Trump - Criminal Prosecution

[esd]

I think there's some wisdom in this as well. I find it highly unlikely the orange one will legitimately win, again. Once the election has been called, all the wind will be taken out of his sails and all the courts can throw the book at em and not have it be skewed by rwnjs as election interference.

There's also a chance his actions, if and when he loses the election, could be used as aggravating factors in sentencing.

[Falcrack]

I think there's some wisdom in this as well. I find it highly unlikely the orange one will legitimately win, again. Once the election has been called, all the wind will be taken out of his sails and all the courts can throw the book at em and not have it be skewed by rwnjs as election interference.

There's also a chance his actions, if and when he loses the election, could be used as aggravating factors in sentencing.

He would have to be convicted on separate charges than the 34 counts of business fraud for that to happen, I think.

[matthewfarmery]

In other news, the appeal of the first e. Jean Carroll case was heard by three democrat judges. the lawyer who represented Trump seemed to be doing Trump's playbook and one of the judges smacked him down for speaking two quickly. then shortly later Trump complained about his defence team doing poorly there, and they were standing behind him when he was speaking. We won't know the results of that for a while, and no idea when the second case will be heard. I hope the verdict will be upheld. But I think the second one will certainly will be upheld, even if the first one gets overturned.

[felter]

The thing that gets me is that he is getting all this preferential treatment and all he is, is just another common run-of-the-mill criminal. It looks like he is getting that preferential treatment as he is running to be President, but the thing is he is a convicted criminal, not just that he has also been found guilty of rape, I mean to say why is he even allowed to run for the job of the presidency, what self-respecting decent country allows a rapist fraudster the opportunity to become their president, let alone give that person preferential treatment. He shouldn't be allowed to run, the only thing he should be allowed to run for is going to prison where he belongs. By the way, the reason I think he has delayed the sentencing is because he is going to send Trump to jail, because anything else he would just do it.

[matthewfarmery]

Looks like John Roberts has some explaining to do. as a top secret memo got leaked from the supreme court, to the New York Times.

John Roberts’ Secret Trump Memo Revealed in Huge SCOTUS Leak

The court’s Chief Justice John Roberts was clear to his fellow justices in February: He wanted the court to take up a case weighing Donald Trump’s right to presidential immunity—and he seemed inclined to protect the former president.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/john-roberts- ... 03014.html

don't have a NYTs account to read the memo itself. So, if Roberts wasn't going to give Trump presidential immunity, what changed his view?

This guy along with the other supremes need to be asked some hard questions. Plus there was the slip up from Trump's lawyer, , when the lawyer said, that Roberts was conducting Trump's defence, then he walked back on it. J6 judge hearing I think)

But yeah, This probably is damaging, lets hope something is done, but with the supreme for life, probably not. But this memo is damaging.

[felter]

It doesn't really matter, as Americans as a whole either can't or won't do anything about it and as they have no one to answer to and cannot be sacked, they will just carry on as normal while giving the bird to everyone else. What I'm waiting for to see is just how they will work after Trump loses the election, which is looking pretty much likely right now, will they dump Trump or continue to protect him.

As for Trump, he lost another copyright court case where Eddy Grant was suing him for using his song Electric Avenue even after Trump was told to cease and desist. The bad news for Trump is that he has been ordered to pay Grant's legal costs and seeing as Trump stretched the case out to 4 years I suspect those costs are going to be in the 7 figure amount and on top he also has a damages cost to add on to that so another expensive day in the courts for Trump.

BBC article.

[felter]

Trump is pissed, Smith applied to Judge Chutkin to allow him to present a 180-page brief rather than the normal 45-page brief as he has so many facts to show to the court that Trumps trial is not effected by immunity and should go ahead, this is a brief that the world will get to see and will contain evidence to show what Trump was up to, something that Trump does not want anyone to know about especially before Nov 5th. So just a few hours after Smith asked for the extra pages, Chutkin has replied agreeing that he can have those extra pages, saying that they should contain exactly what she needs to make her decision on whether the case goes ahead or not and that it is what the SCOTUS said they had to do. Not just that, she once again smacked Trump's team down for all the BS that they are making, especially remaking demands that she has already made her decision on while not showing any new evidence. So in 2 days, Smith will release his 180-page brief for the world to see, and Trump's not a happy camper.

[Vertigo 7]

The orange one and his couch humping running mate have been criminally charged in Ohio for their BS about Haitians eating pets. Fantastic news!

