X-Rebirth, growing fears…

[Rabiator der II.]

There are no plans to command your ships from an observation bridge. You can dock on capital ships just like you can dock on stations but this is not for commanding. Commanding ships happens by talking to pilots via intercomm. When trading for example, you collect offers on stations and they are then added to a special menu which allows you to filter for what you want. Now whenever you enter this menu you are in a conversation with a pilot of the ship you want to transport these wares and the commanding happens by sending him the offers you want to pick.

Well, this settles it for me then. I cannot understand why every new game has to be a "twitch" game. Twitch in regard of using nimble ships with quick reaction needed. Twitch in regard of short attention span. Not being able to wait until your TP ship crossed a mere 60km sector to get to the next.

Since the majority seems to feel different then me, I wish EGO best of luck with their new product. I will not be buying it and I know it is not the end of the world for them and that's a good thing.

This is not a rant. I am just curios as to why this is happening all over the place. I invested easily 1000+ hours in X2 and X3. I like to build an empire and I like to command it from a bridge of a ship. A Flagship. And not a nutshell. It is immersive and feels empowering.

- Entering Xenon Sector 534 -
My M2, the Agamemnon (yes I am a sucker for B5) enters the system. I feel severely outgunned.

At a push of a button the Fleet, my Fleet, arrives.

After 30 minutes of furious fighting Xenon Sector 534 is under my control.

What shall I say, I really like big guns and I cannot lie

That's the same thing with Train Simulator and Silent Hunter (III) and why I like to play them. The big machinery and it's slow movement really gives a sense of proportion.

I am sad to see commanding capital ships go here, but I guess Bernd has good reasons for his decisions and I hope X Rebirth will have the success Ego's hard work entitles them to.

Meanwhile I'll wait for a decent battleship simulator be it on water or in space, where I can make decisions, plan ahead and seem them work out or not., without twitching....

fly safe

I guess the lack of multiple flyable ships in general (and capital ships in particular) is a matter of limited development resources at Egosoft. So they went for the thing they thought most people would enjoy and dropped the rest for now. But I think it might be a good idea to keep an eye on updates and mods. I think there is a good chance that some "missing" features show up in a 2.0 version or a mod by the end of 2014.

I'm also skeptical about buying the 1.0 version, because in several ways Rebirth seems a bit too "mainstream" and simplified for now. But I hope it will blossom back into a decent sandbox, so it is likely that I might get into Rebirth at a later time. .

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

You can dock at a capital ship and you can walk around. There is even some kind of "observation deck", from where you can observe what´s going outside.

The only thing we need is to be able to open the intercomm while standing on that observation deck. (AKA commanding a battleship from inside). Iam pretty sure that you ARE able to communicate with captain of the battleship in which you are.

[Kittens David]

You can dock at a capital ship and you can walk around. There is even some kind of "observation deck", from where you can observe what´s going outside.

The only thing we need is to be able to open the intercomm while standing on that observation deck. (AKA commanding a battleship from inside). Iam pretty sure that you ARE able to communicate with captain of the battleship in which you are.

FALSE FALSE FALSE !!!!

Bernnd said it. Nothing like that. All you can do is bring the skunk close to a capital ship and be taken into its gravity well so the skunk will stabilize itself alongside the biger ship but nothing more. you are not on the capital you still are sitting in the skunk cockpit.

There are no plans to command your ships from an observation bridge. You can dock on capital ships just like you can dock on stations but this is not for commanding. Commanding ships happens by talking to pilots via intercomm. When trading for example, you collect offers on stations and they are then added to a special menu which allows you to filter for what you want. Now whenever you enter this menu you are in a conversation with a pilot of the ship you want to transport these wares and the commanding happens by sending him the offers you want to pick.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

YOU ARE FALSE FALSE FALSE
One of my steam friends has already the test version of X Rebirth, I asked him some questions. YOU CAN WALK AROUND CAPITAL SHIPS.

[Kittens David]

YOU ARE FALSE FALSE FALSE
One of my steam friends has already the test version of X Rebirth, I asked him some questions. YOU CAN WALK AROUND CAPITAL SHIPS.

