About our ongoing work - Patches, Updates, Bugfixing on X Rebirth

[piep]

To be a lie in the first place, someone (devs) have to have had stated, in this case, they were trying to keep the game design of the previous versions. They didn't. They didn't ever told us they will try to do an X4. They told us several time they are merely keeping the lore.

Where is the lie?

Do you know how many star wars games are out there just to name an example? There are even several titles of star wars within the same genre and have completely other features, game mechanics, game design.

The point is that, when the creator of anything is telling you, that what he created is a freaking pink elephant, then it IS a pink elephant. There is no meaning in what you would like that pink elephant to be, even if before the same creator made a pink rhino.

Thus my point is: the creator has spoken and labeled its creation even before it was finish. He also told us it will be a damned pink elephant and not a pink rhino. He obviously is not trying this product to be like the old one (what developer in his sanity would try to do the same over and over), they are going for new ground. There is nothing more to be said here. It's crystal clear. Adapt or leave, like it or hate it, buy it or ignore it, enjoy it or trash it.

I can't believe how none of the "fans" even look at them selves for at least 1 minute after raging on the forums. If I create something for myself I am proud of and then comes someone who used to like stuff I did before it and tells me how horrendous is my last work compared to the olders is, although it would at first sadden me probably, I wouldn't go back and modify it and make it an upgrade of something already existent, no matter how often this (disrespectfully and unemphatic) person keeps whispering into my ear how he doesn't like it and it sucks and its design is the wrong way and i should have listened to my followers, and i suck again, and my shitworkd should be burned, and how do i dare to try creating something else by using the "Pink", it was all an advertisement trick! lair !, your work suck, why, why, why, why? - You get the drill right?

[piep]

piep... what are you so upset about?

You talk about other people having disorders. Look at you flipping your lid over people's opinions about how a game should have been developed.

Why don't you calm down and try not accusing people of having mental disorders when you're the only one showing signs so far .

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Hornet, good post. That's exactly it. How anyone can argue this is supposed to be something else is beyond me.

It is in many many ways the exact same type of space sim X3 was, just severely dumbed down.

There's nothing new there that makes it anything else or difference. You do the same things, except you can't because you're bogged down by 100 different problems.

Imagine SimCity 4. Now take away 3/4 of the customization options. Now take away the ability to pick what plot you can build on. Now take the interface and design it for consoles and an 8 key controller. Now take what's left and make it a lot flashier, more crowded, and put hardpoints on skyscrapers for Godzilla to smash.

That is X3 --> X:Rebirth essentially.

as you nicely noticed, hornet made valid points. I think i made them too, otherwise i wouldn't have got an answer from him. If you are not going to make any valid point but point at those who are not going into the van with you, please abstain from replying. Thank you kind sir.

[piep]

How can you say this is not X4 or ever designed to be WHEN THE GOD DAMN THING IS MARKETED EXACTLY THE SAME;

How? just the same way Bernd did it in this thread, first page. And the same way he did it during 3 years before the game was lauchend.

[Lone Jedi]

I suspect one or two people here are paid to counter-attack the fans. When the majority of the community attack the game developer, the most common way the developer's response is to hire someone (or pretend someone) to offer counter-attack. It happens so often in game forum.

The new account(s) that know everything here in the last seven years......

[piep]

I suspect one or two people here are paid to counter-attack the fans. When the majority of the community attack the game developer, the most common way the developer's response is to hire someone (or pretend someone) to offer counter-attack. It happens so often in game forum.

The new account(s)......

Or there are people who just aren't so sentimental affected by the deeds of Egosoft and therefore in a probably better position to understand what Bernd and his crew has been trying to tell us since day 1.

Regardless, I invite you to argue my points instead of talking about 9/11 and Obama being a reptilian, good friend.

Oh, you didn't even read what I wrote right? Ok here is the whole abstraction:

This thread has been made to report bugs, give game feedback regarding menus, performance, possible add ups and all the usual stuff. Not, and I repeat, by no means to talk about game design. That is up to the higher ones. Probably not even third party share holders here have a saying about it, let alone random forum dwellers.

Talking and telling Bernd his design is crap, he should have done it this and that way and should have stick to the previous game designs, jadda jadda is here nothing but a fish out of the water. Do you understand my point now?

If so, feel free to argue it.

