U.S. Presidential Election 2024

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matthewfarmery wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 15:09 Again Observe, I don't know why you seem to be defending Musk, he was not appointed or confirmed by the senate.
Musk doesn't need to be confirmed by the senate or anyone else. He is acting under orders from the President. For example, in the case of USAID:
In his announcement Monday that he was working to shut down USAID, Musk said that Trump supported the move.

“With regard to the USAID stuff, I went over it with him in detail, and he agreed that we should shut it down,” Musk said of the president. “I actually checked with him a few times [and] said, ‘Are you sure?’” Musk added that Trump responded, “Yes.”
Now, as to whether the President has the authority to shut down an agency, we will have to see if/how Congress responds. I'm guessing he does have the authority.

This is how it works: Musk identifies non-compliant or unnecessary agencies. Trump authorizes action. Musk proceeds with a wrecking ball. Rince and repeat. Meanwhile, Congress is left in the dust wondering what happened.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 17:18 Looks like Trump has put a pause on Mexico's tariffs, when Mexico threaten the US with troops on the border. LOL. But there are still tariffs in place with Canada, and Trump is saying he will only remove those tariffs if Canada becomes the USA 51 first state.

But still Trump is so full of BS.
Not exactly what happened - Mexico agreed to put 10 000 troops on the border which for all purposes is just optics (they already have more troops near or at the border). Trump will present this as victory and thanks to the cult of the personality GOP voter base indulge for almost 10 years now, they will worship their great leader for it. Willing to bet that they already forgot what the tariffs supposedly were about.
Maybe Cartels allow some of their packages to be intercepted in order to allow northern neighbor sense that they are winning. Fox News will run new segment on how the great leader achieved another victory and is playing 4D chess in international politics.

What probably happened is that bitcoin market dropped (along with other stock markets) on the news of tariffs and Trump and the crowd around him has business interest in there.
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Observe wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 18:58
matthewfarmery wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 15:09 Again Observe, I don't know why you seem to be defending Musk, he was not appointed or confirmed by the senate.
Musk doesn't need to be confirmed by the senate or anyone else. He is acting under orders from the President. For example, in the case of USAID:
In his announcement Monday that he was working to shut down USAID, Musk said that Trump supported the move.

“With regard to the USAID stuff, I went over it with him in detail, and he agreed that we should shut it down,” Musk said of the president. “I actually checked with him a few times [and] said, ‘Are you sure?’” Musk added that Trump responded, “Yes.”
Now, as to whether the President has the authority to shut down an agency, we will have to see if/how Congress responds. I'm guessing he does have the authority.

This is how it works: Musk identifies non-compliant or unnecessary agencies. Trump authorizes action. Musk proceeds with a wrecking ball. Rince and repeat. Meanwhile, Congress is left in the dust wondering what happened.
Sorry, but that is utter BS, Musk was suppose to get senate approval, but didn't. there for, he should have no powers. Trump is just being a dictator as this stage. As I already posted above, this is clearly against the constitution. but Trump doesn't care about that anymore.

The other problem is, only the senate has the power to create another agency, but DODGE isn't an official government agency to begin with. So the senate has been bypassed. and this is totally unconstitutional. This is how a dictatorship is formed. Trump is basically saying, he doesn't need either congress or the senate to do anything.

Put it this way, if Biden had appointed Jack Smith, the republicans would have been up in arms about it. So for that reason, the president should not have this kind of power either.

You clearly don't understand your own laws. But this is just a plain and simple power grab.

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And what about Musk's cronies? the high school dropouts, do they have presidential approval as well? the whole agency is being used to destory America from within.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 20:02Musk was suppose to get senate approval, but didn't. there for, he should have no powers.
News update:
Elon Musk is working for President Donald Trump as a “special government employee,” according to a White House official, solidifying his controversial role in the administration but sidestepping some disclosure rules that are typical of federal workers.
Apparently, Musk can be a "special government employee" for 130 days.
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Observe wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 18:58 This is how it works: Musk identifies non-compliant or unnecessary agencies. Trump authorizes action. Musk proceeds with a wrecking ball. Rince and repeat. Meanwhile, Congress is left in the dust wondering what happened.
The next so-called liberal president is thus free to authorize a consult to make all vaccinations compulsory to everyone? (In the highly unlikely case that the former third world democracy ever gets a new president.)
Observe wrote: Mon, 3. Feb 25, 22:05 Apparently, Musk can be a "special government employee" for 130 days.
The AP writes: "Special government employees are usually appointed to their position for up to 130 days"
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By 120 days, the damage will be done.

Now Musk is going after the department of education

https://www.reddit.com/r/FAFSA/comments ... utm_term=5

I;m sorry Observe, But Musk is a clear and present danger. I just wish you would understand that. The WH should not have given Musk this power, and Trump is saying that Musk is doing all this on Trump;s approval? Trump isn't that smart. Someone else is clearly in charge. Soon, every American will feel the damage that Musk has done, and by then, Musk will have run to the hills.

Now there is a pause on tariffs for one month on Canada. and the markets slumped again.

Seriously, Musk needs to be held account, and the other big question is, who is fundiing DODGE? the money isn't coming from congress. so where is that money coming from? and is the WH really watching Musk's actions? I doubt it. Can't you see, this is bad at so many levels. its a coup. shout to the rooftops, get you voice heard. Before it's too late, and you yourself will be effected by this madness.

