Coronavirus: COVID-19

[Rug]

Yes, it's clearly time to get out and mingle now that the new cases are down to just 24k a day, and the deaths are barely even reaching 1200 a day now...

But as long as you can eat a hearty meal in a restaurant then who gives a hoot about those other people...

[CBJ]

Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.

[Vertigo 7]

Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.

You know... dear leader said the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Now it all makes sense. He learned how to be a president by studying cartoon villains!

[fiksal]

Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Liking

a relevant message that will not be heard by Republicans, I am sure, especially the Trump cult,
but an important one considering the party. And it is still somehow up for a discussion in US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... gum-masks/

As states across the country have gradually pushed forward with reopening in recent weeks, protesters representing a small but apparently growing movement — especially within the Republican Party — have continued to push for it to go faster. And one very visible thing has somehow turned into a perceived political statement: wearing a mask.
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Across the border in North Dakota, though, GOP Gov. Doug Burgum on Friday offered a plea to stop the madness.
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“I would really love to see in North Dakota that we could just skip this thing that other parts of the nation are going through where they’re trading a divide — either it’s ideological or political or something — around masks versus no mask,” Burgum said. “This is a, I would say, senseless dividing line, and I would ask people to try to dial up your empathy and your understanding.”
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“If someone is wearing a mask, they’re not doing it to represent what political party they’re in or what candidates they support,” Burgum said, before his voice began breaking. “They might be doing it because they’ve got a 5-year-old child who’s been going through cancer treatments. They might have vulnerable adults in their life who currently have covid, and they’re fighting.”
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To be clear, the number of people protesting the wearing of masks is small. Scenes like the one in Minnesota are the exception, rather than the rule. But there are myriad images of people reemerging in society and, in doing so, declining to wear masks, even as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continue to recommend them.

[RegisterMe]

I think I approve of Gov. Dough Burgun.

[RegisterMe]

He learned how to be a president by studying cartoon villains!

Nah, he failed at that too.

[Mightysword]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... gum-masks/

Here is one contradiction with the red-blue narrative:

- If you see protest in a state: that means the 'government' is not easing the restriction fast enough to the taste of the population.
- If a government does ease it out fast enough, than you wouldn't see any protest, because obviously there isn't counter protest of opening too soon.

So either scenario it's one player doing, which throws the red-blue out of the window. Rather, it's just opportunist snapshots carefully selected with sensational editorialized to push a narrative. For example, Florida beach is one thing because it's red. But last month when Cali was still in hard lock-down, the government re-open the beaches for 'exercising with social distance'. The next day the whole area got flooded like prime time carnival, so the government re-order for it to be closed again. And guess what, the day after that people were out protesting against it. Yeah, it wasn't for some grandeur reason like the economy or freedom ...etc... I simply need to get to me beach! And that's California, the blue capital. Source: local - my whole dad side of the family live in the Longbeach area. Needless to say they thought the whole things were pretty stupid.


As just with the mask thing. I think my community had pretty much masked up since early Feb, while WHO, health official and media stations were telling people how it will not help. Tbh I was kinda slow on it, and didn't mask up until the health advise changed in later April, but I could tell going into an Asian market with me the only one not wearing it in march, no one said anything but I know I were getting weird stare. In fact, it's my Dad who got his mask first when he showed up unmask to a liquor store ran by an old Asian couples, they gave him a spare!

I don't understand the logic of people getting confrontational about wearing it. Even if the benefit is dubious, not like it costs them anything to do. (hyperbole mode on) I feel if you want to kill off a certain population of American, you can just make a law like "poison is dangerous, you must not drink them" or "you must not jump out of the window because it can kill you", and it will trigger some Americans enough that they will do exactly those while yelling "FREEDOOM"! What's the word for it again? Anarchist, non-comformist? 'Cause it's sure as well ain't patriot. (/hyperbole mode off).

But then again, a store serves thousands of people per day, and ten of thousands in a week, but the one idiot who makes a fuss (probably just for FB's like) is the one we will see on the news 'representing American'.

To be clear, the number of people protesting the wearing of masks is small. Scenes like the one in Minnesota are the exception, rather than the rule. But there are myriad images of people reemerging in society and, in doing so, declining to wear masks, even as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continue to recommend them.