[Hornet108]

Ok, bugs:
1: I cant order my ships to do anything, and when they are fired upon or when an enemy comes into range, they do not fire back or engage at all
2: I cant order my traders to do anything
3: I cant buy any ships at the ship yard because the stupid NPC bull is broken and it hasn't spawned a ship trader NPC
4: There is utterly no point to playing this game; All of your stuff is useless, the only ship you own that can do anything is your own ship, so why bother building an empire to spit out useless ships? You can fly around and look at the pretty graphics for a while and get in some dog fights, hooray, but once you get past that, there is nothing to do, no point to playing, and no reason to fire it back up.

[Lone Jedi]

I suspect one or two people here are paid to counter-attack the fans. When the majority of the community attack the game developer, the most common way the developer's response is to hire someone (or pretend someone) to offer counter-attack. It happens so often in game forum.

The new account(s)......

Or there are people who just aren't so sentimental affected by the deeds of Egosoft and therefore in a probably better position to understand what Bernd and his crew has been trying to tell us since day 1.

Regardless, I invite you to argue my points instead of talking about 9/11 and Obama being a reptilian, good friend.

Oh, you didn't even read what I wrote right? Ok here is the whole abstraction:

This thread has been made to report bugs, give game feedback regarding menus, performance, possible add ups and all the usual stuff. Not, and I repeat, by no means to talk about game design. That is up to the higher ones. Probably not even third party share holders here have a saying about it, let alone random forum dwellers.

Talking and telling Bernd his design is crap, he should have done it this and that way and should have stick to the previous game designs, jadda jadda is here nothing but a fish out of the water. Do you understand my point now?

If so, feel free to argue it.

I didn't say it's you, did I?

[piep]

I suspect one or two people here are paid to counter-attack the fans. When the majority of the community attack the game developer, the most common way the developer's response is to hire someone (or pretend someone) to offer counter-attack. It happens so often in game forum.

The new account(s)......

Or there are people who just aren't so sentimental affected by the deeds of Egosoft and therefore in a probably better position to understand what Bernd and his crew has been trying to tell us since day 1.

Regardless, I invite you to argue my points instead of talking about 9/11 and Obama being a reptilian, good friend.

Oh, you didn't even read what I wrote right? Ok here is the whole abstraction:

This thread has been made to report bugs, give game feedback regarding menus, performance, possible add ups and all the usual stuff. Not, and I repeat, by no means to talk about game design. That is up to the higher ones. Probably not even third party share holders here have a saying about it, let alone random forum dwellers.

Talking and telling Bernd his design is crap, he should have done it this and that way and should have stick to the previous game designs, jadda jadda is here nothing but a fish out of the water. Do you understand my point now?

If so, feel free to argue it.

I didn't say it's you, did I?

Uh oh, UH OH, You totally got me there mate.

[Ebyl Vampyre]

Oh lookie, someone that thinks people who criticize a game are not true fans, or whatever, of a studio. That's pretty funny. So is the idea that a person must be designing their own space simulation game to know what constitutes good and bad design decisions.

That's some serious derp right there. X Rebirth is fundamentally a bad game. Not just a bad X series game, but a bad game in general. A very bad game. Is it fixable? I don't know. It depends on how much time and money Egosoft is willing to put into reworking some of their terrible decisions with it. This goes far beyond bugs, glitches, and things not WAI. For most studios, such large investments do not make good business sense, especially for smallish studios like Egosoft.

[piep]

Oh lookie, someone that thinks people who criticize a game are not true fans, or whatever, of a studio. That's pretty funny. So is the idea that a person must be designing their own space simulation game to know what constitutes good and bad design decisions.

That's some serious derp right there. X Rebirth is fundamentally a bad game. Not just a bad X series game, but a bad game in general. A very bad game. Is it fixable? I don't know. It depends on how much time and money Egosoft is willing to put into reworking some of their terrible decisions with it. This goes far beyond bugs, glitches, and things not WAI. For most studios, such large investments do not make good business sense, especially for smallish studios like Egosoft.

Oh look, someone who didn't read the previous posts and jumped recklessly onto the field to call names, without even limiting himself to do that we were asked to do in this thread because his ego is so inflated , that none would wish you to be near a cactus, ever.

For the likes of you, as simple as it gets: you are not entitled ITT to critique the game design decisions. Bugs, performance issues, menu fixes, adds, clues, how-to and so on is all they wanted here.

1.You want your money back? go get it. Steam has a refund policy. Farewell.
2.You want to have influence on game design topics and corporate decisions? become a game designer and get hired by... someone or even become yourself a major shareholder.
3. You want to play a game the devs already designed and developed during 7 years with the minimal possible issues? report bugs, performance issues, menu problems, crashes, etc just like they asked us to do.

