About our ongoing work - Patches, Updates, Bugfixing on X Rebirth

[jeroll3d]

Are you serious " huge success " I am playing on a new PC and there is very little wrong in the way of bugs, the problem is the game itself . Did you not think that the high number of people playing is just because they, myself included are trying to get something for their money .

I hate the game so far and I am a huge fan of X series, I am one of the " 10,000 active users on Steam " I wish I never bought the game, I have forced myself to play it in the fading hope I might find something I do like .

Here is some stuff I hate about your big success story

1- The stations are total copy and paste garbage when you land .
2- The NPC's are horrible to interact with .
3- The trade ships just follow you and never go to the commanded area, my trade ship has 6 destinations on it and will not go to any .
4- I was trying drop cargo, you cant .
5- No external view of ship .
6- No nearest target, I would let you off with that since it was on your list but there is no reason why the game should not have launched with the feature .
7- My character must have a neck brace on because he cant move his head .
8- Having to manually go to trade locations so you can tell your ship to go there ( genius )
9- The target reticule is massive and obstructs view of enemy ships .
10- The text in many areas of the game is tiny and unreadable .
11- Pressing multiple number comands to do simple stuff .
12- The cockpit is useless, it should have had interactions on it for easy access to menus etc by clicking mouse on them .
13- The Map is terrible and is of no use whatsoever .
14- The main character and the chicks voice acting is horrible .
15- No weapons menu .
16- No cargo on your own ship .
17- Horrid tutorial that explains nothing, well nothing that makes sense in game on first play .
18- Not being able to change ship .
19- The much hyped drones suck, I will have the capital ships back any day of the week .
20- Trading full stop .
21- I doubt I will ever manage to " Build trade fight think " in this dissaster of a game .
22- The fact it is clearly made for next gen console, or at least last gen and you failed and repackaged it for us .
23- Zero respect for the people who pay your wages, yes us the hardcore X fans .
24- 20+ hours in and not a single thing interesting to do outside the campaigne .
25- No idea whats even happening in the campaign .
26- STUPID way to start the game .
27- Severed many interesting races from previous games .
28- I waited for this for years and want to delete it the same weekend I bought it .
29- The lanes suck .
30- No seta or jumpdrive .
31- No radar
32- I target ships in combat and the game untargets it randomly .
33- No way to commands at all, follow me really that's it ?
34- The lanes take too long to travel and hitching a ride on them is rubbish, who wants an extremely close view of the back of a ship ?
35- The chat option with NPC's .......... who thought that up, it is a joke .
36- I find a place that sells something good, am I supposed to remember all the items by memory ???
37- The sound crackles all the time .
38- The whole setting feels totally empty, not to look at but 95% of stuff in view is just a empty shell that offers nothing to gameplay .
39- The vents are in the exact same location of every area .
40- The vents offer nothing to add to the game .
41- No space suit or eject .
42- All the weapons I have used so far are lame .
43- The PMC can attack you anywhere and are unpunished, unlike the player .
44- The game sucks .
45- The game is very boring and tedious .
46- I have engaged even large ships and have never even came close to getting killed .
47- The enemy ships fly at very slow speeds while hugging stations .
48- The AI is poor and offers no challenge .
49- Have I already stated I have no idea whats going on .
50- The stupid videos that are forced on you started while I was in combat and the enemy ship almost killed me .


I could go on and on, I fear I will never get even half of the things I want added to this game but if I do not get some of it I will never buy anything from you again, I have purchased ALL of the previous titles and spent a lot of money supporting you and this is how you thank me and all the other core gamers . I am £40 out of pocket and to be honest I could not care one bit about the cash, I am devastated the game I waited so long for has been butchered in this way .

I will be willing to bet the 10,000 active users is nowhere near as high in a weeks time .

I can only totally sign this !

This game is like a Chuck Norris Roundhouse-Kick in the face, followed by a kick in the nuts by Jet Li, while Vladimir Punin steals your wallet !

Bernd, time to correct the history. Sorry, i'm a long time fan X-games, but this game need patchs.

i belive in solutions

FIRST and fast

a - litle's patchs and fast, to maintence interesse in game and forum

- correct several bugs
- increase scripts to ALL ships, like x3 R/TC/AP;
- more options to view.

[fisiu]

Piep,

First of all stop accusing people of having mental disorders, if you would be able to diagnose people just on some posts you truly are Dr. House x 1000. I am not a programmer or game developer but I am a MD, currently touring psychiatry. People react this way because of disappointment, some more harsh then others, some more childish then others, some with more humor then others. This is a internet forum, not a formal place irl, people react differently and vent their feelings more freely and with other words on the internet.

Yes you are right I can not make a game ,not even Space Invaders, cause I do not have that skillset, I choose another path in life than "computing". However I do have ideas and wishes on how I would like things to be for this game to be great. Unfortunately I can't implement these cause I'm not employed by Egosoft or have the skills necessary to make mods.

However, I am a customer, I paid money for this product so I have all right to complain (hell I don't even ask for a refund cause I think that is an exaggeration, I bought it on pre-purchase it's my own fault). I payed money for a product that is bad so I have the right to complain and I want to point this out and hopefully play the game in the future. I do not want to turn around and walk out the door. The X games were great and I wish to have a say so that maybe things turn out to be better in the future even though I barely have time to play the game like I once used to.

The "do it better yourself statement" is simply idiotic, IM NOT A PROGRAMMER. However, from professional experience, I can tell you that your statement regarding disorders is without grounds, a blatent insult to all the people that actually do have them and to the people on these forums. Sure people might be childish, harsh or use foul words in describing how crap this game is and attack Egosoft but in the end you turn out to sound more like a smartass douche then all the other people here ranting because of disappoinment over the butchering of the hopes they had for an awsome game after such a long time waiting.

[FlightJunkie]

guys, guys, guys, it could be worse, as in legend of pegasus worse. that game was broken as hell. the dev closed down without any hope of the game ever being fixed and no refunds were given by Kalypso(as far as I know).

then we have BF4. broken on release as well, and no one batted an eye.


EGOSOFT can and will fix Rebirth. As far as ui goes, I have noticed that the engine is flexible enough to allow changes of this sort to happen.

And no im not an EGOSOFT fanboy, I just follow the darn company for enough time to know how things turn out. the games are fixed and there is an awful lot of new stuff to be added in the long run.

So, STOP acting like this never happened before!

[Nailo Var]

Tell me please about how you get a refund.

I have been playing this for about 14 hours now and the entire time I have to keep telling myself. "Pretty soon it will be fun, there has to be some complexity somewhere... Maybe if I get through some of this campaign it will open up more." Well its not, its just not. I really wish you could just pull the "X" off this title all together because you have failed to achieve such a game. I look at this list of 50 things and think, "Yea, if you fixed everything on that list you would have a decent game."

I loved the X games for their complexity, I don't want anything simplified. If anything I was hoping for more complexity and more options. Instead I am left with a buggy mess that has been so simplified that everything looks the same and I am forever stuck in the universes lamest ship.

Which I am sorry but the "single ship" idea has to be your worst idea ever. I don't want to fly an Argon ship forever (let alone an asymmetric piece of junk), I was always eager to move on to another race when I started a new game in the previous titles. In my last X3 game I eagerly pushed the Argon to extinction and my Split flying empire spanned the galaxy.... and I would give up this lousy Skunk (which is an apt description except skunks look better) for a Split anything any day.

Like many other of your long time fans I can scarcely describe my disappointment. I will just leave it at this; I bought copies of Reunion, Terran Conflict and Abelon Prelude, and then when a steam sale came around and I didn't know where I put my disks I said "oh well Id pay that again" and downloaded the games again. Well after this I have gone from a fan who would buy the game twice over to someone who may never buy another X game again. Now I am off to relive the glory of a good X game and fly something that isn't a "Skunk".