To put this idea in practice, just like what I suggest earlier couple months ago about cutting off or distancing one self from social media and sensationalized news source. I've been to a few public places both Asian and Non-Asian stores, and pretty much all I see are reasonable, sensible people obeying the rules like they should. In another word, without being 'informed' by these instances through the news, I think it's much better for my sanity.

[Masterbagger]

Masks are most effective at making people feel safe. People not wearing masks shatter that feeling of safety. So we have conflict. Whether the safety is real or imagined is irrelevant. Fears and feelings are the currency used to attempt to dictate the actions of others.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... gum-masks/

Here is one contradiction with the red-blue narrative:

- If you see protest in a state: that means the 'government' is not easing the restriction fast enough to the taste of the population.
- If a government does ease it out fast enough, than you wouldn't see any protest, because obviously there isn't counter protest of opening too soon.

So either scenario it's one player doing, which throws the red-blue out of the window. Rather, it's just opportunist snapshots carefully selected with sensational editorialized to push a narrative. For example, Florida beach is one thing because it's red. But last month when Cali was still in hard lock-down, the government re-open the beaches for 'exercising with social distance'. The next day the whole area got flooded like prime time carnival, so the government re-order for it to be closed again. And guess what, the day after that people were out protesting against it. Yeah, it wasn't for some grandeur reason like the economy or freedom ...etc... I simply need to get to me beach! And that's California, the blue capital. Source: local - my whole dad side of the family live in the Longbeach area. Needless to say they thought the whole things were pretty stupid.


As just with the mask thing. I think my community had pretty much masked up since early Feb, while WHO, health official and media stations were telling people how it will not help. Tbh I was kinda slow on it, and didn't mask up until the health advise changed in later April, but I could tell going into an Asian market with me the only one not wearing it in march, no one said anything but I know I were getting weird stare. In fact, it's my Dad who got his mask first when he showed up unmask to a liquor store ran by an old Asian couples, they gave him a spare!

I don't understand the logic of people getting confrontational about wearing it. Even if the benefit is dubious, not like it costs them anything to do. (hyperbole mode on) I feel if you want to kill off a certain population of American, you can just make a law like "poison is dangerous, you must not drink them" or "you must not jump out of the window because it can kill you", and it will trigger some Americans enough that they will do exactly those while yelling "FREEDOOM"! What's the word for it again? Anarchist, non-comformist? 'Cause it's sure as well ain't patriot. (/hyperbole mode off).

But then again, a store serves thousands of people per day, and ten of thousands in a week, but the one idiot who makes a fuss (probably just for FB's like) is the one we will see on the news 'representing American'.

To be clear, the number of people protesting the wearing of masks is small. Scenes like the one in Minnesota are the exception, rather than the rule. But there are myriad images of people reemerging in society and, in doing so, declining to wear masks, even as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continue to recommend them.

To put this idea in practice, just like what I suggest earlier couple months ago about cutting off or distancing one self from social media and sensationalized news source. I've been to a few public places both Asian and Non-Asian stores, and pretty much all I see are reasonable, sensible people obeying the rules like they should. In another word, without being 'informed' by these instances through the news, I think it's much better for my sanity.

You're wrong on a couple of points. 1, the protests against the lockdowns are being held by a very small portion of the population and do not represent the will of the American people. And 2, the reason you aren't seeing counter protests are because those that *would* be in that group have a bit more common sense than their counter parts and aren't willing to endanger themselves or others and aren't all consumed by selfish desires. In other words, they're staying home and not contributing a public health crisis.

You don't see people that are prioritizing safety over stupidity levying death threats against government officials from either side of the fence. And while the opposite is certainly true, as disgusting as their behavior is, reporting on it is hardly 'sensational'. Orange lemmings harassing and attacking reporters and being praised for it by their overlord, again disgusting behavior, but reporting on it doesn't make it 'sensational'. What it does do is inform the public of the danger they may find themselves in at the hands of Trump and his hillbilly attack dogs. Hell, you're Asian, surely you're aware of the uptick in harassment and assaults Asians have been faced with since the Covid outbreak in the US. If you saw a gaggle of fat bearded armed white guys in walmart camo's marching through your neighborhood, wouldn't you feel a tinge of panic? The message is clear. Trump doesn't care about your life, or anyones for that matter. And anyone who disagrees is a target for harassment or worse and they'll get nothing but praise out of Lord Orangeus Fatteus.