[Ebyl Vampyre]

I'm afraid you don't know how things work. Besides that, I don't believe I've called anyone a name. Pretty sad. I do think you should probably calm down if you want to actually get your points across, because even though they're misguided, you're not doing them any favors by flipping out like this.

We are more than entitled to comment on any aspect of the game, be it features, bugs, or poor design choices. We also do not need to be developing a game to do so, despite whatever belief you might have to the contrary. You might also be very surprised about just what some of us do for a living.

I will continue to criticize this game in a fair manner and offer my suggestions on what needs to be changed, ripped out, and reworked to make it even a passable game (as I have done in this thread and others). And I will continue to do so in a civilized manner. Thanks.

[SteveMill]

Piep, the problem with your arguement is that clearly this does TRY to be an X game at some level. You can still build stations, you can still have ships and traders (well, its broken, but you should be able to), you can still build fleets etc etc, its just all a bit more r******* then it used to be, and that's where the big lie is. It has a thin layer of X over the top, enough for them to sell it on, and enough to make it a huge lie. So no, I don't buy the argument that "they said this wasn't really an X game so stop whinging", because it is an X game, at some level, just an extremely ****** poor one.

If it's not an X Game why did I keep getting all those email newsletters about the new X game?

[squicker]

I posted this elsewhere, but to anyone reading here specifcally who is very unhappy with the game: I did get refunded by Steam this morning, PM me if you want details.

To those toughing it out, good luck, I hope you get what you want in the end.

To Egosoft: My love affair with X ends here, still it was a good 15 years or thereabouts.

[bast-tr-rc]

I absolutely agreed with you. I played x-series since 2000. This last "game" is so raw stuff that there are no polite words after testing for 7 hours....

[Skyman]

I am one of the "Oldies", and have been playing the X games since X2.
When they removed the cockpits in Reunion I was at first bitterly disappointed and held off buying the game, thinking that I would never enjoy it without the immersion of cockpits, but then I relented and after playing for a number of hours, came to love the game.

This thread has caused me to hold back from buying Rebirth, and I thank the community for being honest in their comments.
I probably will eventually buy the game, just because I have collected all the X Games, and because I must see for myself whether I could like it or not, as I did with Reunion.

I have no doubt that Egosoft will make every effort to make this a good game, but I will not buy it before they have had time to do so.

[dlryan]

I am one of the "Oldies", and have been playing the X games since X2.
When they removed the cockpits in Reunion I was at first bitterly disappointed and held off buying the game, thinking that I would never enjoy it without the immersion of cockpits, but then I relented and after playing for a number of hours, came to love the game.

This thread has caused me to hold back from buying Rebirth, and I thank the community for being honest in their comments.
I probably will eventually buy the game, just because I have collected all the X Games, and because I must see for myself whether I could like it or not, as I did with Reunion.

I have no doubt that Egosoft will make every effort to make this a good game, but I will not buy it before they have had time to do so.

Wait 6months to a year...maybe more..

It's pretty darn broken. And I'm not just talking bugs.

This game is currently a Ferrari with a Chevette engine.

It's dressed up nice and sexy, but underneath, it needs a complete overhaul. It has no meat, no bones, no balls.

I've yet to buy it, but I've given it a whirl for 4-6hours on my friends steam. It's utterly shocking, sad and...really it will leave you speechless how broken this is. It's also amazingly evident from the moment boot the game up, that this was built for a console.

[trondk]

Besides from the bugs, with is very irritating, and I’m not going to list them, there is a lot of people already listen them.
But I thing that logo Trade Fight Build Think, is wrong.
Its more Fight Trade Build and Think.
Where
Fight is 80%
Trade is 10 %
Build is 10 %
And
Think 0 %

I like the idear that you can use a “simple” trade interface to get things going, but the “think” part Is sadly gone.

You have killed Micro management in the game, by make the game “console” easy.

I liked the mix with fight, and don’t worry about trading, and the Think part with micromanagement in the old x games.

So to rate the game, I give it 50% out of 100%.

You have fixed the speed of the game, with is good( abouth time) , but at the expense of the trade, build and think part of the game.

The balance of the game is wrong, if you mean to support the idear of the old games on PC

The balance of the game is right if this is a space “sim” Fight console game

Yours
Tom Jensen

Ps
Next time you send something out, I like to sigt op as tester, the number of critical bugs in the campaign is to high.

