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Those political impersonators are driving me nuts. "A new explanation" for the attack on Iran surfaced. According to this new tune the Trump regime charged into Iran because of some fear (so far so far-right) because Israel planned an attack and they feared a retaliation against the US. What a lousy argument :shock: And it totally makes no sense to NOT at least take a few hours to coordinate with all the allied actors in the region (e.g. to prevent friendly fire...). Let alone going through congress for legitimization of this act of war. :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... srael-iran

As far as excuses go this is as worthless as the weapons-of-mass-destruction-found. The only thing they could surprise me with is just telling the truth. "I fear the Epstein files and I need a little war to bypass the time until the FIFA World Cup helps me create the illusion of a happy state when the midterms hit". :evil:
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chew-ie wrote: Tue, 3. Mar 26, 08:05 Those political impersonators are driving me nuts. "A new explanation" for the attack on Iran surfaced. According to this new tune the Trump regime charged into Iran because of some fear (so far so far-right) because Israel planned an attack and they feared a retaliation against the US. What a lousy argument :shock: And it totally makes no sense to NOT at least take a few hours to coordinate with all the allied actors in the region (e.g. to prevent friendly fire...). Let alone going through congress for legitimization of this act of war. :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... srael-iran

As far as excuses go this is as worthless as the weapons-of-mass-destruction-found. The only thing they could surprise me with is just telling the truth. "I fear the Epstein files and I need a little war to bypass the time until the FIFA World Cup helps me create the illusion of a happy state when the midterms hit". :evil:
I think that one is allready outdated? Apparently some of the American troops were told that they were attacking Iran to fullfil the biblical prophecy of Armageddon, according to one soldier they were told: "President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth".

Source: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/u ... war-is-for

Edit: To clarify my position: Do I believe that a majority of American soldiers believe this crap or have even heard about that nonsense? No. Do I believe that there is a part of American society that has been very outspoken and vocal about this idea? Yes. In fact there are Christians in America (and also other places, I certainly have met at least one here in Germany) whos main reason for supporting Israel is that they believe all three Abrahamic religions must be present in the holy city for the end times to begin.
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Chips wrote: Mon, 2. Mar 26, 20:24
matthewfarmery wrote: Mon, 2. Mar 26, 20:04 Iran has every right to defend itself. But still, the UK should not be helping the US under any circumstances. The issue is, by opening up British controlled bases to the US, just makes the UK a greater target. However the PM has said on record not that long ago, that the UK will not help the US to strike Iran.

But still, giving permission to use those bases, is still plain wrong.

So, its not just about causing chaos, but a country that is defending itself from two out of control countries that shot at it first. This is still America's fault, regardless on the current issues. And things are getting worse. Even Trump seems more and more detached from reality, as he talking about a statue and his ballroom currently. While Pete Hegseth is making a total buffoon of himself and making shit up as he goes along.
So it's okay for Iran to strike the UK and we should just go "ah okay" (this obviously does depend where that drone was launched from).
However, it's ok to watch it strike other nations; including nations that currently have hundreds of thousands of UK citizens within them, and are our *allies*, be attacked?

In response to our allies being hit, we should just say "yeah, not our problem".
Sir Keir had said UK aircraft were "in the sky" in the Middle East as part of a defensive operation to protect its allies and citizens in the region, but said the UK "played no role" in the strikes.

On Sunday, he said British aircraft had successfully intercepted Iranian strikes, but added: "Our partners in the Gulf have asked us to do more to defend them and it's my duty to protect British lives."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj9g11p1ezo

You are entitled to your opinion upon what the UK should do, I'll just disagree *at this point*. All for supporting our allies in a *defensive* manner.


Starmer has a hard line to walk and tough decisions to make. He didn't allow UK bases to be used to strike Iran in the initial attack as he believed it's not a legal action by the US (though not said I don't think?). But he is going to allow the bases to be used to *defend* the region by hitting missile launch sites *only*. For that, it's B2 bombers, that's Fairford in the UK and Diego Garcia.
From what Gen Petraeus has said on the news, neither did many of the gulf states *either*.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NUhl-8owk


You're right to worry that this could escalate further and pull the UK in even more. However, it could also pull the UK in even if we did nothing. If Iran hits hotels filled with British civilians, are we supposed to just go "ah, sucks to be them... nothing to be done!". If Iran starts obliterating an entire city of regional allies as they've run out of capabilities to defend themselves, should we be abandoning allies in the region - Bahrain, Qatar - who've specifically asked for help? "Sorry, you're on your own - have fun!"?
Over the past six weeks, the UK had been building up some military assets in the Middle East, to protect its existing base at Akrotiri in Cyprus and to help key allies in the Gulf. A joint UK-Qatari squadron relocated from Lincolnshire to Qatar in January, ready to act in self-defence if the Gulf country and others in the region were attacked.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/ ... srael-iran

I'd *really* hope not; but as said, entitled to your own view about that.

