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[Bobucles]

All that matters is that 2 humans must fit in the cockpit and that requires a set minimum amount of space.

Says who? Modern tiny planes and ships only have room for 1 pilot, and much larger ships have bridges that can hold half a dozen crew or more. The minimal requirements for a bridge depend ENTIRELY on the class of vessel that is being discussed.

When you get past the radiation, altitude, industrial infrastructure, difficulty of movement, and intense freezing vacuum, cargo space in a space ship is cheaper than cargo space in a submarine. The reason is structural, and Prof. Farnsworth put it best. A space ship only HAS to maintain structural integrity from 0-1 atmospheres, and it doesn't even have to worry about it for unpressurized chambers. A submarine has to hold up to hundreds of PSI at the least, and the requirements easily shoot up to thousands or more.

A submarine HAS to be built like a fortress, with cramped quarters and heavy beams everywhere. A space ship can be built more like an airplane.

[AkrionXxarr]

Says who?

Says the fact that you couldn't fit 2 humans inside a soda bottle? I'm not even sure exactly what you're going on about but I'm guessing you didn't understand what I was saying or you're quoting the wrong thing.

If you have to make room for 2 people, there is minimum volume required to fit them. If you get any smaller than that minimum it'll either be physically impossible to fit said people, or you'll have to go through increasingly exteme measures to make them fit. The ship's cockpit can't be smaller than what is absolutely needed to fit 2 people, so the smallest possible size the cockpit can be while still seating 2 people means that the ship's over-all size must be at least large enough to satisfy this requirement.

[Nanook]

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A submarine HAS to be built like a fortress, with cramped quarters and heavy beams everywhere. A space ship can be built more like an airplane.

Unless that spaceship is occasionally subject to bombardment by hostile weapons. Then it, too, needs to be "built like a fortress". Need I remind you that the X-Universe is a much more hostile environment than even the Marianas Trench?

[perkint]

Says who?

I'm not even sure exactly what you're going on about

I'm guessing he means who says there has to be 2 people in the cockpit...



Tim

[GT182]

On the subject of "Super Highways". Is this really a "Wormhole' you can manuver in? If so, call it a Wornhole you can manuver in.

BTW, the link to the Super Highway photo isn't all that great for seeing what it looks like.

[Zetoss]

Says who?

I'm not even sure exactly what you're going on about

I'm guessing he means who says there has to be 2 people in the cockpit...

This is the most likely explanation, I guess not everyone has noticed the fact that we will most certainly have two seats in the cockpit that we are discussing as we are supposed to have a co-pilot that seems to be of some humanoid form, at least in regards to using a seat to pilot the ship for us when needed.

GT182: The images are thumbnails chosen for quick overview, if you want specific detailed information on any of the subjects at all you should read the stickies. This thread is only supposed to cover the basics in as little space as possible for a quick glimpse of what we can expect once the game is released. Btw, no: this is not a wormhole at all, this is just an accelerated "road" between two gates.

[perkint]

Says who?

I'm not even sure exactly what you're going on about

I'm guessing he means who says there has to be 2 people in the cockpit...

This is the most likely explanation, I guess not everyone has noticed the fact that we will most certainly have two seats in the cockpit that we are discussing as we are supposed to have a co-pilot that seems to be of some humanoid form, at least in regards to using a seat to pilot the ship for us when needed

Who says both of you have to be in the cockpit? Things might be different that far into the future

Tim

[Geek]

Er, because the copilot must be able to take the commands anytime the player use VR to fly drones ? She can hardly be in a separate room.

[perkint]

You think it's difficult to communicate from one room to the next, when the technology is available to take VR control of a remote ship, possibly thousands (or more) of miles away?



Don't get me wrong, I suspect the cockpit will have space for several people, but it doesn't have to have

Tim

[Geek]

Yes, because even with that tech, there is still a cockpit, so everything is not virtualized.

[AkrionXxarr]

Yes, because even with that tech, there is still a cockpit, so everything is not virtualized.

And the pilot is positioned on the far left of the cockpit in the screenshots, this would be pointless if there wasn't a copilot seat it had to make room for. But even if there isn't, one can still judge how wide the cockpit is by looking at the curve of the window.

[nemesis1982]

I do agree that it wouldn't be necassesary to have your copilot in the same cockpit. Technically speaking it's possible. But what purpose would it server. There would be no logical reason to place them in sepperate cockpits.

I do think that you could possibly make a calculated gues about the dimensions of the Albion (as I've done in a previous post). However this will be always be a gues. Although you might get quite close you'd be basing it on art work, an image in a cerain persective and conjecture which would give an indication but with a large margen of error.

[Bobucles]

Then it, too, needs to be "built like a fortress". Need I remind you that the X-Universe is a much more hostile environment than even the Marianas Trench?

Ah, but that also depends on what the ship was built for. A warship obviously needs to be tough and effective in battle, but the same isn't true for civilian type vessels. They can be as cheap and flimsy as the owner is willing to risk. No one said it had to be a smart idea.

I'm guessing he means who says there has to be 2 people in the cockpit...

Basically this. The Skunk seems to be around corvette class, maybe a half dozen crew at least? Two people seems a good fit for the cockpit. However there may be other logistical needs for the ship. Who's to say the ship won't need a comms officer, or a gunner, or some other specialist on the bridge? One can argue that the Skunk's bridge might need 3 or 4 people in high stress situations. One could argue a freighter is fine with only one pilot, or that a capital frigate needs a dozen officers to function. It really depends on the size and complexity of the ship.

Also, it's a general rule that more advanced technology streamlines people out of the equation. It is hinted that the Skunk has a long history, so it could be an older model that simply requires more people to function.

[AkrionXxarr]

I'm guessing he means who says there has to be 2 people in the cockpit...

Basically this. The Skunk seems to be around corvette class, maybe a half dozen crew at least? Two people seems a good fit for the cockpit. However there may be other logistical needs for the ship. Who's to say the ship won't need a comms officer, or a gunner, or some other specialist on the bridge? One can argue that the Skunk's bridge might need 3 or 4 people in high stress situations. One could argue a freighter is fine with only one pilot, or that a capital frigate needs a dozen officers to function. It really depends on the size and complexity of the ship.

Also, it's a general rule that more advanced technology streamlines people out of the equation. It is hinted that the Skunk has a long history, so it could be an older model that simply requires more people to function.

And exactly where or how was I implying there wouldn't be more than 2 people? At what point were my explanations about the minimum possible size of the ship saying that there would only be 2 people?