I had thrown my girlfriend out of the building to play the game, only the have to replay parts of the complain again and again and hope that the bug didn’t reappear to crash it.

Don’t do that to me again, have you any idea what the price tag fore throwing my girlfriend out ?. 

[Warlord]

Are you serious " huge success " I am playing on a new PC and there is very little wrong in the way of bugs, the problem is the game itself . Did you not think that the high number of people playing is just because they, myself included are trying to get something for their money .

I hate the game so far and I am a huge fan of X series, I am one of the " 10,000 active users on Steam " I wish I never bought the game, I have forced myself to play it in the fading hope I might find something I do like .

Here is some stuff I hate about your big success story

1- The stations are total copy and paste garbage when you land .
2- The NPC's are horrible to interact with .
3- The trade ships just follow you and never go to the commanded area, my trade ship has 6 destinations on it and will not go to any .
4- I was trying drop cargo, you cant .
5- No external view of ship .
6- No nearest target, I would let you off with that since it was on your list but there is no reason why the game should not have launched with the feature .
7- My character must have a neck brace on because he cant move his head .
8- Having to manually go to trade locations so you can tell your ship to go there ( genius )
9- The target reticule is massive and obstructs view of enemy ships .
10- The text in many areas of the game is tiny and unreadable .
11- Pressing multiple number comands to do simple stuff .
12- The cockpit is useless, it should have had interactions on it for easy access to menus etc by clicking mouse on them .
13- The Map is terrible and is of no use whatsoever .
14- The main character and the chicks voice acting is horrible .
15- No weapons menu .
16- No cargo on your own ship .
17- Horrid tutorial that explains nothing, well nothing that makes sense in game on first play .
18- Not being able to change ship .
19- The much hyped drones suck, I will have the capital ships back any day of the week .
20- Trading full stop .
21- I doubt I will ever manage to " Build trade fight think " in this dissaster of a game .
22- The fact it is clearly made for next gen console, or at least last gen and you failed and repackaged it for us .
23- Zero respect for the people who pay your wages, yes us the hardcore X fans .
24- 20+ hours in and not a single thing interesting to do outside the campaigne .
25- No idea whats even happening in the campaign .
26- STUPID way to start the game .
27- Severed many interesting races from previous games .
28- I waited for this for years and want to delete it the same weekend I bought it .
29- The lanes suck .
30- No seta or jumpdrive .
31- No radar
32- I target ships in combat and the game untargets it randomly .
33- No way to commands at all, follow me really that's it ?
34- The lanes take too long to travel and hitching a ride on them is rubbish, who wants an extremely close view of the back of a ship ?
35- The chat option with NPC's .......... who thought that up, it is a joke .
36- I find a place that sells something good, am I supposed to remember all the items by memory ???
37- The sound crackles all the time .
38- The whole setting feels totally empty, not to look at but 95% of stuff in view is just a empty shell that offers nothing to gameplay .
39- The vents are in the exact same location of every area .
40- The vents offer nothing to add to the game .
41- No space suit or eject .
42- All the weapons I have used so far are lame .
43- The PMC can attack you anywhere and are unpunished, unlike the player .
44- The game sucks .
45- The game is very boring and tedious .
46- I have engaged even large ships and have never even came close to getting killed .
47- The enemy ships fly at very slow speeds while hugging stations .
48- The AI is poor and offers no challenge .
49- Have I already stated I have no idea whats going on .
50- The stupid videos that are forced on you started while I was in combat and the enemy ship almost killed me .


I could go on and on, I fear I will never get even half of the things I want added to this game but if I do not get some of it I will never buy anything from you again, I have purchased ALL of the previous titles and spent a lot of money supporting you and this is how you thank me and all the other core gamers . I am £40 out of pocket and to be honest I could not care one bit about the cash, I am devastated the game I waited so long for has been butchered in this way .

I will be willing to bet the 10,000 active users is nowhere near as high in a weeks time .

I can only totally sign this !

This game is like a Chuck Norris Roundhouse-Kick in the face, followed by a kick in the nuts by Jet Li, while Vladimir Punin steals your wallet !

[Warlord]

Tell me please about how you get a refund.

[Scott Broadribb]

Bernd,

This game is not a success to be proud of. Bugs in an early stage of the game can be forgiven (mind you there are a bucket load of them).

The terrible design of this game cannot be forgiven.

I'm a huge fan of the X series but this is a massive disappointment.

I wasted $49 and a lot of anticipation.

I have already uninstalled this disaster and have no wish to waste anymore time on it.