(same article as quote from before, but also relevant again to the request for defence from regional allies).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jk922dgjgo


So to give an indication as to what they're up against... as I'm not sure people appreciate the sheer volume of what's going on.
As of Sunday afternoon, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) defence ministry said it had so far "dealt with" 165 incoming ballistic missiles, two cruise missiles and 541 Iranian drones.

In Bahrain, a friend alerted me on Sunday morning that the airport was under attack after having a sleepless night.
If you fear all out war and destruction, then absolutely Trump was an absolute .... to kick all this off. But it is what it is. You don't abandon other allies just because we are angry about Trump. You help defend them. If all these gulf states end up in smoking ruins from thousands of incoming bombs that are indeed to cause havoc and destruction, despite them playing no part in letting the US strike Iran from their ground (if Patraeus was accurate) then the impact upon those allies, world trade, oil, economic wellbeing - could be very high indeed. IMO doing our best to defend allies, and permitting the US to destroy launch sites that require those long range very heavy bombing capabilities to prevent Iran attacking said allies, is an acceptable action to achieve.

I believe Starmer is doing the best he can, frankly, and also (to me) the right thing for our allies in the region.
Also, Trump's an even bigger .... than I gave him credit for.
I said to help the US, not other allies, this is their shit, and its up to them to sort this out. IF the UK helps to defend other allies, then fine. But as long as we don't get dragged into a shooting match with Iran. Then good. If the UK starts shooting back, it will escalate, and that already happening.

But ultimately, it depends on how long this war will drag on? how many people will die. Iran will not be happy either way. They will only see America as an enemy now. (even those parts that supported this move originally, but killing innocents and civilians will only makes thing worse.

Plus, lets not forget, there is no clear plan, so no what are the objectives? The US is led by incompetent drunken fools, with no idea what they are doing) So, this war could very likely last a long time. I don't see it ending soon. And Trump is already bored by this war and seems to have moved on.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Tue, 3. Mar 26, 12:43 I said to help the US, not other allies, this is their shit, and its up to them to sort this out. IF the UK helps to defend other allies, then fine. But as long as we don't get dragged into a shooting match with Iran. Then good. If the UK starts shooting back, it will escalate, and that already happening.

But ultimately, it depends on how long this war will drag on? how many people will die. Iran will not be happy either way. They will only see America as an enemy now. (even those parts that supported this move originally, but killing innocents and civilians will only makes thing worse.

Plus, lets not forget, there is no clear plan, so no what are the objectives? The US is led by incompetent drunken fools, with no idea what they are doing) So, this war could very likely last a long time. I don't see it ending soon. And Trump is already bored by this war and seems to have moved on.
Worrying about UK getting dragged in further is very valid; with the straights of Hormuz "closed" (allegedly) and therefore impacting world economic wellbeing, let alone the UK's, it could get worse.
Iran's spent decades preparing for this, their fast attack craft and missiles, etc. Just have to wait and see.

I'm just reassured the Prime Minister (so far) considers the legal cases for action, rather than the 'ol "closest ally" that several other parties are whinging about action-wise. Whether the US adheres to the criteria or ignores it remains to be seen...

As for what/why/reasons the US went - that's for the US public/Congress/UN to work through. By refusing to take part, think it's clear how the UK views it.
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Attacking Iran was stupid. It defeated the point of last year's war, it's put everyone in the region at unnecessary risk and they're probably not going to achieve the regime change they desire. As others have already insinuated, the Iranian regime has planned for this attack for decades. They have contingencies on top of contingencies, which is why they're still able to inflict a lot of damage despite the command structure being wiped out. It won't surprise me if they survive this and then end up with an even more brutal and hardline regime than before but with much of the country devastated, perhaps going the same path that Syria experienced from 2011-2024. A failed state.

