose to accept as 'reliable sources,' and I've a feeling that people of particularly extreme beliefs blinker themselves to news outlets that mirror their beliefs. - I guess it is why you often see people making ludicrous indefensible statements, and then either obfuscating, misdirecting or simply shouting out their denial when confronted with factual rebuttals of their position. - It's why dreadful politicians can rise to power, and we've now witnessed it both sides of the Atlantic.

I would ask anyone who is proficient in such areas whether it was legal under international law to assassinate a military figure in a country that you're not at war with, or does the US hold domestic law above International law?

[Vertigo 7]

I seriously question the political motives involved here. Historically, incumbent presidents have been reelected when the US is at war. Given everything Trump has done has been for no benefit other than his own, I would not be surprised if he's trying to provoke Iran into a war just to boost his reelection chances. I doubt any legality of the assassination was even a passing concern to him.

I don't deny that Iran has been a threat to the region, but this whole thing just stinks. Course, there's gonna be those that just want to see carnage and will applaud anytime we're pulling the trigger despite any nonviolent alternatives.

[Len5]

The Iranian regime is screwing around in Iraq and many other countries well before Trump was president. Iran isn't even secretive about the wish to wipe Israel of the map, with words and actions.
But the hate for Trump is clouding the judgement. All of a sudden there seems to be nothing wrong with Iran and the regime is innocent.

[Vertigo 7]

The Iranian regime is screwing around in Iraq and many other countries well before Trump was president. Iran isn't even secretive about the wish to wipe Israel of the map, with words and actions.
But the hate for Trump is clouding the judgement. All of a sudden there seems to be nothing wrong with Iran and the regime is innocent.

uhh huh... except no one has said that.

[theeclownbroze]

There's nothing Iran can do about this, Any sort of retaliation, whether against Israel, Nato etc, Israel can easily wipe Iran off the map with their nukes. This will however, strengthen Russia and China's resolve with helping Iran gain a stronger position in the middle east.

[RegisterMe]

There's nothing Iran can do about this, Any sort of retaliation, whether against Israel, Nato etc, Israel can easily wipe Iran off the map with their nukes. This will however, strengthen Russia and China's resolve with helping Iran gain a stronger position in the middle east.

The Straights of Hormuz might suggest otherwise.

[Axeface]

Pointing fingers at Iran is hypocricy at its finest, its quite revolting.
I remember hearing a quote a long time ago, dont remember who or what (might have been someone quite distastefull) it was from but it always rings in my head during these kinds of situations:-

"A pack of rabid dogs bark and the fools fear the toothless mutt".

And its weird, Trump is gauranteed to win this year so why bother - in fact i'de bet that its his teams (and his russian teams) touting Sanders for president online ad nauseam - they know that the US populace will never, ever, elect a socialist.

[felter]

You cannot use Israel for any kind of justification, as Israel is probably in my books at least the biggest terrorist country on the planet, they cause death and fear to many countries, not just Iran. As for Iran calling Israel and not liking Israel, I don't think there is any country in the Middle East that does like them, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Palestine and many many more do not like or get along with Israel. Even saying that if Israel and Iran don't get along, that has nothing to do with America. As for accusing them of messing with Iraq, America has been doing that for far longer than anyone else has been including Iran, not just that have you ever actually looked at an atlas, have you never noticed Iran and Iraq are neighbours, what happens in Iraq effects Iran and vice versa they have more of a right than America does to be there.

I said Americans would die if Trump screwed with Iran, I said it on this very thread before Trump screwed up with them so don't even think that it is just being said that Trump screwed up because he is an ass hole and no one likes him, no it is being said because he was told beforehand what would happen and he still went ahead and did it, he does not give a toss about America or Americans, he only cares about himself, and everything that is happening right now is his fault not Iran.

[RegisterMe]

I can't see a way for the leaders of Iran to avoid a need to retaliate. They've spent the last forty years building up the threat of the "Great Satan". Roll over now because one of their senior military / foreign policy people (note, for all I would consider him a terrorist, he was also a state employee, not a stateless random) was assassinated by the US? Not a chance.

This wasn't some random mullah being knocked off in Somalia. The equivalent would be the Iranians taking out Pompeo or McRaven.

So will they play "fair"? Not a chance. Iran's expertise in this situation is not, first and foremost, symmetric warfare.

EDIT: Needless to say I hope I'm wrong .