X3AP version 2.0 – The war continues

[WeriTis]

lots of sandboxes have a 1 sided campaign.....

"lots of others do x, therefore x is not so bad" is not a valid argument. It is more of a convenient subterfuge.

So no main plot for terrans. I had actually hoped for a terran plot in 2.0. But that is not even the issue.

Not making available key features like PHQ and UFJD is straightout fraud. They were announced for ALL. They said apart from the mainplot the terran commander start would have access to everything.

They lied.

[valerria]

What attracts people to play Terran if they have no plot? I mean, what's the difference between Terran and other starts that doesn't become moot in a few hours?

[WeriTis]

What attracts people to play Terran if they have no plot? I mean, what's the difference between Terran and other starts that doesn't become moot in a few hours?

You are not on the morally highly questionable side of the conflict?

Some people like to fight for the just cause.
Instead of, you know, for the intrigant, warmongering, collaborating-with-criminals argon traitors.

[nvis]

ok i cant say im happy with this update. the fixes are great yes but now all of the think, trade, fight, build icons. that used to appear over station have now vanished in the other game mode are they gone for good? can i get theses missions back? and from what has been posted other game mode is supposed to be the ultimate sand box mode so why has the war missions not been included with this patch for the other game mode

What "game modes" and "other game modes" are you talking about?

Other. U know at the bottom of the list of starting u pick from. Theres terran commander, pious paranid ect. And at the bottom is other

[Raider480]

Agreed about the morally just party, but starting as a Commonwealth player doesn't preclude you from siding with the Terrans, aside from the Argon war start of course: Boron aren't technically at war, the X-Encyclopedia even mentioned Paranid defecting to the Terran side, etc.

Remember that Ego post about the starts? You could pick one of the two war starts to take an active part in the conflict, or choose a traditional start to help out in other ways, especially economical.

Despite my Humble Merchant start, and despite promptly siding with the Terrans after the main plot, I'm also quite upset there's no support for the Terran war start. At least make the start conditions like the Terran plot from TC, where you need to have at least a moderate reputation with the Argon to start their plot. Then plots are in spirit of TC's, open to all like they should be!

[Catra]

lots of sandboxes have a 1 sided campaign.....

"lots of others do x, therefore x is not so bad" is not a valid argument. It is more of a convenient subterfuge.

So no main plot for terrans. I had actually hoped for a terran plot in 2.0. But that is not even the issue.

Not making available key features like PHQ and UFJD is straightout fraud. They were announced for ALL. They said apart from the mainplot the terran commander start would have access to everything.

They lied.

and why isnt it?

yeah, everything as in empire building and all that cool stuff that isnt plot related, says that in the survival guide in the WAR! section.

[nvis]

ok i cant say im happy with this update. the fixes are great yes but now all of the think, trade, fight, build icons. that used to appear over station have now vanished in the other game mode are they gone for good? can i get theses missions back? and from what has been posted other game mode is supposed to be the ultimate sand box mode so why has the war missions not been included with this patch for the other game mode

What "game modes" and "other game modes" are you talking about?

Other. U know at the bottom of the list of starting u pick from. Theres terran commander, pious paranid ect. And at the bottom is other

Appologiez it say custum game

[WeriTis]

and why isnt it?

yeah, everything as in empire building and all that cool stuff that isnt plot related, says that in the survival guide in the WAR! section.

Why isn't it? The mere fact that "others do the same thing as well" does not make anything good. Like: "lots of ppl are pirating games" - you get the idea?

[Catra]

and why isnt it?

yeah, everything as in empire building and all that cool stuff that isnt plot related, says that in the survival guide in the WAR! section.

Why isn't it? The mere fact that "others do the same thing as well" does not make anything good. Like: "lots of ppl are pirating games" - you get the idea?

Indeed it doesn't.

But it also makes it rather silly to complain about a 1 sided campaign when just about every other sandboxy game has a 1 sided campaign as well.

Ergo what I said is quite valid.

[plawolf]

and why isnt it?

yeah, everything as in empire building and all that cool stuff that isnt plot related, says that in the survival guide in the WAR! section.

