U.S. Presidential Election 2024

[matthewfarmery]

Well, I think this belongs to the right place, but now things are getting more serious, and senseless.

Officials in Springfield, Ohio were forced to evacuate two elementary schools due to violent threats from apparent Trump supporters.

Of course Trump will deny any involvement and wrong doing, but this is something that needs to be condemned. But we all know where it started from, even one of the Evangelical Christian leaders has put their foot down and said enough is enough, Yet these guys are suppose to support Trump and love him, yet Trump's own supporters maybe responsible for the bomb threats, Really mind boggling. And the worse thing is, the one who should be responsible isn't touched.

This kind of thing needs to stop, But if there are people still willing to do this for Trump, we may have another J6. And why isn't the DOJ not really doing their job? Trump and Vance and whoever else is responsible needs to be behind bars. What more does it take before people see that Trump is still a clear and present danger?

[felter]

The thing is it's what Americans want, or at the very least they are not willing enough to do anything about it and are happy to let it be, so there is no point in getting worked up over it.

[Vertigo 7]

I really wish you would stop implying that. This country isn't driven by mob rule. You can't prove the orange fat ass or that couch humper had anything to do with the bomb threats and you know it. People aren't jailed in this country without a trial and no prosecutor worth their salt would even begin to try to accuse either one of those idiots of any related crime to the threats made against the schools.

Yes, it's their "fault", morally, just as much as the people that made the threats. Legally, however, it would be extremely unlikely they could be held responsible.

[matthewfarmery]

If the DOJ has done its job to begin with, and not allowed a bunch of mob lawyers to make a laughing stock of the American justice system. we wouldn't be in this mess. Plus lets not forgot that the supreme court is in the bag for Trump as well. I highly doubt there wouldd have been any bomb threats if Trump hadn't said those things to begin with.

Trump should have been held account for J6, classified docs case etc, but your laughing stock of a justice system means that they got pushed aside. I would also add, if the rules and safeguards for becoming a president was a whole lot tighter and stricter, we wouldn't be in this mess.

The problem is, there are people who are talking his words at face value, and worship him. As long as he remains free, he is a threat. and if he gets back into the WH, he will be a world threat.

If America had better laws, better safeguards, then Trump wouldn't be a threat. We could rest easy. The American justice system is a joke, and you know it. If it had done its job right, that convicted felon would be behind bars by now. And its not the first time that Trump should be held account for what he has said and done in the past. But ultimately, he is responsible. Even if he didn't do the bomb scare himself, what he said triggered it.

I am dreading what he will do IF he gets in, what trade wars he will start, what tensions will grew if he becomes a president for life, as the supremes gave him a gift there.

Again, he got way more leeway then anyone else, and who's fault is that? I would say that the founding fathers should have been a bit more insightful, and later congresses should have tightened up rules and such what. Then we wouldn't be in this frighting mess that we are in now.

Until Trump is out of the way,, death with, then we can rest easy. But as long as the Justice system fails in its job to hold that man to account, then he will be a threat, and even more so as he has serious dementia problems. And that isn't good at all.

I seriously blame the joke of a justice system in America, and the lack of safeguards. But still. plenty will still do as this madman says, and he is a concern for us all. That is my point.

[Alan Phipps]

I pretty much agree with you Vertigo on the legal culpability issue; a big problem though is one of internal and external perceptions from the rhetoric often used.

As an outsider, I see the language, name-calling and implied violence threats ('we won't let that happen' or 'we'll do anything necessary to uphold our rights', etc) coming from both camps (even in posts here on a gaming forum of all places) and I wonder what went wrong with the underlying logic of democracy over there.

For some or many there to perhaps live in fear or just serious disquiet because of their political preferences (and holding real trepidation about the possible actions of political opposition) just seems to go against the founding principles of American democracy and equality. I do agree that some serious soul-searching is needed from all involved, however unlikely that may be to happen any time soon.

[matthewfarmery]

Sadly, I doubt anything will happen to tighten stuff up, until after that traitorous POS is dead. It will not happen if the Republicans hold the house. They are too scared of him. It will have to take the democrats to hold a large majority in both congress and the senate to pass better laws and safeguards. There will have to be some major investigations on what went wrong. Both from a party standpoint and the American justice system.

That will take time, and it won't happen soon.

But as long as things remain as they are, nothing will change, and we could have another dictator on the throne, who could be far worse and vile then Trump 1.0.