[felter]

It's a Haitian non-profit that has filed criminal charges against Donald Trump and JD Vance, the following charges that were filed:

Disrupting public service — by causing widespread bomb and other threats that resulted in massive disruptions to the public services in Springfield, Ohio;

Making false alarms — by knowingly causing alarm in the Springfield community by continuing to repeat lies that state and local officials have said were false;

Committing telecommunications harassment — by spreading claims they know to be false during the presidential debate, campaign rallies, nationally televised interviews, and social media;

Committing aggravated menacing in violation — by knowingly making intimidating statements with the intent to abuse, threaten, or harass the recipients, including Trump’s threat to deport immigrants who are here legally to Venezuela, a land they have never known;

Committing aggravated menacing — by knowingly causing others to falsely believe that members of Springfield's Haitian community would cause serious physical harm to the person or property of others in Springfield; and

Violating the prohibition against complicity — by conspiring with one another and spreading vicious lies that caused innocent parties to be parties to their various crimes.

When you say things that are plainly false and continue to make those claims even after it has been pointed out to you that they are categorically false numerous times, then there should be consequences for making those claims. I wish them all the best.

[matthewfarmery]

Nice one, good luck to the group. Serves Trump and Vance right.

[matthewfarmery]

It seems that Jack Smith might be ready to drop some bombshell new evidence in the J6 case. And Trump is starting to panic and spew a lot of BS. Pity we won't see a trial anytime soon. And also, Trump's BS lawyers are going to the appeal court to try and get the $440M (can't remember the exact figure and that is without interest) thrown out. Goodness knows what kind of defence his lawyers will put in front of the five judge panel. Fingers crossed that the appeal will be tossed.

Edit

early reports are saying that 4 of the judges are siding with Trump, that isn't good. Fraud is fruad, but it seems that most of the judges don't seem to see that. Got a bad feeling this case will get overturned.

[felter]

This is pretty funny, Ryan Routh, the alleged golf course attempted assassinator trial judge has been announced to be none other than Aileen Cannon, yes that Aileen Cannon, so it will be interesting to see how she reacts to someone other than Trump but it still being a Trump involved trial but him not being the defendant. Not just that the prosecutor in the case is from Haiti, wonder if Trump wants to send him back to Venezuela, the place Trump think Haitians come from. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. Also, when they were searching Ryan Routh's electronic equipment they discovered over 100 child pornography pictures on his son's computer, so he's joining his daddy in prison for that, they seem like a nice family, nearly as nice as the Trump's are.

[matthewfarmery]

Loose cannon will likely throw the book at him, no special treatment, 10 years in jail and job done

[felter]

So Trump filled his reply to Smith's 180-page brief, and Trump's reply came in at a total of 7 pages. He has shown his opposition to making everything viewable to the public with 3 objections 1, Smith has changed what he wanted to do as he originally did not want anyone to see the evidence, 2, Smith wants to keep the evidence in the Mar-a-Lago case redacted, so the same should happen here and 3, everything should stay hidden to protect the witnesses from possible harm,

My take on this:
1, Smith had no choice, the SCOTUS told him he had to show the evidence to Chutkan so she could evaluate if it comes under immunity or not. 2, Mar-a-Lago is a totally different case and doesn't concern Presidential immunity as it happened after he was President, and it contains highly top secret information. Finally, 3, what the hell is he talking about, especially seeing as he has a gag order on him to stop him from attacking the witnesses, and now he wants to protect them, while keeping them anonymous. Can't see this going very far.

Also turns out Ryan Routh's defence lawyer has demanded the Canon be removed as the trial Judge due to her biased behaviour in favour of Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case. So the fallout of her bad handling of that case is coming back to haunt her even before the trial has happened, she will always be knows as a corrupt Judge no matter what she does now.

[matthewfarmery]

I'm wondering if Trump's lawyers are now shaking in their boots? they probably now will have access to some of the evidence, or more. And yes, the SCOTUS ruling will come back to bite them on the butt, So yes, the file will be unsealed today, if things go as planned. As for the second point, that certainly has no bearing on this case, and that docs case is still on appeal. it should be overturned, but no idea when the hearing of that will start?

As for the last point, I wonder if some of the witnesses could be people who Trump doesn't want revealed, those that Trump used but doesn't want their names read out? So he wants them protected from reporters and the like, getting a story and digging up dirt about them? Maybe even people who Trump might have paid off? But whatever the reason, Trump clearly doesn't want their names known, and may explain the objection?

As for Cannon, I hope this is the start of very bad events. You really don't want a biased judge, so if the lawyer does appeal, and that will either to sorted quickly or go to the 11th court of appeals, (which that state is governed by) Then I see that Cannon will have a very short shelf life. And if that appeal is successful, (which I see is a good chance, then other case assigned to her, will also will want a change of judge. So I think her days are numbered.

[felter]

So Judge Chutkan did it, she decided to release Jack Smiths 180-page brief, and she told them to release it right away, not giving Trump a chance to appeal the decision. If you are so inclined and want something to read, here's the PDF. It's only 165-pages, I wonder what happened to the other 15-pages as the original was meant to be 180-pages long. This has not been a good 24 hours for Trump.