Why isn't it? The mere fact that "others do the same thing as well" does not make anything good. Like: "lots of ppl are pirating games" - you get the idea?

Indeed it doesn't.

But it also makes it rather silly to complain about a 1 sided campaign when just about every other sandboxy game has a 1 sided campaign as well.

Ergo what I said is quite valid.

What other games have 1 sided campaigns that also restrict users from accessing parts of the game that then continues for as long as the player plays their current game?

the X-games are not like the vast majority of other games because everything is progression based, and it takes many many hours of investment before you start to really get into the meat of the game.

Even in games that are also progression based like AP, and with 1 sided campaigns, in which other game are you not given any hint that choosing one of the default starts would limit your game so much?

What other game actually tells you, 'yes, you can't do this, but there are no further restrictions' but then months down the line tells you, 'oh yeah, and if you chose a certain start, you won't get any of the new features'.

It's like telling WoW players or Eve online players that a major faction isn't supported in the next patch of the game, and you need to deal with it or start from square one.

So please, list some other games that does this to its players for no apparent good reason.

[WeriTis]

Indeed it doesn't.

But it also makes it rather silly to complain about a 1 sided campaign when just about every other sandboxy game has a 1 sided campaign as well.

Ergo what I said is quite valid.

Again, the plot is not even the issue here. Of course not having a plot makes the game somewhat pointless, but there still is the war against the argon traitors.

I was looking forward to using the PHQ as a base of operations and as a means to replicate some Js. I wanted to go Aran hunting. I was exited to find out what it was they had in mind for the UFJD sectors.
All that, based on information from ES that made it totally reasonable to expect those features when playing the terran start.

If you do not understand the point of the terran players, i can't help it.

[wRAR]

ok i cant say im happy with this update. the fixes are great yes but now all of the think, trade, fight, build icons. that used to appear over station have now vanished in the other game mode are they gone for good? can i get theses missions back? and from what has been posted other game mode is supposed to be the ultimate sand box mode so why has the war missions not been included with this patch for the other game mode

What "game modes" and "other game modes" are you talking about?

Other. U know at the bottom of the list of starting u pick from. Theres terran commander, pious paranid ect. And at the bottom is other

Custom game is not "supposed to be the ultimate sand box mode", it is a mode for people that know why they use it.

[Llama]

Any chance of releasing the new music to us TCers?

[werewolves?]

Wow fixed Megalodon is hax, wouldn't mind seeing a Teladi M2+ or just give the Phoenix a bunch of 12 point turrets....

[Legionos]

it is upsetting to see what is essentially an indie developer lying about game content and giving a massive **** you to the playerbase

it is even more sad that you have people like catra actually defending the bull

[TTD]

I see both sides of the coin here.

I too am disappointed that the Argon war plot is onesided,phq etc can not be gained without mods if playing Terran.

But if this is so different from the rest of the crowd,surely that adds to it's uniqueness ,setting it apart from other games even further.

As for Catra...I have got to know his style of comment , over time.
Sometimes he can be a bit blunt ,or abrasive.
Other times he can be very humorous in an English sort of way.saying things that are the opposite of what he means or believes.
And sometimes he can be so obviously correct in what he says.

But we all have our own points of view ,and not everyone will agree with everyone.
It would be a dull world if we all agreed on everything.

[wRAR]

Some time after patching I've lost about 5 UTs in the Asteroid Belt (4 of them during one hour), is that a coincidence or something was changed?
Of course all war sectors are blacklisted in the Mk3 Blacklist manager

[TTD]

I never trust UTs.
You have more control using LTs instead.

[wRAR]

Well, I've finally started thinking about switching to LTs too.

[Jumee]

Some time after patching I've lost about 5 UTs in the Asteroid Belt (4 of them during one hour), is that a coincidence or something was changed?
Of course all war sectors are blacklisted in the Mk3 Blacklist manager

did you blacklist Mars, Venus, Moon, Jupiter 2/3? because if you didnt they will still jump to asteroid belt to get to one of those