[Xuro]

9000 of these people are pulling their hair because they pre ordered this game and want their money back.. that's your success right there.

[Hornet108]

Yeah this is the last time I trust egosoft.

And the last time I pre-order as well I think

[Steve Zodiac]

Crikey. It's getting hard to even walk around here due to all the dummy\soother\pacifiers being spat out!

[Libertine]

Crikey. It's getting hard to even walk around here due to all the dummy\soother\pacifiers being spat out!

[nnndoh]

Can all the negative posters all over this forum reunite in just one topic? and leave this for news about patches?
its becoming annoying to read only negative things while i have a blast with this game, never had it with X2 and X3 wich is in my opinion a copy past sectors ( planet , station, 4 portals ) game
This game has potentional.

[Alewx]

Can all the negative posters all over this forum reunite in just one topic? and leave this for news about patches?
its becoming annoying to read only negative things while i have a blast with this game, never had it with X2 and X3 wich is in my opinion a copy past sectors ( planet , station, 4 portals ) game
This game has potentional.

Potential at looting boxes around in the same stations? Yeah you are right.
I can't see a glimpse of potential, and devs know that, so they hide far away from any customercontact.
7 years of development and it needs mods to fix the game? People where do you live? It is a massive fail if there are mods needed for a game to get it alive after 7 years.
Not only for core gamers but also for anyone that is not just there for playing dump minigames that shall keep players without longtime motivation in fromt of the screen!

[Vi Linus]

Ok so Ive read through this thread and several others on this board and Steam forums and I can't help but feel there's an elephant in the room that many people, while pointing out a myriad of missteps made by X Rebirth, are missing. I think I can distill almost all of our frustrations to do with the game down into three words; the games boring.

Bugs and a crappy UI are things that X fans are obviously willing to either endure or overlook. Hell, we've even done a fairly decent job of fixing them for you over the years. The boring thing tho that's something that can't be worked around and cant be avoided.

Rather than just saying the game is boring with nothing to support the claim lets take a hopefully brief look at why that's so. Let's look at what we would be doing in order to play this game for say 100 hours and what the fruit of our labors might be. The things that we can accomplish in this game fall into 3 main categories; we can upgrade our ship, we can build and own more ships or we can build factory complexes. With regard to this it isn't important if this game is an X game or not, these are the underlying goals of almost every space game. I suppose it could be said that you can explore the universe as well but Id consider that a part of pursuing those other core goals, the tedium involved in just flying around sector to sector looking for something interesting to interact with is so obvious that I wont bother to address it any further.

Lets look at ship upgrades first. The boredom here comes from the ho hum nature of the range of upgrades on offer. Not only does every mechanic seem to have a minimal variation in the things they offer, the range of things you can get for your ship is at best dreary. While we may be able to get a shield that's slightly stronger or an an engine that's slightly faster the ship upgrades don't offer very much at all in the way of increased functionality for the ship. Drones offer a very slight increase in the range of options available to us as a player but its nothing like enough of a carrot to engage a player over a long period. Although I realize this game is supposed to be different to other games in the X series I'm still willing to point out that in other games there was a real sense of accomplishment and freedom that went with getting your first docking computer or jumpdrive, you were free in a way that you hadn't been previously. Not to mention your first autonomous trade ship or your first M6, whatever. The path of incremental upgrades in most space games is pretty long, never mind the X series where it was enormous. I just don't feel that here, Rebirth has an upgrade path not much bigger than Elites in 1986 and that game was 22k.