[matthewfarmery]

Only skimming over the document, but the one thing that does strike me is that *while the names are covered up) there are a lot of them, P = private attorney / agents,? and CC = co-conspirators, I wonder how long it will take before the names are leaked? and as I suspected, Trump probably didn't want this document released, for this very reason. It paints a picture of Trump have a relationship / or partial to try and change the results before J6. I don't know how many names there are? but after skimming, there sure a lot of them. And whoever they are, know who they are, and probably shaking in their boots.

There will be another hearing on October 10th. So this isn't over by a long shot. Of course, Trump will try and appeal, and his happy CC and Ps will probably try as well. And I from reports I read, Trump is already having several meltdowns and calling this election interference.

As for the docs case, it probably won't be heard until November or 2025. But I bet there been a lot of ketchup thrown and more will be ordered as we speak.

Edit

At least 65 Ps and 30 something CCs. That is a lot of people.

Edit 2, talk about a rigged election, well, Trump did the rigging, just a partial list

There were more than 10,000 dead voters (Dalton at GA 1103: “We were
up. 10,315 ballots were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth
matches a Georgia resident who died in 2020 prior to the election. Then
your wacky secretary of state said two people, two people.” Ellipse at GA
1133-1134: “Over 10,300 ballots in Georgia were cast by individuals whose
names and dates of birth match Georgia residents who died in 2020 and
prior to the election.”);
More than 2,500 ineligible felons voted (Dalton at GA 1103: “2,506 ballots
were cast by individuals whose name and date of birth matches an
incarcerated felon in a Georgia prison. Maybe they aren’t all there, but they
did a lot of work. I paid a lot of money to a lot of people. I can tell you
that.” Ellipse at GA 1134: “More than 2,500 ballots were cast by
individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons in
Georgia prison—people who are not allowed to vote.”);
Thousands of unregistered people voted (Dalton at GA 1103: “4,502 illegal
ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state’s voter
rolls.” Ellipse at GA 1134: “More than 4,500 illegal ballots were cast by
individuals who do not appear on the state’s own voter rolls.”);
More than 18,000 voters used vacant addresses (Dalton at GA 1103:
“18,325 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using
an address listed as vacant according to the postal service.” Ellipse at GA
1134: “Over 18,000 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered
to vote using an address listed as ‘vacant,’ according to the Postal
Service.”);
At least 88,000 ballots were illegally backdated (Dalton at GA 1103: “At
least 86,880 ballots were cast by people whose registrations were illegally
backdated.” Ellipse at GA 1134: “At least 88,000 ballots in Georgia were
cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.”)

Edit 3

Tens of thousands of ballots were received back before they were mailed
out (Dalton at GA 1106: “55,000 ballots received back before they were
even sent.” Ellipse at GA 1128: “And more than 60,000 ballots in
Pennsylvania were reported received back—they got back—before they
were ever supposedly mailed out. In other words, you got the ballot back
before you mailed it,

Bloody hell, this is deep, no wonder Trump tried to keep this covered up, rigged yes, but in his favour rigged, I wonder how many voters he really had? I doubt it wouldd be quite a large, once you get rid of these illegal votes.

Edit 4

Wisconsin
Hundreds of illegal drop boxes were used (Dalton at GA 1105: “In
Wisconsin over 90,000 ballots were illegally harvested. Can’t do that. Not
allowed to. Through so-called human drop boxes and over 500 illegal
unmanned drop boxes were put out statewide.” Ellipse at GA 1131: “In
Wisconsin, corrupt Democrat-run cities deployed more than 500 illegal,
unmanned, unsecured drop boxes, which collected a minimum of 91,000
unlawful votes.”); and
170,000 invalid absentee votes were counted (Dalton at GA 1105: “Over
170,000 absentee votes were counted that are blatantly illegal under
Wisconsin law and should never have been included in the tally.” Ellipse
at GA 1131: “Over 170,000 absentee votes were counted in Wisconsin
without a valid absentee ballot application. So they had a vote, but they had
no application, and that’s illegal in Wisconsin.”)

Utter shocked, and Trump has the balls to call it rigged and against him. when it was clear, its the over way around.

[Vertigo 7]

your various edits don't make sense. missing a lot of context. where's those quotes from?

[matthewfarmery]

From the released PDF file the link is above.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -brief.pdf

Like I said, I only skimmed the document, as my edits were from that. and what Grabbed my attention. I thought I was clear I was getting info from the released file, but I'm sorry if that confused you. As reading some of the doc is worth it. As it covers a huge amount, so I only skimmed and copied and pasted what I thought was useful and damning at the same time.

[Vertigo 7]

what was missing was this header on page 122 for your quotes:

The defendant, as a candidate, made myriad false claims regarding fraud in the presidential
election, including: