[7.1 Beta 5] Map ship selection issue

[Scoob]

Hi,

I'll start by saying this cannot be recreated in a Save as reloading a save made when the bug is present, does not see the issue reoccur - at least not for me.

The issue:

I'm using the map as normal, I'm looking at a sector using the view that shows both my assets and those of others. I go to give a ship of mine an order, so I click it, but it does NOT get selected. I try other ships of mine in the sector, they too are unable to be selected so I cannot give orders to them nor see there existing orders (like when you select them). Basically, I cannot select ANY of my assets, neither ships nor stations.

If I switch the map mode to show ONLY my assets, I gain the ability to select my ships and stations again, all working fine. I can then switch back to the "show everything" map view, and it will continue to be fine, until it randomly happens again.

For me, this started in Beta 5, though I did not have much time in Beta 4. At the time this occurred, I was in a busy sector, with lots of my ships and a station present, however, performance was fine generally sitting at 60fps, which is the frame-rate limit I've set for X4.

Sorry for the lack of reproduction case or save, but I've been unable to trigger it at will nor reproduce from a save.

[Scoob]

Hi,

An update...

After experiencing this issue a few more times - still no idea what causes it, though I do spend a lot of time on the Map screen - I think it's actually a UI freeze.

The issue occurred again just now, and I could not select anything as before. However, I noticed that several of my ships were showing the hour glass icon - aka no orders - when I KNEW I'd given them a variety of orders moments earlier. I.e. setting some to go trading, assigning others to Stations, some to other ships etc. I could see the ships moving on the map, following their orders, but the list wasn't updating. This time I was already in the "my stuff only" view, so I flipped it to show everything then back again and the UI updated. My ships now showing their orders and me able to select them once more.

Apologies again for the lack of details, but I'm not seeing a pattern here. Recreation instruction at best are: play around in the map for ages managing your assets. I'd been playing for several hours before the issue occurred this time, no recent saves.

[donzi]

I typically do like you describe with the left and right side UI both active.. the inability to select on the map IIRC it is when the trade and/or mining filter are active also.

[Scoob]

I typically do like you describe with the left and right side UI both active.. the inability to select on the map IIRC it is when the trade and/or mining filter are active also.

While there are legitimate reasons why something might not be able to be selected - such as sitting in the Plot view by mistake - that's no what's happening here. I'm literally in and out of the map, all is working well and I'm selecting ships and giving orders, when suddenly I can no longer select anything until I flip between the My Property only and everything in the sector views. Not in game at the mo, can't recall the exact name of the tabs, but you know what I mean. Now I know how to work around it, it's less irksome but still happens fairly often.

As mentioned, it does appear to be a UI freeze as thing don't update when the issue occurs. I've had it happen several times now, all seemingly with no pattern that I can tell. I just open the map (I really do this a LOT at the current game stage) and while it opens, the left-panel list is then frozen and I cannot select anything.

[TheDeliveryMan]

I am seeing this also, especially often when I want to modify repeat orders of several ships. I can change orders of the first ship just fine, but when I try to select the next ship, the behaviour tab on the left hand side still shows the first ship. I have to exit and reenter the map, then everything works fine for the next ship.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to reproduce it.

[donzi]

While there are legitimate reasons why something might not be able to be selected - such as sitting in the Plot view by mistake - that's no what's happening here.

I am fairly sure what I have seen is the same you've described.. However until I have it happen again, I forgot too many details. One of those things that I find a work-around and just sort of ignore while playing for fun.

I've become aware of UI arrangements that are presumably meant to freeze map selection, but I'm pretty sure this was happening while just doing the repetitive, normal things though.

The bit about the filters came to mind because I think when I had this happen toggling one of the 3 allowed me to regain control w/o dropping back to FP view.
..I was way off by implying it was somehow a way to repo. Next time it happens I'll pay attention.

[Scoob]

I am seeing this also, especially often when I want to modify repeat orders of several ships. I can change orders of the first ship just fine, but when I try to select the next ship, the behaviour tab on the left hand side still shows the first ship. I have to exit and reenter the map, then everything works fine for the next ship.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to reproduce it.

When it happens to me, I'm sorta in the zone giving orders, then it stops working. I've not personally been tinkering with Repeat Order ships, well, not for ages, just regular move order stuff for the most part when it happens. I'm happily giving orders, then I click on a ship on the map or property list and it's not selected, I then notice that the Property list is frozen and not updating - I cannot select anything on the list or map at that point I.e. I successfully gave an order to a ship to fly somewhere - which involved it undocking - then went to give an order to another ship. It was at that point I could see that the first ship had indeed undocked and was on its way, but the property list still showed it as docked without any orders.

So, when this bug occurs for me, I cannot select anything - until I toggle the map view between just mine and all properties - the property list stops updating, but the map continues to update regularly. I'm not experiencing any low-fps issues, game is running fine.

I am fairly sure what I have seen is the same you've described.. However until I have it happen again, I forgot too many details. One of those things that I find a work-around and just sort of ignore while playing for fun.

I've become aware of UI arrangements that are presumably meant to freeze map selection, but I'm pretty sure this was happening while just doing the repetitive, normal things though.

The bit about the filters came to mind because I think when I had this happen toggling one of the 3 allowed me to regain control w/o dropping back to FP view.
..I was way off by implying it was somehow a way to repo. Next time it happens I'll pay attention.

I know what you mean, I'm almost on auto-pilot giving orders - it's all muscle memory now so to speak, I'm not really thinking about what I'm doing as it all comes naturally. As a result, it just totally throws me when it happens. I mean, I know I just successfully selected that ship and gave it an order, I just cannot select the next ship I wish to order around. I can't think of anything specific about what I'm doing when the bug triggers. It did start, for me at least, in v7.1 Beta 5 and the switching views between My and All property has reliably worked around the issue thus far.

If I can reliably recreate it in my vanilla save, I will. Haven't managed so far.

[donzi]

The gui has been ripe with oddities since the April 7.00 beta, although a lot of them have been addressed it remains somewhat a moving target... and perhaps has a snowball and minefield for parents.

Somewhat tricky to nail down at times, but I think 1 or 2 that I could repo fell through the cracks. (EG: "map gui decay to non functionality - edge case perhaps")

Some issues I'd noted probably never made it here since the updates and my game start/restart/etc switching was quite brisk. I may sift through old notes, saves & forum posts to see what floats to the top.