Coronavirus: COVID-19

[mr.WHO]

EU managed to get into agreement about COVID stimulous in just 90 hours.
I start to think that somewhere during COVID, aliens abducted EU leaders and replaced them with actually competent lizzardmen

[clakclak]

Can we take a moment to talk about those among us who activly want to further the spread of the virus. For example these people. How does one deal with such people?

[Vertigo 7]

Can we take a moment to talk about those among us who activly want to further the spread of the virus. For example these people. How does one deal with such people?

Treat them as bio terrorists.

[mr.WHO]

Can we take a moment to talk about those among us who activly want to further the spread of the virus. For example these people. How does one deal with such people?

19$ for mask that is not working? I think these people will eliminate themselves in the long run with consecutive bad financial decisions.

Seriously, how is this in accordance with the law? The law state that my car should haveworking lights - if they don't work I can get a fine.
If in my car I put fake fire extinquisher, I can get a fine from fire hazard regulations.

Aren't safety regulations specific enough to deem such masks same as having no mask at all?

[Mightysword]

In the 2 decades I live here, I had seen a lot of thing that I find weird, unpleasant, doesn't make sense. From 'hot coffee' is a legit reason to sue someone, to students being disorderly in class and teachers have no power to do anything, to the obsession with gun and anti-goverment conspiracy, and even people voting a dog/cat to city council positions. Every time I can find some reason to understand why people do it, at least to a 'agree to disagree' level.

This whole anti-mask thing gotta be the first thing ever that I find incomprehensible.

[red assassin]

'hot coffee' is a legit reason to sue someone

This is actually a really interesting case. McDonalds were knowingly serving their coffee at close to boiling point despite hundreds of reports of customers being burnt and admitting themselves that it was a hazard. The plaintiff in this case just wanted her medical bills covered (she was elderly and nearly died due to severe burns!). After the lawsuit, they changed their policies for serving coffee. But everybody thinks it was a frivolous lawsuit due to media spin. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... la-liebeck

[felter]

Well something happened in the Whitehouse. Trump did his first coronavirus press conference since around April sometime. It's what he had to say that was interesting first off he has acknowledge that things are going to get worse before they get better. Not just that, he has finally advised Americans to wear a mask, even going so far as saying doing so would be patriotic thing to do. So basically he has went back on everything he has been saying about the virus didn't think it was possible. So something serious has to have happened.

BBC coverage of it.

[Vertigo 7]

Well something happened in the Whitehouse. Trump did his first coronavirus press conference since around April sometime. It's what he had to say that was interesting first off he has acknowledge that things are going to get worse before they get better. Not just that, he has finally advised Americans to wear a mask, even going so far as saying doing so would be patriotic thing to do. So basically he has went back on everything he has been saying about the virus didn't think it was possible. So something serious has to have happened.

BBC coverage of it.

Well yeah, he's loosing, badly, and the American people have sent him a pretty clear message that we're sick of his BS.

[fiksal]

Brasil "safest" areas are the ones controlled by organized crime, which forces lockdown threatening to kill people wandering around with no reason.

That's gotta be ironic

Not quite, actually.
Apparently, cartels (or the name organized crime has down there), at the beginning of the pandemy, locked down the areas they were controlling, telling people to ask them for their needs (e.g. food or medicine), but to never, ever get out to avoid spreading the virus, which is bad for their business.
First google result:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus
But there are more.

That's absolute nuts! Hardcore criminals acting with some sense? I am truelly shocked. I mean I heard how mafia sometimes feel patriotic, but that takes the prize.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

@Mightysword and red assassin, I mean, in some places around the world they had to stop selling dishwasher tabs because people thought they were candies...

[CBJ]

That's absolute nuts! Hardcore criminals acting with some sense? I am truelly shocked. I mean I heard how mafia sometimes feel patriotic, but that takes the prize.

It happens in Mexico too, and it has nothing to do with patriotism. The cartels put effort into looking after local people because it makes those people loyal to them and/or puts them in their debt. That in turn helps protect the cartels against the authorities in that area, and gives them a source of low-level runners to work for them. Still, motives aside, you can't help thinking that governments could learn something from that.

