Trump

[Vertigo 7]

So has anyone actually said that Trump or that the US President does not have the right to sack and ambassador or us Envoy. Has anyone actually said he did not have the right to sack Marie Yovanovitch, I can't think on hearing anyone say that he couldn't do such a thing. I have heard or read some asking why he sacked her, as it seemed to be a pretty suspicious move to do, especially while some of Trumps allies mainly one Rudy Giuliani were spreading fictitious stories about her. But Trump keeps on ranting that he has the right to fire her, which I don't think anyone is denying him that right but he keeps on going on about it like they have.

So anyway, he must have been feeling pretty low this morning, as he phoned his defenders Fox and Friends moaned that he had the right to fire her (Marie Yovanovitch) before coming up with the feeble excuse that he did so because, wait for it, she would not hang his picture up in the Embassy, without giving any more details about even where that story came from or evidence to back it up. The Whitehouse keeps shouting out that everything being said at the impeachment inquiry is hearsay, I say what Trump said today is the real hearsay.

I reckon in that small feeble mind of his he thought that this would make him look good and in the right, but to be honest in my mind it makes him look small, pitiful and vain.

This is part of Trump's misogyny. The thought of a woman that would stand up to him and say 'no' infuriates him to no end. It wasn't enough that he could just simply remove the ambassador without cause and be done with it, no, he had to openly attack her and drag her through the mud in order to reduce her. Now he's trying to justify it knowing full well any job performance related attacks wouldn't be believed by anyone at this point. Remember, this is "Grab em by the pussy" Trump we're talking about. He hasn't changed.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/22/lev-pa ... rongdoing/

One of Rudy Colludy's goons is flipping and offering evidence against Trump to the impeachment inquiry.

[RegisterMe]

So has anyone actually said that Trump or that the US President does not have the right to sack and ambassador or us Envoy. Has anyone actually said he did not have the right to sack Marie Yovanovitch, I can't think on hearing anyone say that he couldn't do such a thing.

Quite the opposite. Every witness has acknowledged that the President has the right to sack, move, remove, replace etc any ambassador. Just because a day had a y in it.

What the witnesses have questioned is a) why the only one treated so was the ambassador to Ukraine, b) why they needed to be smeared in the process (and c) why this just happened to be the case in the same country where Giuliani and Sondland etc were running around trying to smear Biden in exchange for an Oval Office meeting and $391m in military aid).

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWoZBvoCiE4

/7 "There's just one thing that you need to know: Trump said, "Do us a favor, though!"" /7

[Vertigo 7]

So has anyone actually said that Trump or that the US President does not have the right to sack and ambassador or us Envoy. Has anyone actually said he did not have the right to sack Marie Yovanovitch, I can't think on hearing anyone say that he couldn't do such a thing. I have heard or read some asking why he sacked her, as it seemed to be a pretty suspicious move to do, especially while some of Trumps allies mainly one Rudy Giuliani were spreading fictitious stories about her. But Trump keeps on ranting that he has the right to fire her, which I don't think anyone is denying him that right but he keeps on going on about it like they have.

So anyway, he must have been feeling pretty low this morning, as he phoned his defenders Fox and Friends moaned that he had the right to fire her (Marie Yovanovitch) before coming up with the feeble excuse that he did so because, wait for it, she would not hang his picture up in the Embassy, without giving any more details about even where that story came from or evidence to back it up. The Whitehouse keeps shouting out that everything being said at the impeachment inquiry is hearsay, I say what Trump said today is the real hearsay.

I reckon in that small feeble mind of his he thought that this would make him look good and in the right, but to be honest in my mind it makes him look small, pitiful and vain.

This is part of Trump's misogyny. The thought of a woman that would stand up to him and say 'no' infuriates him to no end. It wasn't enough that he could just simply remove the ambassador without cause and be done with it, no, he had to openly attack her and drag her through the mud in order to reduce her. Now he's trying to justify it knowing full well any job performance related attacks wouldn't be believed by anyone at this point. Remember, this is "Grab em by the pussy" Trump we're talking about. He hasn't changed.

Yup, like I thought. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-BBXapbm

[Olterin]

... I interrupt your daily scheduled pre-impeachment hearings review with an important hypothetical question:

Hypothetically, if Trump were to be impeached, what's the procedure then? Vice President takes over? If so - what if, say, the Vice President were also somehow implicated as complicit in the reason for the impeachment? What, constitutionally, would happen then? How far does the line go until re-elections are called?