[Mightysword]

Masks are most effective at making people feel safe. People not wearing masks shatter that feeling of safety. So we have conflict. Whether the safety is real or imagined is irrelevant. Fears and feelings are the currency used to attempt to dictate the actions of others.

And that's exactly my point, why even try to make it into such an argument? When I run into old Asian people at King Sooper in February, they already masked up. At that point no one told them to, in fact quite the opposite, everyone were told NOT to wear mask at that time and they were probably looked upon weirdly by others. Hell it didn't know wearing Mask is such stigma in the west until now (if you believe the media that is, I'm not informed enough to determine if this is actually a stigma or just overhyped sensational internet memes). By March pretty much every asian I came across wear mask, and again that was before there was even a recommendation to do so from any official source. To use that's just common sense, and who know if it helps or not, but it can't hurt.

It doesn't have to be 'twisted' into some kind of fear and control narrative, if anything THAT sounds far more paranoid than the act of wearing mask itself. Given how often you see I came out fighting against that very thing I hope it meant something to you. There is rational thinking about thing objectively, and there is just take everything in the worst possible interpretation. While I don't agree with the easing down social distancing, like I said I can at least understand and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But to the few douches who confront store clerks over wearing mask rule, that's just stupid. The only rational I can come up with for those people are they're just pretending to be some kind of freedom fighter for social media fame given how well they often self-documented themselves in the act.

Tell you what, I would have far more respect for a person who just flat out say "I don't wear mask because I simply don't like and believe it doesn't help" over someone who tries to pretend they're doing that for some higher reason.

[Masterbagger]

And that's exactly my point, why even try to make it into such an argument? When I run into old Asian people at King Sooper in February, they already masked up. At that point no one told them to, in fact quite the opposite, everyone were told NOT to wear mask at that time and they were probably looked upon weirdly by others. Hell it didn't know wearing Mask is such stigma in the west until now (if you believe the media that is, I'm not informed enough to determine if this is actually a stigma or just overhyped sensational internet memes). By March pretty much every asian I came across wear mask, and again that was before there was even a recommendation to do so from any official source. To use that's just common sense, and who know if it helps or not, but it can't hurt.

It doesn't have to be 'twisted' into some kind of fear and control narrative, if anything THAT sounds far more paranoid than the act of wearing mask itself. Given how often you see I came out fighting against that very thing I hope it meant something to you. There is rational thinking about thing objectively, and there is just take everything in the worst possible interpretation. While I don't agree with the easing down social distancing, like I said I can at least understand and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But to the few douches who confront store clerks over wearing mask rule, that's just stupid. The only rational I can come up with for those people are they're just pretending to be some kind of freedom fighter for social media fame given how well they often self-documented themselves in the act.

Tell you what, I would have far more respect for a person who just flat out say "I don't wear mask because I simply don't like and believe it doesn't help" over someone who tries to pretend they're doing that for some higher reason.

I'm aware of the whole Asian thing about wearing masks when you are sick and I have no judgement there. I go to the same store at the same time on the same day each week. As you say I have seen the Asian people mask up because I run into them every week. I'm going to be honest with you when it comes to America. We have never done this mask crap before with a flu. It has been overhyped to excess and there are a legion of Karens out there willing to be citizen gestapo to enforce it for virtue signalling purposes. I never wanted to play this game or make it a political statement. This has been stupid the entire time. I didn't do the the mask thing and I won't now. I respect the rights of businesses to require that nonsense and I have my own discretion to go where it is not a factor. Somehow I think we are all going to be here condemning each other for other things long into the future despite the assurances that I'll die if I don't act mortally afraid of bat flu. Emotional hand wringing to follow.

[Vertigo 7]

https://i.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/upl ... 2&fit=crop

I know, I know, Trump didn't say it so don't believe it.

https://www.thenation.com/article/socie ... sks-covid/
Pretty much this in every way.