So we're not engaged by ship upgrades, we may buy them out of spare change we have lying around but its not going to keep us going for a hundred hours. All that's left then is buying ships and buying stations. So lets have a look at where that might lead us. Basically we can do two things with ships and stations we can fight or we can trade. Say we do stick it out and end up with 100 factories spread over various stations selling various goods. Currently the only way we can sell our goods is to Mary Had A Little Lamb our trade ships to stations that we've previously scouted in order to get a good price, or we can just become a price taker so that we set the prices quite low and hope enough NPC tradeships buy them enough times to make the cost of the factories worth the investment over a very long time, neither prospect sounds especially inviting. Manually trading might be ok for a couple of hours at the start of a game to get yourself going but I'm pretty sure you'd have to admit that as a whole game this is going to get really tedious really fast. Just flying around looking for sales bringing the capital ship, waiting for it to load, telling it to go to the target market, waiting for it to turn up and sell then doing it all over and over again just isn't gameplay. Back to the main point, its incredibly boring. So far as playing more of the game goes, as far as factories are concerned the reward for building them is more of this tedium whereas in previous titles where things were able to be automated the reward was less tedium, enabling each player to concentrate on the part of the game they enjoyed the most, be it micromanaging all these factories and ships or fighting and gaining rep, whatever. Moreover because you cant automate things you cant be dealing with the micromanagement of your "empire" while most of this takes place since even your own ship isn't able to fly itself to even the simplest of destinations.

Well were not really excited about building factories so that leaves us the last thing we can do which is to build more ships that we cant fly. In X3:AP we might have spent 95% of our time in the Hyperion once we got it but the universe felt a lot bigger when we had the opportunity to jump in a Deimos or a transport or even a pleasure cruiser when the mission reward was worth the effort. There may not have been much reason to be standing on the bridge of an M1 or M2 not flying it really just barking out orders but it gave the game an extra dimension, an extra possibility for imaginative scope in a universe that did, admittedly, tend towards the spreadsheet. Rebirth missions just feel railed because it doesn't feel like we're working towards anything interesting. We can buy more combat ships in order to complete more difficult combat missions, leading to exactly the same series of events over again. In this scenario we aren't building the space empire that these games thrive on we're just building a gang. At the core of most space games the player is able to take the universe they're given and to some extent tame it, to make some degree of order out of chaos, in this case the disinterest arises because we can't get control of the enemies that spawn from station missions because they're infinite. I think tho the combat side of Rebirth is its strongest element, Ill even go so far to say that if the framerate drops were patched and the controls fixed this part of the game would be acceptable as far as ship on ship fighting goes. Still your ability to control your other ships and to customize your own ship is still severely lacking.

I'm actually really sorry that my first post on these forums is a negative one after being an absolute fan of Egosoft games for a really long time now. I feel that I just turned up to whine and jump on the bandwagon at the last minute. This post does however contain my honest opinion of the game so far and I am in my own way trying to help out. I think there's a couple of things here that may be true of the development of the game, firstly I think after working on the game for such a long time the devs have gotten too close to the project and couldn't see it through the consumers eyes anymore. Unfortunately though there's also the side of the story told by the complete lack of reviews of the game. Still, as of writing this post the only available reviews of the game are Metacritic user reviews, to anyone who's been around gaming for a while this speaks volumes. It means that the developers haven't provided any review copies at all, in this case not one. Sadly all that's to be gleaned from this is that Ego didn't want this game reviewed because they knew what the result would be, they knew on some level that even the mediocre "great success" that was launch day would have been a little different had they provided the review copies that would usually have been sent out. I also think the OP in this thread is somewhat of a mistake, it makes Bernd look like nothing so much as a Rumplestiltskin figure rubbing his hands together over his gold. To tell the consumers that a small financial success for the company is good enough in the face of the tide of disappointment in this thread is insensitive at best.

Finally if I could be so bold as to offer Egosoft a piece of advice. A wise man has said in this thread already that its never too late to stop spending money on a bad idea. Sad to say this game is such a complete turkey that I don't think its worth the development time it would take to add enough content to the game to make it a truly engaging and fascinating game for long term play. Instead tonight take the team out to a bar, thank them for the effort they've made, go to bed plastered and wake up in the morning with a throbbing head and announce X4, you might be surprised how fast all is forgiven.

[diistor]

(double post, ignore this)

[diistor]

4) Performance improvements: It seems ironic that most customers who are particularly dissatisfied with performance are those with the fastest computers. This may partly be because we made no special attempt to optimise for fast PCs. It even seems as though the most extreme high-end PCs barely have higher framerates than mid-range ones. We will be tackling this issue aggresively and will be stocking up on high end hardware for tests, to try out things like SLI and hex-core systems. Of course optimisations will also benefit other systems. Tips for configuration are in my post on the Steam forum and in the Egosoft Support forum.

Mid range graphic cards (this includes high end models with an "M" for mobility at the end.):

I am seeing a lot of people with such mid range graphic cards running the game in very high resolutions and high graphic settings. On these systems it is str[/b]ongly suggested to reduce those settings that affect the fillrate. Either run the game with NO AA, and shaders set to LOW or set the resolution to 720p. In addition we suggest to turn of shadows for the time being on such systems.

RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
Ž Graphics: Nvidia GT500 series with 1GB RAM or better,
ATI 5870HD with 1GB RAM or better

You need to open your eyes on the perf issues we, players, are facing. First of all:
- Some players (including me) have fairly decent (like high end laptop 675MX / 680M) to very high end graphic cards like 680/780GTX and have 15-20FPS in-game. I am not talking SLI or fancy unusual setups, but actual mainstream good hardware. Why do we experience such ****** framerates and why are you not talking about us in this post? Why can I play Metro LL or BF4 in high settings at 50+FPS in 1080p while I get 20-30FPS on X:Rebirth at the lowest settings in 720p?!

- Your game manual recommends a GT500 series, let's take a 560Ti, it's by today standards a mid-range graphic card so you say to put all available settings to minimum with such a card. Then why the hell is GT500 not in the MINIMAL requirements instead of the recommended ones? So what do we need to play the game confortably? I mean 50+FPS in high settings (maybe even no AA), what do we need? Tell us I'm curious. Or admit there is a performance bug to be fixed and not just some "optimisations to do that will benefit even the peasants".

[Viper_Magic]

Brief summary of this game? Maybe the starter of this thread thinks about it:

Intended to be a REBIRTH, turned out to be a STILLBIRTH...

Nuff said.

[giskard]

And so it begins....

To the sort of time frame Egosoft ALWAYS work too....

Nothing has surprised me so far, the release went as expected, the bugs where as expected, the patches are going to be as expected and Bernds reply is as expected.

One thing though, if Bernd was truly sorry for the problems in X Rebuild he would have adopted a better working practices prior to release, including a more efficient beta test system. One that works.. Like Steams Early Access so these issues could be reported and solved BEFORE release when the game is supposed to be stable.

[Zebasxx]

Hi UnclePauline, I agree with you. I just hope Egosoft open their eyes and fix this. I would like to have an X4 Rebirth, with all the features we had in previous games + all the new features you want and are in the Rebirth

Are you serious " huge success " I am playing on a new PC and there is very little wrong in the way of bugs, the problem is the game itself . Did you not think that the high number of people playing is just because they, myself included are trying to get something for their money .

I hate the game so far and I am a huge fan of X series, I am one of the " 10,000 active users on Steam " I wish I never bought the game, I have forced myself to play it in the fading hope I might find something I do like .

Here is some stuff I hate about your big success story

1- The stations are total copy and paste garbage when you land .
2- The NPC's are horrible to interact with .
3- The trade ships just follow you and never go to the commanded area, my trade ship has 6 destinations on it and will not go to any .
4- I was trying drop cargo, you cant .
5- No external view of ship .
6- No nearest target, I would let you off with that since it was on your list but there is no reason why the game should not have launched with the feature .
7- My character must have a neck brace on because he cant move his head .
8- Having to manually go to trade locations so you can tell your ship to go there ( genius )
9- The target reticule is massive and obstructs view of enemy ships .
10- The text in many areas of the game is tiny and unreadable .
11- Pressing multiple number comands to do simple stuff .
12- The cockpit is useless, it should have had interactions on it for easy access to menus etc by clicking mouse on them .
13- The Map is terrible and is of no use whatsoever .
14- The main character and the chicks voice acting is horrible .
15- No weapons menu .
16- No cargo on your own ship .
17- Horrid tutorial that explains nothing, well nothing that makes sense in game on first play .
18- Not being able to change ship .
19- The much hyped drones suck, I will have the capital ships back any day of the week .
20- Trading full stop .
21- I doubt I will ever manage to " Build trade fight think " in this dissaster of a game .
22- The fact it is clearly made for next gen console, or at least last gen and you failed and repackaged it for us .
23- Zero respect for the people who pay your wages, yes us the hardcore X fans .
24- 20+ hours in and not a single thing interesting to do outside the campaigne .
25- No idea whats even happening in the campaign .
26- STUPID way to start the game .
27- Severed many interesting races from previous games .
28- I waited for this for years and want to delete it the same weekend I bought it .
29- The lanes suck .
30- No seta or jumpdrive .
31- No radar
32- I target ships in combat and the game untargets it randomly .
33- No way to commands at all, follow me really that's it ?
34- The lanes take too long to travel and hitching a ride on them is rubbish, who wants an extremely close view of the back of a ship ?
35- The chat option with NPC's .......... who thought that up, it is a joke .
36- I find a place that sells something good, am I supposed to remember all the items by memory ???
37- The sound crackles all the time .
38- The whole setting feels totally empty, not to look at but 95% of stuff in view is just a empty shell that offers nothing to gameplay .
39- The vents are in the exact same location of every area .
40- The vents offer nothing to add to the game .
41- No space suit or eject .
42- All the weapons I have used so far are lame .
43- The PMC can attack you anywhere and are unpunished, unlike the player .
44- The game sucks .
45- The game is very boring and tedious .
46- I have engaged even large ships and have never even came close to getting killed .
47- The enemy ships fly at very slow speeds while hugging stations .
48- The AI is poor and offers no challenge .
49- Have I already stated I have no idea whats going on .
50- The stupid videos that are forced on you started while I was in combat and the enemy ship almost killed me .


I could go on and on, I fear I will never get even half of the things I want added to this game but if I do not get some of it I will never buy anything from you again, I have purchased ALL of the previous titles and spent a lot of money supporting you and this is how you thank me and all the other core gamers . I am £40 out of pocket and to be honest I could not care one bit about the cash, I am devastated the game I waited so long for has been butchered in this way .

I will be willing to bet the 10,000 active users is nowhere near as high in a weeks time .

[Lone Jedi]

Congrats on your huge success! People are screaming for refund on Steam Forum.

[funky_skunk]

Just wait until critic reviews start coming out on metacritic.Your huge success of a game will be absolutely ripped to pieces and you'll have no where to hide. You can fix as many bugs as you like, but it won't fix the mess of a game.

[Eagle22]

FlightJunkie





Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Location: Citadel station
Posted: Mon, 18. Nov 13, 11:30 Post subject:

guys, guys, guys, it could be worse, as in legend of pegasus worse. that game was broken as hell. the dev closed down without any hope of the game ever being fixed and no refunds were given by Kalypso(as far as I know).

then we have BF4. broken on release as well, and no one batted an eye.


EGOSOFT can and will fix Rebirth. As far as ui goes, I have noticed that the engine is flexible enough to allow changes of this sort to happen.

And no im not an EGOSOFT fanboy, I just follow the darn company for enough time to know how things turn out. the games are fixed and there is an awful lot of new stuff to be added in the long run.

So, STOP acting like this never happened before!


Dod do you know what you're saying this is not a X game at all.
EGOSOFT can and will fix Rebirth yes of course when in 10-20 years Forget it,
If only if they had not remove the mane tings form the game (like cap flaying ships and more ships to pick what you wanna drive) i be happy to play it. but with all the bus and so one it is not worth it to play it at all.

[Artean]

When can we expect the next patch?