(The answer to this might suggest the probable result of any impeachment trial in the Senate if it ever goes that far)

[Vertigo 7]

... I interrupt your daily scheduled pre-impeachment hearings review with an important hypothetical question:

Hypothetically, if Trump were to be impeached, what's the procedure then? Vice President takes over? If so - what if, say, the Vice President were also somehow implicated as complicit in the reason for the impeachment? What, constitutionally, would happen then? How far does the line go until re-elections are called?

(The answer to this might suggest the probable result of any impeachment trial in the Senate if it ever goes that far)

So here's the thing. If the senate votes to convict and remove Trump, Pence gets sworn in and Trump gets tossed out. It's unlikely they will vote to convict, but if they dig deep down and find their patriotism, then it's possible. I give it about a 25-30% chance of happening.

So at that point, IF the house then were to push to impeach Pence as well, I would find it exceedingly unlikely the senate would vote to convict him. Yes he's involved, yes, it's wrong, but at this point, his participation has been limited and I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this that he was following Trumps orders and stayed out of it as much as he could. That being said, I would not extend that consideration to Mulvaney or Pompeo.

So why won't the senate convict Pence as well? Well that means Pelosi gets sworn in as president and the GOP will under no circumstances hand the WH to the democrats even if God appeared before them and said do it.

Edit:
Just fyi, there's no circumstances for a reelection, not in the sense where voters go to the poles. I forget off the top of my head, but there's a certain circumstance where the senate is empowered to vote to elect a new president, but there's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen before they're able to take that step. Otherwise, the chain of succession is enacted.

[Masterbagger]

... I interrupt your daily scheduled pre-impeachment hearings review with an important hypothetical question:

Hypothetically, if Trump were to be impeached, what's the procedure then? Vice President takes over? If so - what if, say, the Vice President were also somehow implicated as complicit in the reason for the impeachment? What, constitutionally, would happen then? How far does the line go until re-elections are called?

(The answer to this might suggest the probable result of any impeachment trial in the Senate if it ever goes that far)

The house can impeach Trump with a vote at any time they choose to. It is just a simple majority vote that they have the numbers for now. Impeachment is an accusation of a crime. It then goes the Senate to be conducted as a trial. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. The Chief Justice of SCOTUS will preside over it and removing the president from office will require a 2/3rds majority of the Senate. If that hypothetically happened Pence would be sworn in as President.

The critical step is the Senate. The Senate is going to conduct a trial. You are going to see the same stuff you have been seeing now under that lying clown Schiff repeat from the beginning but under a new body running things. Trump's lawyers will be calling people forward to testify. Eric Ciaramella, the alleged leakblower here is definitely going to be one of them. Probably Schiff too. It is going to be the whole sham circus starting over from the beginning. I don't think the supermajority is there to convict Trump but nothing conclusive can be said. If the dems go ahead and skin that smoke wagon it is going to take months to conduct a trial in the Senate. Anything could happen.

Very odd hearing a British accent during these hearings...

Make America Great Britain Again.

The worst part of living in a desert is not having a harbor to throw tea into.

[Vertigo 7]

... I interrupt your daily scheduled pre-impeachment hearings review with an important hypothetical question:

Hypothetically, if Trump were to be impeached, what's the procedure then? Vice President takes over? If so - what if, say, the Vice President were also somehow implicated as complicit in the reason for the impeachment? What, constitutionally, would happen then? How far does the line go until re-elections are called?

(The answer to this might suggest the probable result of any impeachment trial in the Senate if it ever goes that far)

The house can impeach Trump with a vote at any time they choose to. It is just a simple majority vote that they have the numbers for now. Impeachment is an accusation of a crime. It then goes the Senate to be conducted as a trial. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. The Chief Justice of SCOTUS will preside over it and removing the president from office will require a 2/3rds majority of the Senate. If that hypothetically happened Pence would be sworn in as President.

blah blah blah Trump waifu pillow keeps me comfy. I hate America. Let's destroy democracy!

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

[Masterbagger]

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Do you want to do something for America? Show some respect for democracy when it happened and you lost. I vote the same way for the same reasons every single time we have an election. It is only this time that the side you support has gone berserk over it and made our differences personal. I'm not going to do that in return. I survived Obama. You will survive Trump even if I reelect him.