As Bernnd said you can dock and walk in like if it was a station but there is no command bridge, no observation bridge from witch you can command them. All you can do is commanded them through interface while sitting in the skunk cockpit.

[Kittens David]

YOU ARE FALSE FALSE FALSE
One of my steam friends has already the test version of X Rebirth, I asked him some questions. YOU CAN WALK AROUND CAPITAL SHIPS.

As Bernnd said you can dock and walk in like if it was a station but there is no command bridge, no observation bridge from witch you can command them. All you can do is commanded them through interface while sitting in the skunk cockpit.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

Observation deck is there for sure. A simple room with a window. That´s all.

And about Bernd... when dudes asked him if player is able to use that intercomm while aboard the capital ship, he said that he doesnt know and that he has to try it himself (no answer yet).

I know one thing: they will add a "RTS-like tactical interface", but later after release, via patch. You will be able to use it from the board of Skunk and from the deck of capital ship definitely.

So we have to hope that player is able to talk with captain about orders from the deck of capital ship.
If not, then I will have to leave the capital ship, enter Skunk, undock, give a command, then dock again. That sounds totally dumb.

[triplecrownroyal]

Observation deck is there for sure. A simple room with a window. That´s all.

And about Bernd... when dudes asked him if player is able to use that intercomm while aboard the capital ship, he said that he doesnt know and that he has to try it himself (no answer yet).

I know one thing: they will add a "RTS-like tactical interface", but later after release, via patch. You will be able to use it from the board of Skunk and from the deck of capital ship definitely.

So we have to hope that player is able to talk with captain about orders from the deck of capital ship.
If not, then I will have to leave the capital ship, enter Skunk, undock, give a command, then dock again. That sounds totally dumb.

It has already been said that while you are in first person walking mode if you come across the window you will not see action out through it. They simply do not have the resources to do window facing and simulate OOS calculations into graphics for you while you walk.

Also they have no command bridge and has been stated over and over that walking around a capital and commanding one are two different things. Wishful thinking at best but don't try and convince people of features that are not there.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

Who was speaking about command bridge? I mentioned only observation deck.

And you can already see in some videos, where the player walks around station, that you can see whats happening outside.

[stilgarpl]

YOU ARE FALSE FALSE FALSE
One of my steam friends has already the test version of X Rebirth, I asked him some questions. YOU CAN WALK AROUND CAPITAL SHIPS.

Aren't you getting your friend in trouble? He probably signed NDA...

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

You can in fact even land on these beasts and get out of your playership to meet NPCs while watching the large ship move around in space FROM the deck of the ship!

IS ACTUALLY A COMMON KNOWN INFORMATION. Why doesn´t anybody read the stickies??? Omfg.

[Alci]

And you can already see in some videos, where the player walks around station

I don't think I've seen that and I'm looking for it all the time. But all videos indicates that space and walking are two modes. You never walk while in space. Even on Skunk it's just animation until doors behind you are closed and then you cannot see what's outside. Never saw window. In truth I also think that "outside" is OOS now and is not simulated as it is while you are in cockpit. Furthermore I believe that dock and undock immediately will "change" the universe. So you will see different fights, different filler ships etc.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

You can in fact even land on these beasts and get out of your playership to meet NPCs while watching the large ship move around in space FROM the deck of the ship!

IS ACTUALLY A COMMON KNOWN INFORMATION. Why doesn´t anybody read the stickies??? Omfg.

And you can already see in some videos, where the player walks around station

I don't think I've seen that and I'm looking for it all the time. But all videos indicates that space and walking are two modes. You never walk while in space. Even on Skunk it's just animation until doors behind you are closed and then you cannot see what's outside. Never saw window. In truth I also think that "outside" is OOS now and is not simulated as it is while you are in cockpit. Furthermore I believe that dock and undock immediately will "change" the universe. So you will see different fights, different filler ships etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNs1rdSk ... n1FVRsDYGw
check the video and focus on 0:25, you can even see a station, highway and a planet in background. There are some freight transporters at the right side of the screen, too. Also search for different videos, the background always changes, its definitely not a "wallpaper".