Edit

The next BIG problem with Trump is, he is in debt to a certain degree, plus he is comprised as well. The cryto scam that his adult sons are set up / setting up, is another conflict of interest. Plus we have his social media platform, Trump says, he not going to sell his stock, the share price goes up. and it came down a bit before trading was shutdown for the day. We know he will cash out as soon as possible. Using his social media platform as a pump and dump. (which is technically illegal) But will anything happen to Trump? doubt it. AND!!!! lets not forget he is STILL under bail conditions. And how many laws has he broken since he has been on bail? no idea, probably a lot. But will the DOJ do anything about it? no. Plus, he has this association with a extremist conspiracy theorist, Might also be in Musk's pockets as well, (going to give him a job if Musk has time?)

Trump is comprised from one end of the spectrum to another. Plus, there was that money from Egypt as well. And countless others. If he gets in, he will very likely dismantle NATO, start world tensions. and more. We should all be worried if he gets back in. This is not something that can be brushed aside and people say, its not a concern, or we shouldn't worry about it, as it's an America problem, and let them deal with it. The problem is, America refuses to deal with it, or can't deal with it. Only if democracy wins and he loses, can we breath again. But he will kick up a stink, and cult will very likely do another J6.

But still, despite the laws, and regulations that are suppose to prevent a Trump, or the lack of, we have Trump, he is above the law, and he is very heavy comprised to the hilt. There is no telling who his inner circle will comprise of, and who''s mouth Trump will listen too. Especially with his dementia and quest for revenge. He has stated several times what he plans to do if he gets back in office, and he will be a terror and a tyrant. The world be a cold and a nasty place, and one I would not like to live in.

[Vertigo 7]

I am not implying the justice system isn't broken. It obviously is. What I take exception to is the implication that it's something we want because in some eyes "we're not doing anything about it".

I wanna make this as clear as can be as to our options for what we can do about it right now:

1) vote
2) murder every single right wing nut job in government

That's it. What do you think we should do?

[felter]

The thing is in the America voting does not work as even that is being manipulated by those in power. Gerrymandering is a prime example of this, while it is not allowed there are numerous cases of it happening right now all over American states and is being fought over in courts and never gets solved or at least solved in time before an election where the gerrymandered map and its results are allowed to stand. This is just one of many examples, and most Americans just sit back to eat their big macs and accept it.

You have to remember that voting only works when a country is a democracy, and America is a broken fake democracy, once again this seems to be what most Americans want and are happy to live with.

[matthewfarmery]

Plus the broken electoral collage.

@Vertigo 7

I'm sorry if you feeling I'm taking this out on you, or if my wording is getting to you. But from an outsider prospective, the way that Trump has managed to laugh himself out of trouble is just troubling. And that his so called allies are setting themselves up to take matters into their own hands. And as felter has pointed out, this is happening as we speak. I have read that 6 republicans will stand on the rule of law, and will certify the results as they stand. But as the republicans hold the house, its very easy for them to change their minds and, well, another J6.

And yes, the America isn't really a true democracy, its broken and out of date. Until things change, America's greatest threat will always be from within. And for a country like America to fall from its high perch and become a dictatorship, and start tensions and wars will just be Game over man, Game over.

I honestly hope it doesn't come to a civil war, but that could be on the cards if Trump gets his way. We know his words carry a lot of weight, it won't take much for him to fan the flames of mistrust and denial. and America will be in the grip of a fascist dictator, unless there are people who are willing to fight for their freedom.

I honestly hope it doesn't happen, But the issue isn't just Trump, but Vance has been parroting Trump's BS as well. Including pets being eaten. If they both have ended it there on the debate stage, ok, but they haven't, and had to push things.

I REALLY hope Harris has what it takes to defeat Trump, but, the issue is far deeper and far more troubling, especially as the republicans are setting themselves up to take matters into their own hands. Voting might not work. and if that happens, America will no longer be a democracy, full stop.

We are on the same side, but I'm getting increasing worried by a Trump 2.0, and what he will do.

[Vertigo 7]

Felter since you seem to have all the answers, tell me, how do we fix the US? What mechanisms do we have available to us that that we can employ without landing ourselves in prison or shot dead by the secret service?

[matthewfarmery]

One way, fix the media, MSM who seems to be own by powerful corps, quite a few are still covering for Trump, and refusing to acknowledge his advancing dementia. Plus there is the major decline of education. Quite a few adults aren't that bright. And Trump has gone on the record to say he will defund the department of education, if he gets back in.

For me, to try and fix America will be a very long term goal. throw out the electoral collage. Why is that antique, out of date system even needed for the modern America? Sure, it had its purpose when it was first founded. But now, more of a hinderers then anything.