[Vertigo 7]

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Do you want to do something for America? Show some respect for democracy when it happened and you lost. I vote the same way for the same reasons every single time we have an election. It is only this time that the side you support has gone berserk over it and made our differences personal. I'm not going to do that in return. I survived Obama. You will survive Trump even if I reelect him.

First off, *YOU* aren't going to elect or reelect anybody. *YOU* only get one vote, same as anybody else. Don't inflate your importance. I've already pointed out to you that you are a mere speck among millions. And 2ndly, no one but the electoral college gets to elect a president.

Do you think Article 1, section 2, paragraph 5 of the US Constitution is just there to fill empty space? Our democracy was built around checks and balances. Your glorious leader has warped his position, ignored his constitutional responsibilities and duties, and betrayed his oath of office for his own purposes, while simultaneously launched unfounded attacks against career government officials that have served this country with more honor and distinction than any other living US citizen. The remedy for that, as clearly spelled out in the constitution, is impeachment.

This Trumpanzie blind ignorance and faith are a spit against the once noble institutions that this country was founded on. I'm glad there's those in government that are still willing to stand up for what is right and take whatever steps they can to restore some dignity to the US. This willful suborning of criminal activity in the highest office of the land is beyond sickening and is unworthy of anyone who still considers themselves to be a citizen of this great country, even more so a patriot. I would figure someone who supposedly served in this nations military would have more honor than that, but I guess the time of honor has long since passed for any one waving the Trump banner.

[Masterbagger]

First off, *YOU* aren't going to elect or reelect anybody. *YOU* only get one vote, same as anybody else. Don't inflate your importance. I've already pointed out to you that you are a mere speck among millions. And 2ndly, no one but the electoral college gets to elect a president.

Do you think Article 1, section 2, paragraph 5 of the US Constitution is just there to fill empty space? Our democracy was built around checks and balances. Your glorious leader has warped his position, ignored his constitutional responsibilities and duties, and betrayed his oath of office for his own purposes, while simultaneously launched unfounded attacks against career government officials that have served this country with more honor and distinction than any other living US citizen. The remedy for that, as clearly spelled out in the constitution, is impeachment.

This Trumpanzie blind ignorance and faith are a spit against the once noble institutions that this country was founded on. I'm glad there's those in government that are still willing to stand up for what is right and take whatever steps they can to restore some dignity to the US. This willful suborning of criminal activity in the highest office of the land is beyond sickening and is unworthy of anyone who still considers themselves to be a citizen of this great country, even more so a patriot. I would figure someone who supposedly served in this nations military would have more honor than that, but I guess the time of honor has long since passed for any one waving the Trump banner.

I swore the same oath you allegedly did. The only thing preventing us from treating each other as peers is you. You are making an enemy of me and I am not reciprocating. I believe we should be able to exchange opinions without hate. That is the only way forward.

[Vertigo 7]

First off, *YOU* aren't going to elect or reelect anybody. *YOU* only get one vote, same as anybody else. Don't inflate your importance. I've already pointed out to you that you are a mere speck among millions. And 2ndly, no one but the electoral college gets to elect a president.

Do you think Article 1, section 2, paragraph 5 of the US Constitution is just there to fill empty space? Our democracy was built around checks and balances. Your glorious leader has warped his position, ignored his constitutional responsibilities and duties, and betrayed his oath of office for his own purposes, while simultaneously launched unfounded attacks against career government officials that have served this country with more honor and distinction than any other living US citizen. The remedy for that, as clearly spelled out in the constitution, is impeachment.

This Trumpanzie blind ignorance and faith are a spit against the once noble institutions that this country was founded on. I'm glad there's those in government that are still willing to stand up for what is right and take whatever steps they can to restore some dignity to the US. This willful suborning of criminal activity in the highest office of the land is beyond sickening and is unworthy of anyone who still considers themselves to be a citizen of this great country, even more so a patriot. I would figure someone who supposedly served in this nations military would have more honor than that, but I guess the time of honor has long since passed for any one waving the Trump banner.

I swore the same oath you allegedly did. The only thing preventing us from treating each other as peers is you. You are making an enemy of me and I am not reciprocating. I believe we should be able to exchange opinions without hate. That is the only way forward.