[Mightysword]

That's absolute nuts! Hardcore criminals acting with some sense? I am truelly shocked. I mean I heard how mafia sometimes feel patriotic, but that takes the prize.

It happens in Mexico too, and it has nothing to do with patriotism. The cartels put effort into looking after local people because it makes those people loyal to them and/or puts them in their debt. That in turn helps protect the cartels against the authorities in that area, and gives them a source of low-level runners to work for them. Still, motives aside, you can't help thinking that governments could learn something from that.

Tbf, that's why we're talking about dictator's efficiency. I imagine when big Don want it done, all he has to do is utter the words, and the minions will make it happens. There is no talk back, political divide, sorting out the pork in the funding bills ...etc... like politicians have to deal with. Also ... liability is a dirty word.


I remember back in march some mayors, governors, and Trump were balking at each others about issuing the order to close down public places and beaches. Mayors wanted governors to do it, in turn governors wanted Trump to do it, and Trump told the mayors and governors to do it. So each of them all wanted to do it. The laughable part is ALL of them has the power to do it, but don't want to issue such an unpopular order so instead they blamed each other for not doing what they can do themselves.

Samething with how factories didn't close until they were forced by the government. I had seen some people accuse the owners as greedy SOB who didn't think about the safety of others ...etc... Thing is some of those owners probably want to close themselves, but still waited for the government order ... why? Liability. If a factory/business has a lot of secondary contracts, unilateral close by themselves mean they'll have a line of law suits from their partner awaiting them. Closed on the order of the government give them a defense against that (kinda like an 'act of god' clause). And ... we all know the government wouldn't issue such order until the very last moment, or until it's too late because who would want to be on the receiving end if it had turned out to be a costly over-reaction? Not OUR politicians that's for sure.

Crime lords probably don't even have the word liability in their operational dictionary.

[felter]

So Bozo came to Scotland on Thursday, still not sure why. He went up north, to Orkney I think it was, anyway he went to the most Liberal area he could find an Island well away from the mainland and most Scottish people. So he delivered a Trumpian message that was kind of The UK is great, the UK did a wonderful job of handling the pandemic, that only the UK could have done together. This of course is total BS as all parts of the UK tackled the virus by themselves, using the same information but reacting differently. In Scotland the virus is all but gone, yes there are a few cases going around but they are few and far between and they are closed down as soon as they are appearing. England on the other hand is till teaming with the virus.

So that was it, that was his visit to Scotland and like the 99.99% of Scotland that he ignored, that same 99.99% of Scotland ignored him, he's not exactly liked up here. But anyhow, something must have happened, something must have been said to him, he must have seen something or something was done to him as he headed back to the safety of London where he starts going on about how mistakes were made, that they could have done better, that maybe the lockdown came late, that they didn't understand the virus at the start. A total 180% turn around from what he has been saying.

Of course the now burning question is, why is he now going back on what he has been saying, what happened in Scotland or is that just coincidental. Of course most of it is total BS, especially that part they didn't understand the virus because even I was saying lockdown two weeks before the lockdown as the virus was just going to kill a lot of people by not doing it. So if I knew how come he didn't know, where did he have his head at the time, some place dark and smelly I reckon.

He made a mess of it and all of a sudden he has suddenly noticed this. I think it was the BBC that put it that he was in the job at the wrong time, that he is ill equipped to handle something like a pandemic. As Bozo the clown, he is there to entertain, he is all for happy days where everything that is all laughs and fun, he can't do doom and gloom, as everything to him is just a joke and a gag. Well that joke and a laugh cost a lot of people their lives and livelihood, is that what he found out in his day trip to Scotland.

[Vertigo 7]

And yesterday, Trump gave his support to a "doctor" that says masks do nothing, endorses HCL, and that has also claimed vaccines are made from alien DNA to make people anti-religious as well as demon sperm being the cause of some uterine diseases. But Fauci is wrong and doesn't have America's best interests in mind.

*sigh*

This is what our president endorses... not our health and safety. Is it any wonder Covid is out of control here? Our people are dying by the truck loads and this is the message our president wants us to hear.

[felter]

This could be interesting. He is in that age group of where he is probably not going to have a good time of it, a good probability of not surviving, but I have a problem feeling sorry for him. You do have to wonder if he has a brain cell in the first place, seeing as he is saying he probably caught the virus because he was wearing a mask, yeah that's where he had to have caught it from. I must admit I wouldn't have been too nice to him if I was one of his staff members and he turned up in person to tell me he had caught the virus, he would have got some pretty severe verbal abuse from me. What an idiot. Another good point, he has probably passed it onto that other idiot, Bill Barr.

[fiksal]

This could be interesting. He is in that age group of where he is probably not going to have a good time of it, a good probability of not surviving, but I have a problem feeling sorry for him. You do have to wonder if he has a brain cell in the first place, seeing as he is saying he probably caught the virus because he was wearing a mask, yeah that's where he had to have caught it from. I must admit I wouldn't have been too nice to him if I was one of his staff members and he turned up in person to tell me he had caught the virus, he would have got some pretty severe verbal abuse from me. What an idiot. Another good point, he has probably passed it onto that other idiot, Bill Barr.

Amazingly, but some people are just that dumb. I dont really feel sorry for him either. Since this isnt a real disease to the republicans, I am sure he'll be fine.

[Vertigo 7]

I watched bits of the house judiciary hearing on anti-trust violations with Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple. Every little bit that I watched, Gym Jordan would go on a conspiracy rant and then get yelled at to put his mask back on. It'd be funny if this wasn't a member of congress. Instead it's just sad.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

I watched bits of the house judiciary hearing on anti-trust violations with Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple. Every little bit that I watched, Gym Jordan would go on a conspiracy rant and then get yelled at to put his mask back on. It'd be funny if this wasn't a member of congress. Instead it's just sad.

This is actually perfect timing for the corporations to get away with no charge, because a (relatively) lot of people in congress is that kind of dumb / malicious.

This could be interesting. He is in that age group of where he is probably not going to have a good time of it, a good probability of not surviving, but I have a problem feeling sorry for him. You do have to wonder if he has a brain cell in the first place, seeing as he is saying he probably caught the virus because he was wearing a mask, yeah that's where he had to have caught it from. I must admit I wouldn't have been too nice to him if I was one of his staff members and he turned up in person to tell me he had caught the virus, he would have got some pretty severe verbal abuse from me. What an idiot. Another good point, he has probably passed it onto that other idiot, Bill Barr.

I mean, we're 7 billions, we're too many... If only it was that kind of people only causing a population decrease...

[Vertigo 7]

I watched bits of the house judiciary hearing on anti-trust violations with Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple. Every little bit that I watched, Gym Jordan would go on a conspiracy rant and then get yelled at to put his mask back on. It'd be funny if this wasn't a member of congress. Instead it's just sad.

This is actually perfect timing for the corporations to get away with no charge, because a (relatively) lot of people in congress is that kind of dumb / malicious.

Without getting too much into the overall ordeal of the hearing, Google, especially, has been caught red handed engaging in some seriously ****** business practices that republicans even questioned when they weren't spouting conspiracies about big tech being out to get conservatives. I really don't think they're going to get away with much and Google in particular is going to ultimately be on the receiving in of some of some rulings against them, as they should be imo.

But anyway, that can be discussed in detail in another topic. It was just mind blowing to me to watch some of these creatures, like ol' Gymmy boy, act out with no sense of civility on the committee floor and in front of the cameras, especially over the house rules to wear a mask. These people would win a lot more support just by not flaunting safety measures. They're fine with killing people that *may* be a threat to the US, but wearing a mask... oh no, that's just too much.

[felter]

I know it's a bit late but I just stumbled onto this. So it turns out Trumps little rally, more than likely did help in the spread of Covid-19. I had been wondering if it had.