[fiksal]

So either scenario it's one player doing, which throws the red-blue out of the window. Rather, it's just opportunist snapshots carefully selected with sensational editorialized to push a narrative

I agree, I dont think this is red-blue state thing either. It is however people who dont think the virus is a threat versus those that do. The thing with red states, more often then not, the States support the idea that virus is not a threat. Curious exceptions of course exist, as the one I posted.

Tbh I was kinda slow on it,

So am I, and I was incorrectly fudging on the idea that I am not the carrier and I have little reason to be among people now. Still, I am wrong and my mask should be here by now (it's taking longer).

I don't understand the logic of people getting confrontational about wearing it. Even if the benefit is dubious, not like it costs them anything to do.

I dont get it either. The benefit is enough to protect from infecting others. Some people wear it because they think it protects them. It's fine I guess.

(hyperbole mode on) I feel if you want to kill off a certain population of American, you can just make a law like "poison is dangerous, you must not drink them" or "you must not jump out of the window because it can kill you", and it will trigger some Americans enough that they will do exactly those while yelling "FREEDOOM"! What's the word for it again? Anarchist, non-comformist? 'Cause it's sure as well ain't patriot. (/hyperbole mode off).

Yes folks, dont drink bleach

I just call them nuts.

But then again, a store serves thousands of people per day, and ten of thousands in a week, but the one idiot who makes a fuss (probably just for FB's like) is the one we will see on the news 'representing American'.

yes those do make the news. But so do those that put on gun cosplay costumes.

In another word, without being 'informed' by these instances through the news, I think it's much better for my sanity.

I have uninstalled Facebook on my phone. There's only so many people I can block.

Masks are most effective at making people feel safe. People not wearing masks shatter that feeling of safety. So we have conflict. Whether the safety is real or imagined is irrelevant. Fears and feelings are the currency used to attempt to dictate the actions of others.

It's a simplest thing to do - you want this virus gone or reduced - do that for two or three weeks - and done. But nope, we enjoy having it around.

[Mightysword]

I'm going to be honest with you when it comes to America. We have never done this mask crap before with a flu.

Never doesn't meant you can't start doing it, now is as a good time as any. After all, like I said it can only help.

It has been overhyped to excess and there are a legion of Karens out there willing to be citizen gestapo to enforce it for virtue signalling purposes.

And I think you're hyping its enforcement. If you step in into my house, your freedom be damn because you gonna follow MY rule, but that's only if you step into MY house.

I respect the rights of businesses to require that nonsense and I have my own discretion to go where it is not a factor.

Then good for you, it means you're not part of the few idiots I'm having issue with. You have the choice of accepting the rule of an establishment and get its service, or you can choose not to and go somewhere else. At least you are sensible enough to be aware of that choice and take it. Just like you respect their right to make the rule for their own place, I also respect the fact not everyone gonna like the same rule.

I have issue with douches who believe they got to decide the rule in someone else house because they think it's their god given right.

Somehow I think we are all going to be here condemning each other ...

Trust me, I'm trying to do my best to avoid that. After all why do you think I often refute whenever someone try to make this a Red vs Blue things?

But there are behavior that just simply idiotic, regardless of how much political dressing it tries to put on. In another word, it is not politic, it's just stupid.

[CBJ]

Just to bring things back to the actual virus, some interesting observations from doctors on what makes it different from flu, viral pneumonia, and other illnesses that they are more familiar with treating.

[fiksal]

Just to bring things back to the actual virus, some interesting observations from doctors on what makes it different from flu, viral pneumonia, and other illnesses that they are more familiar with treating.

Depressing

[Vertigo 7]

98,000 dead in the US alone and counting. Truly a somber Memorial Day, at least for those with a conscience.

[RegisterMe]

98,000 dead in the US alone and counting. Truly a somber Memorial Day, at least for those with a conscience.

Worldometers reporting 99300. You'll hit 100k tomorrow .

[Vertigo 7]

98,000 dead in the US alone and counting. Truly a somber Memorial Day, at least for those with a conscience.

Worldometers reporting 99300. You'll hit 100k tomorrow .

Yeah... in a couple more weeks we'll have surpassed the number of Americans killed during World War 1.

[fiksal]

We also exceeded number of deaths on 9/11.