You dug your pit, I'm not going to help you get out of it, nor am I going to jump in it with you. If you want me to regard you with any modicum of respect, then show your loyalty to the US and not to Trump.

This isn't about being a republican or a democrat or anything in between, this is about right and wrong. If you want to continue to support what is clearly indefensible and what is wrong, that's your choice but don't expect me to look at that or you with nothing but disdain and contempt.

I expect and demand better for this country. Where you set the bar is for you to decide, but if you cared one iota, you would expect and demand better as well.

You and I both know had Obama or Clinton even hinted at behaving as Trump has, the GOP would be loosing their damn minds over it. Hell, they impeached Clinton and tried to toss him out for lying about having an affair. But turning a blind eye to this crap? I guess it's only a crime if a democrat does it, right?

Drink all of the conspiracy theories you like. Jump when your orange leader says jump. Only think when you're spoon fed thoughts from Fox and Friends. If that's how you want to live, so be it. I'm, however, going to continue to employ critical thinking and self determination. I would encourage you to do the same. Note: I'm not suggesting you abandon the GOP, I'm merely suggesting you stop blindly accepting what you're told.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-po ... s-2019-11/

Documents released by the US State Department under a FOIA a couple of hours ago show ol' Rudy Colludy delivering the smear campaign documents to Pompeo in March prior to Ambassador Yovanovitch's removal, as well as call logs between them.

https://www.americanoversight.org/wp-co ... _11-22.pdf

The included news reports were delivered with the Trump name embossed on the folder.

American Oversight is saying they will have more documents soon under more FOIA requests. https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/wat ... 3941061530

[Masterbagger]

You dug your pit, I'm not going to help you get out of it, nor am I going to jump in it with you. If you want me to regard you with any modicum of respect, then show your loyalty to the US and not to Trump.

This isn't about being a republican or a democrat or anything in between, this is about right and wrong. If you want to continue to support what is clearly indefensible and what is wrong, that's your choice but don't expect me to look at that or you with nothing but disdain and contempt.

I expect and demand better for this country. Where you set the bar is for you to decide, but if you cared one iota, you would expect and demand better as well.

You and I both know had Obama or Clinton even hinted at behaving as Trump has, the GOP would be loosing their damn minds over it. Hell, they impeached Clinton and tried to toss him out for lying about having an affair. But turning a blind eye to this crap? I guess it's only a crime if a democrat does it, right?

Drink all of the conspiracy theories you like. Jump when your orange leader says jump. Only think when you're spoon fed thoughts from Fox and Friends. If that's how you want to live, so be it. I'm, however, going to continue to employ critical thinking and self determination. I would encourage you to do the same. Note: I'm not suggesting you abandon the GOP, I'm merely suggesting you stop blindly accepting what you're told.

Insinuating that I am not capable of thinking for myself is just another form of hate and dehumanization. It won't serve you.

[Vertigo 7]

You dug your pit, I'm not going to help you get out of it, nor am I going to jump in it with you. If you want me to regard you with any modicum of respect, then show your loyalty to the US and not to Trump.

This isn't about being a republican or a democrat or anything in between, this is about right and wrong. If you want to continue to support what is clearly indefensible and what is wrong, that's your choice but don't expect me to look at that or you with nothing but disdain and contempt.

I expect and demand better for this country. Where you set the bar is for you to decide, but if you cared one iota, you would expect and demand better as well.

You and I both know had Obama or Clinton even hinted at behaving as Trump has, the GOP would be loosing their damn minds over it. Hell, they impeached Clinton and tried to toss him out for lying about having an affair. But turning a blind eye to this crap? I guess it's only a crime if a democrat does it, right?

Drink all of the conspiracy theories you like. Jump when your orange leader says jump. Only think when you're spoon fed thoughts from Fox and Friends. If that's how you want to live, so be it. I'm, however, going to continue to employ critical thinking and self determination. I would encourage you to do the same. Note: I'm not suggesting you abandon the GOP, I'm merely suggesting you stop blindly accepting what you're told.

Insinuating that I am not capable of thinking for myself is just another form of hate and dehumanization. It won't serve you.

Prove me wrong, then. Show me you can review information and verify sources.

I've watched you do nothing but parrot Trump for the last several months, practically word for word in many cases. Not once have you even attempted to refute the daily onslaught of straight up bs that comes from his twitter account and helicopter rants. I can only surmise you've given up your own rights of identity to serve Trump. Do you have anything to show this isn't the case?