What would definitely be an even worse outcome from this is if the Americans and Israel are completely victorious without the Americans having suffered a lot of pain. Because this desperately needs to be the last war that Trump and his goons are allowed to start. Without pain, Trump's massive ego will be satiated for a while before he gets bored and attacks Cuba. After them, he will be delusionally confident enough to attack the rest of us, including Russia, China and/or us in Europe (via Greenland), which will only end in nuclear armageddon, whoever he picks. The Americans don't care about the consequences, only their own power. It doesn't matter how many conflicts they get themselves involved in, they will never learn anything meaningful from them.

Also Israel just can't help themselves but target schools. They do it on purpose, knowing full well that they are schools. They have a history of doing this. They do not care if children are there or not. There's going to be many in Iran that were against regime that are initially happy about the death of the Supreme Leader are going to have second thoughts when they see that their hospitals, universities, neighbour's homes, ancient momuments, banks etc. have turned to rubble, as they realise that the US and Israel are not there to liberate them, but to neuter any potential capability for Iran to be prosperous in the future. Most are probably not going to join the IRGC or anything, but they're more likely to sit at home and wait it all out rather than protest or rebel against the regime. They're not going to think that the effort is worth it. This alienation is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will happen in Iran.

One of Iran's goals now is clearly to cause a global economic crisis to increase opposition to the war. That's why they're attacking the GCC's civilian and oil infrastructure as well as international shipping, despite the fact that the GCC had nothing to do with America's and Israel's stupidity. I just hope at the end of this that the GCC will place just as much of the blame on the Americans and Israel for starting this as they do for Iran lashing out. Ideally telling them to leave once this is over. Oman especially has the biggest right to be angry given that the Americans duped them during the talks.

And yes, Starmer is a dunce. He keeps putting himself in binds between doing the morally right + evidence based thing and appeasing Trump, ending up with contradictory policies that do neither. We certainly should not be allowing US or Israeli forces on our soil, as that now makes us a target according to Iran's current military doctrine and it may end up dragging us in further. The GCC on the otherhand is definitely capable of defending themselves and making their own decisions. We in the UK don't need to be their saviours. Unless there's some hidden mutual defence treaty with a GCC country that I'm not aware of, the only 2 places we should be defending right now are Cyprus and the Chagos Islands. We in the UK should have the same attitudes to the Americans + Middle East as Spain, Ireland, Norway etc. Spain in particular should be commended. The Americans and Israelis are already hurling abuse at Spain and making false equivalences that refusing to let them use their soil for an illegal war is somehow akin to siding with Iran, Houthis, Hamas etc... Idiots.

Still, it could've be much worse for the UK. Kemi Badenoch (Tory party leader) proved yesterday in the Commons that she is even more of a dunce than Starmer (though I don't think that was ever in question anyway). She had a 5 minute rant about why international law shouldn't apply to the UK and was complaining that we were not attacking Iran ourselves. Farage of course, has the same view (but predictably absent from even emergency debates like these). Lib Dem leader Ed Davey seemed to be the only adult in the room, as he made it clear that Trump should be held responsible. Was great when he also took the piss out of far-right tax dodgers that immigrated to the UAE (who ironically complain about immigrants all the time), that NOW expect us to rescue them at significant cost to the taxpayer.

All in all, it's just going to be a pointless and destructive war with no tangible gain for anyone. Only psychopaths will be truly proud to be fighting in it. It needs to be fundamentally clear that the American and Israeli governments are to blame. All military treaties involving either of them (including the US's membership of NATO) should be brought into question, because it's becoming increasingly clear that THEY and not Iran are the larger threat to regional and world stability.
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PersonyPerson wrote: Tue, 3. Mar 26, 14:56
Also Israel just can't help themselves but target schools. They do it on purpose, knowing full well that they are schools. They have a history of doing this. They do not care if children are there or not. There's going to be many in Iran that were against regime that are initially happy about the death of the Supreme Leader are going to have second thoughts when they see that their hospitals, universities, neighbour's homes, ancient momuments, banks etc. have turned to rubble, as they realise that the US and Israel are not there to liberate them, but to neuter any potential capability for Iran to be prosperous in the future. Most are probably not going to join the IRGC or anything, but they're more likely to sit at home and wait it all out rather than protest or rebel against the regime. They're not going to think that the effort is worth it. This alienation is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will happen in Iran.
That point alone is pretty hardcore stuff :(
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New report saying that Trump is phoning up journalists begging to get them to help Trump fix the Iran issue. Giving them different reasons for the war in the first place. That should tell you how screwed up this is.