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Put it this way, Trump the theif is saying to America, here is my good friend (another thief) he has my blessing to go into your homes, your personal data and do whatever he wants. While I will look the other way.

Thing is, by saying what he said about Musk needing WH approval, then Trump is claiming responsibility for Musk's actions. But we know that Trump doesn't take responsibility for anyones actions, let alone himself. So when the shit hits the fan, will Trump say sorry for all the damage that Musk had done? I doubt that very much, and will pass the buck onto someone else. see the problem?
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US prisoners (US citizens)to be sent to El Salvador.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/americas ... id=ios_app

Canada's making deals with other countries and reducing imports to the US. It's estimated the US would nearly shut down in 6 months if Canada stopped exports. Canadian vacations in US cancelled and a wave of buy Canadian happening. EU and Uk possibly followed by Australia likely to follow suit.

Trump threatening to use nuclear weapons on Panama after Panama complies with Trumps demands.

EU is looking at a EU country only policy for new weapon purchases. Running into issues with patriot missiles. So US arms sales should be reduced. Might not be an issue since contractors have had their funding pulled by Musk. These might not be the best people to mess with especially after the boeing witness deaths.

US started to build a 30,000 person containment facility in Cuba/Guantanamo Bay.

Annual cost of immigration enforcement likely to far exceed an annual total larger than the entire 76 billion given to Ukraine over the last 3 years. Then other economic loses from removing 13+ million people. Crops going unpicked in the US and rotting.
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You know, I had another frightening thought, president Musk can and might hold America to ransom / gunpoint. Whith key agencies being demolished and taken over. and these high school dropouts could upload viruses and trojans to the computer systems. What is to stop Musk from holding the US to ransom? And where next on president Musk's hit list? the pentagon? even the WH? then if Musk does push the red button, markets will crash, and the dollar will sink like a stone.

Any takers on thoughts on if this is plausible?
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burger1 wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 09:10 US prisoners (US citizens)to be sent to El Salvador.
Aparently this is just an overenthusiastic proposal from El Salvador - such action would be illegal and blocked by any court on US side.
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mr.WHO wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 12:33
burger1 wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 09:10 US prisoners (US citizens)to be sent to El Salvador.
Aparently this is just an overenthusiastic proposal from El Salvador - such action would be illegal and blocked by any court on US side.
Your forgetting Trump is above the law, the SC gave Trump that power as long as its an official act. So even if one court does block it, it goes up to SC and dismisses it, as they will say that Emperor Trump can do no wrong. But then again, its no longer Trump in charge. Its president Musk.
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Trump Hints at Curbs on Musk’s Powers

“President Trump on Monday said there were curbs in place to prevent Elon Musk from doing anything in the government without the White House’s blessing, responding to growing confusion about who was overseeing Musk’s push to dismantle multiple agencies,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“Trump described Musk’s role as advisory.”

Said Trump: “Elon can’t do—and won’t do—anything without our approval and we’ll give him the approval where appropriate. Where not appropriate, we won’t.”
But only after Musk dismantles a lot of agencies, and its clear that Trump is bloody clueless to what Musk is up too. Again Musk has no power to desotry an agency, only the senate can. Musk is out of control, and no one is watching him.
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Robert Kennedy Jr.'s nomination for Secretary of Health and Human Services has advanced to the full Senate after a narrow 14-13 vote in the Senate Finance Committee. Next up, is the full Senate vote, which requires a simple majority. Given Republican control of the Senate, it looks likely that he will be confirmed, but it will be close.
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matthewfarmery wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 08:59Now Musk is going after the department of education
Yes, it looks like the department of education may be one of the next targets for purging systemic problems. It's not like the US has the greatest education system to start with. I'm guessing the initial priority will be to ensure that 'wokeism' and DEI are rooted out.
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My condolences, citizens of the US. I do hope you won't loose the "land of the free. Home of the brave".

But it sure looks like it.

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The lunitics are in charge of the asylum. Things get worse by the day.
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Sad watching fascism getting cheered on by the so called "old school liberals". There will be a reckoning, and these gleefully cheering on the fall of this country will get theirs 10 fold.
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Observe wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 19:14
matthewfarmery wrote: Tue, 4. Feb 25, 08:59Now Musk is going after the department of education
Yes, it looks like the department of education may be one of the next targets for purging systemic problems. It's not like the US has the greatest education system to start with. I'm guessing the initial priority will be to ensure that 'wokeism' and DEI are rooted out.
for context
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans, often in the construction stay woke.

Beginning in the 2010s, it came to be used to refer to a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBTQ rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States
We can't have that. Right next to vaccines and gravity.
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Well, it looks like Trump wants to take over Gaza and turn it into a tourist resort. Netanyahu says it's an idea worth considering.
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Observe wrote: Wed, 5. Feb 25, 02:47 Well, it looks like Trump wants to take over Gaza and turn it into a tourist resort. Netanyahu says it's an idea worth considering.
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Just waiting for Congress to pull the reigns in. I do not understand why they haven't yet. But this cannot continue. We have laws and measures in place, someone has to stand up to this idiot. The world view of my country is bad enough without this. I still have faith that the systems checks and balances will catch up with him. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that I wasn't extremely concerned about the damage done in the meantime. I am in California and my state is a huge thorn in his side, I honestly do not feel safe leaving it unless it is to another country. Of course, Trump is using the weird January fires as an excuse to try to get the governor removed from office. The coincidence is disgusting to me.

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