Presidents aren't kings, and the supreme court also needs major reform, supreme for life, needs to be scrapped. put in better safegaurds and security measure to prevent anyone with declining health issues from running for president. (plus make the results public)

There probably a few other things that could be changed or added. But until America and Americans decide which flip side of the coin they want to live in, nothing will change.

[Vertigo 7]

Which brings me back to our only 2 choices. People have been screaming for these changes for years, decades, even.

Orange idiot aside, the only power people have is to vote or attempt a coup. We cannot directly put our hands on the levers of government. The constitution grants that power solely to those we elect. And so long as the GOP has control over rural districts, they have the power to resist any change that threatens their rule, otherwise you wouldn't see the likes of MTG or Gym Jordan and others like them in congress.

They have created these black holes where they're guaranteed to remain in power indefinitely all over the country. They control the town/city/county and therefor control the schools. They breed them stupid on purpose in these areas because intelligent people generally do not vote for republicans - look at their voting base, largely uneducated white males. And so long as they can continue to churn them out, they will forever have a foothold in those areas. These anti-immigration and anti-abortion rants they keep going on about are to serve 1 purpose and 1 purpose only, to keep white people as the majority race in the US by keeping minorities out and forcing births against the wills of many citizens.

So i'll ask again, what exactly can we do to fix things that won't land us in jail or shot dead by the secret service?

[CBJ]

I know you were using it to make the point about the limited options in this case, but please keep insinuations about use of violence out of the discussion.

[matthewfarmery]

I really wish you would stop implying that. This country isn't driven by mob rule. You can't prove the orange fat ass or that couch humper had anything to do with the bomb threats and you know it. People aren't jailed in this country without a trial and no prosecutor worth their salt would even begin to try to accuse either one of those idiots of any related crime to the threats made against the schools.

Yes, it's their "fault", morally, just as much as the people that made the threats. Legally, however, it would be extremely unlikely they could be held responsible.

To raise this one more time, the issue is, Trump is under pre trial bail conditions, and he is spreading wild and dangerous rumours that are putting people's lives at risk

Ex-prosecutor Glenn Kirschner said in a video released Saturday that Trump is endangering lives of "entire populations" by telling "despicable lies" about them, including that they are stealing and eating local residents' cats and dogs. The legal analyst highlighted recent bomb threats in Springfield, Ohio, which are suspected to have stemmed from Trump's attacks on Haitian immigrants and have led to school closures for multiple days.

"The law provides that a defendant who is on pre-trial release in a criminal case, if he poses a danger to society or even one person in society, he should be revoked on release and detained pending trial," Kirschner said.

So technically, I do have some merit in what I said. And Trump and Vance have both being spreading such rumours, Trump himself who is on bail, is the greater threat. Trump needs to stop spreading such dangerous BS, but again, anyone else saying the same stuff that he has done, and is on bail, would probably would have had their bail revoked and sitting in a jail cell. But like everything else, Trump is above the law. and so nothing will happen to him. So even then, Trump knows that nothing will happen, and will continue to spread dangerous lies and rumours to his heart;s content. Even if it does put others at major risk.

This is a real problem for America, as no one else, no one, would be given this special treatment. and I doubt anyone else will.

[Vertigo 7]

Again, you're confusing morality with legality. You don't like it, I don't like it, but he is protected by the first amendment and his rhetoric being campaign speech.

Look, I want the imbecile silenced permanently as much as anyone else does. I can't explain why he's being treated with kid gloves in most of his criminal trials, but I can say with certainty that with the exception of that **** in Florida and appeals that have made it to SCOTUS, the judges have been deliberate in their rulings and within the confines of the law. He knows his ass is in a sling and his only hope is to win this election to not die in prison.

[felter]

So someone else decided they fancied their chances at a Trump pot shot, do you think Trump is going to start getting paranoid, wondering when the next one will happen and will it succeed.

[Vertigo 7]

It appears to have been another registered republican. Of course, he didn't actually fire any shots. Report is that the guy was spotted and engaged by the secret service which prompted him to flee, leaving all of his materials and weapon behind and then later stopped in traffic and arrested by police.

Still tho, his own people keep turning against em... couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[felter]

Don't you find it ironically funny that the man who thinks soldiers are suckers for putting their lives on the line, suddenly finds he is the one putting his own life on the line every time he walks out the door.

[fiksal]

went wrong with the underlying logic of democracy over there.

the system isn't protected about this kind of thing

nationalist and fascist ideas prove themselves again popular no matter what country one is in

a little more here than there

[matthewfarmery]

So Team Trump has started to point fingers at the dems regarding the second attempt. So expect more spin as time ticks.