Furthermore I believe that dock and undock immediately will "change" the universe. So you will see different fights, different filler ships etc.

^^^^Now Iam not sure if you are r******* or just dumb. Every ship in the universe is a physical ship, they are not randomly placed. Everything is manufactured and built from resources, and lives. By docking on a station, nothing will change in the universe.
Same as in previous games, if you leave a sector, life doesnt stop, but it continues without your presence. The whole universe lives, even though you are away.

[triplecrownroyal]

Earth, I see a looping filler video that probably changes based on what station or place you are at, but certainly do not see the ability to watch fights happen outside the window after you have docked and got out.

What you are asking for would be a coders nightmare, something to the tune of directional awareness from two separate parts of the game and a ton of specialized graphics scaling and interaction placed inside a ever changing window size based on where you are standing. It was discussed before, I don't have time to find it, and it was even discussed over on SC forums. Neither game will have the ability to see the actual happenings of the universe from a window of a station.

We understand that you are excited for Rebirth, and I am happy for you. But don't misinform others based on your zeal.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

A quote from Bernd himself:

You can in fact even land on these beasts and get out of your playership to meet NPCs while watching the large ship move around in space FROM the deck of the ship!

Do you want to say that Bernd is misinforming the community?
Do you have any proofs that it isn´t true? No you don´t.

And there is absolutely no reason to make it the nightmare of coders.
You wanted to say that its a nightmare of optimalisation, didnt you?

When you leave the Skunk, it will load the interior, during the door animation. It´s just another piece of textures and characters. Most probably, the render distance or level of detail of the outer space will be smaller while being inside of station.

And have a look at the system requirements of that game. Pretty high. Probably the highest system requirements I remember so far, from the gaming world.

The reason for high requirements is the fact that the whole universe is living, every ship, every station is doing something at each moment.

And what do you know, maybe the "door" animation is actually un-loading the cockpit, and loading the station interior? It´s NOT a coder nightmare. Only optimalisation is quite risky, requires some experience.

[Shootist]

Earth, I see a looping filler video that probably changes

You see incorrectly.

[Imari]

Observation deck is there for sure. A simple room with a window. That´s all.

And about Bernd... when dudes asked him if player is able to use that intercomm while aboard the capital ship, he said that he doesnt know and that he has to try it himself (no answer yet).

I know one thing: they will add a "RTS-like tactical interface", but later after release, via patch. You will be able to use it from the board of Skunk and from the deck of capital ship definitely.

So we have to hope that player is able to talk with captain about orders from the deck of capital ship.
If not, then I will have to leave the capital ship, enter Skunk, undock, give a command, then dock again. That sounds totally dumb.

The RTS interface really piques my interest. This will probably be the most welcomed and game changing addition to X Rebirth. I sure hope "later" means a few days after release.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

Earth, I see a looping filler video that probably changes

You see incorrectly.

And check out the profile of tripleclown:
Registered 18. 8. 1013
And has no X games registered at his profile.

Seriously? THis dude is talking about coding of X Rebirth. But its actually a newcomer to the X series.

Really now. Egosoft wanted to make the game open for more people, but as it looks like, it brings only assh0l€s to the forums. Who are not going to buy the game anyway.

[stilgarpl]

Earth, I see a looping filler video that probably changes

You see incorrectly.

And check out the profile of that guy:
Registered 18. 8. 1013
And has no X games registered at his profile.

It proves nothing. I've been playing X games for 4 years before registering here. I've been playing Europa Universalis for 10 years before registering on Paradox forum.
This guy could be playing since X-BTF, you don't know that.

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

I actually know, his words prove that he is a newcomer.

When you docked at a station in X2 or even X:BTF, the outer world was still moving.
Why should it be different in X Rebirth?


Plus that video totally proves it. Even Bernd´s quote proves it.

When you can be inside of a capital ship, watching the outer action, why cant you do it inside of a station too? Its practically the very same thing, but capital ship is moving.