Edit

Spain has said no to Trump, for using their bases to attack Iran.

I say, good on them, I just wish our PM had done the same.
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IAEA: No evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program

From the perspective of the UN nuclear watchdog, there has been no evidence of a nuclear weapons project in Iran. "We see no structured program for the production of nuclear weapons," replied the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Raffael Grossi, at a press conference in Vienna in response to a journalist's question............ :o


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America has a logistic nightmare, Now that Bahrain navel base has been destroyed, that US naval carrier, once it has run out of missiles, it has no where to rearm, apart from 3 days to get new stuff.

This is just a war of munitions. And America isn't prepared for. If America strikes Iran oil fields, then Iran will hit plenty of others. Which means, more and more oil fields will be lit up. That will be WW3 in a nutshell.

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So Rubio pretty much has said, that Israel, was indeed getting ready to strike Iran, and that America will get hit as a result. The thing is, I have zero love for this country, but that regime pretty much got America to do its dirty work. After all, they been saying for a long time, that Iran would have a nuke in the coming days or years, and been saying that since 90's? I know, since 2015 they been a broken record.

So, in that regard, Trump just did their dirty work for them. And Israel is is the one that really causing as much chaos as possible. One report, but can't verify, that it was Israel that struck a Saudi oil field, not Iran. as Israel wants as much carnage as possible/ So Trump is just a puppet here as well.
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Just trying to imagine the US troops moral here:
US Trooper wrote: "What exactly are we dyingfighting for...?"
CO wrote: "I really can't tell for sure..."
"President says A"
"President's puppet #1 says B"
"President's puppet #2 says C"
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Our ABC has noted that Operation Epic Fury is likely to become Operation Epic Failure if the Americans don't sort out what they aim to accomplish.
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Come on, its Operation Epstein Fury.
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One congressman keeps calling it "Operation Epic Furry."
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Hegseth - "The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War Two"


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It tracks with the historical knowledge of this administration. Dear leader did say that George Washington and his forces held the airports against the British army in the American Revolutionary war. So, ya know, more "very stable genius" evidence.
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Usenko wrote: Wed, 4. Mar 26, 05:24 One congressman keeps calling it "Operation Epic Furry."
Every morning before shaving, I say this sentence. :-D
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Alerion_V.X3 wrote: Wed, 4. Mar 26, 16:38
Usenko wrote: Wed, 4. Mar 26, 05:24 One congressman keeps calling it "Operation Epic Furry."
Every morning before shaving, I say this sentence. :-D
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Trump just recently admited in a press conference, this war will last 5 weeks or more. That is very different to what Pete Hegseth says. But he thinks that US is winning the war, but also seems to be hinting that there will be boots on the ground, as they start to take and control land as time goes on. The only way they can proceed inward is to send tanks and boots to keep control the land.

There also some YT videos saying that America is trying to ramp up munitions production. But still, the problem is getting that stuff to where it needs to go. Iran still has a lot of cards. And it also allowing Chinese ships through the Strait of Hormuz. So US ships I don't see being the ones to control that region.

The shit really hitting the fan,

Israel invaded Lebanon
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3 ... -at-israel

So, how can anyone still think that Israel and the US are still the good guys? Israel clearly is trying to provoke more countries into this widening war. Also, Turkey could be attacked real soon, and that is a EU ally. So, this is getting worse by the day, despite what Trump and co are saying.

Edit, its laughable, that Trump is also calling upon the Kurds to invade Iran, but America betrayed the Kurds recently, I don't see them getting involved, as unless what they another stab in the back.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Wed, 4. Mar 26, 17:57 So, how can anyone still think that Israel and the US are still the good guys?
I dont think anyone but Trump and whats his nuts and their sycophants think Israel and the US are the "good guys".
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Trump now admits, there was no plan to evac American citizens before the conflict.

Also, there is still no plan to evac Americans from the middle east, there is a helpline, but good luck with that. This was a total screw up from start to where we are now.
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