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I tell you what, I'll make it easy for you. Can you tell me one thing Trump has done over the last 3 years that you took particular exception to? In turn I will find something he did that I can support.

[RegisterMe]

If this was a regular Jo Schmoe criminal case the defendant would be found guilty in a nanosecond (all seventeen witnesses, including those called by the Republicans, have confirmed the same thing, and the defendant has admitted it). But it's not, it's a political process. Articles of impeachment will be drawn up by the Judiciary Committee and sent to the Senate, where McConnell will either put them in a drawer and forget about them, or it will go to a partisan vote and they won't achieve the 67 required to remove the President from office. The result will be the wholesale undermining of the institutions in the US, and the country continuing to tear itself apart - of which Masterbagger and Vertigo being at such loggerheads is a perfect example.

The Russians are laughing their arses off. Possibly the most successful bang for buck intelligence operation in history?

[Vertigo 7]

If this was a regular Jo Schmoe criminal case the defendant would be found guilty in a nanosecond (all seventeen witnesses, including those called by the Republicans, have confirmed the same thing, and the defendant has admitted it). But it's not, it's a political process. Articles of impeachment will be drawn up by the Judiciary Committee and sent to the Senate, where McConnell will either put them in a drawer and forget about them, or it will go to a partisan vote and they won't achieve the 67 required to remove the President from office. The result will be the wholesale undermining of the institutions in the US, and the country continuing to tear itself apart - of which Masterbagger and Vertigo being at such loggerheads is a perfect example.

The Russians are laughing their arses off. Possibly the most successful bang for buck intelligence operation in history?

I'd agree. Putin found the perfect mark in Trump. If the Trumpanzies weren't so blind to that, we wouldn't be where we are today.

Putin knew the moment his agents made contact with the Trump campaign, he had his puppet. How could he not? Trump has always been more than willing to play fast and loose with the law to get what he wants even before his candidacy announcement and has yet to ever admit he has ever been in the wrong. Even going so far as during his campaign to ask Russia to hack the DNC, which they attempted to do so the very next day! Even if Trump got caught, which he did, Putin knew Trump wouldn't ever admit guilt, which he didn't. Fast forward a couple of years, Trump again falls victim to Putin by buying into this Ukrainian election meddling story.

Rudy Colludy with Parnas and Fruman, and now apparently, Congressman Nunes, met with ousted prosecutor Shokin last year to begin these "investigations" into Biden and the DNC and spread the disinformation campaign of Ambassador Yovanovitch. Trump, then citing this story as fact, pushes for these investigations and uses the power of the WH as a bargaining chip to get a public announcement of these investigations, all so he could go on the campaign trail and say "See, even Ukraine says Sleepy Joe is Crooked Joe! Someone oughta lock him up!"

In his tenure as President, in no certain order, Trump has succeeded in throwing the UN and NATO into chaos, much to the delight of Putin. Further destabilize Syria, much to the delight of Putin. Weaken Ukraine's ability to negotiate peace with Russia from a position of strength, much to the delight of Putin. And drive a big f'n wedge between his base and the rest of the country, much to the delight of Putin. Pelosi had it dead on. "All roads with you (Trump) lead to Putin."

I refuse to concede to Russia.

[RegisterMe]

Churchill - Franklin, you know we're in a war against these nasty Nazis. Please could we buy some destroyers from you?
Roosevelt - Sure, but could you do me a favour though?
Churchill - What's that?
Roosevelt - This fella Dewey is rotten, would you announce publicly that you're investigating him?
Churchill - ......

EDIT:-

FDR gets rumbled and admits it. All witnesses confirm that it went down this way.

And the collective Dem Representative / Senatorial response is "Nothing to see here".

[Vertigo 7]

Churchill - Franklin, you know we're in a war against these nasty Nazis. Please could we buy some destroyers from you?
Roosevelt - Sure, but could you do me a favour though?
Churchill - What's that?
Roosevelt - This fella Dewey is rotten, would you announce publicly that you're investigating him?
Churchill - ......

Aren't you glad that's not the way things turned out? lol

I think now the debate is whether Trump is a willing puppet of Putin or is he just that stupid? Is Putin black mailing Trump into all of the things he's doing to aid Russia or is he so inept he's unable to fathom the repercussions of his actions?