End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft

[Newinger]

No, not every game is in one way or another political. What does a game of Mario Kart have to do with politics?

I am not sure if you're interested in a discussion of this actually very interesting question, but for starters on the topic I recommend the following:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ry-117289/

(...and for Super Mario, here's an interesting opinion peace about the mobile spinoff Super Mario Run: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/opin ... itics.html )

X4 has quite a lot political aspects to it. The player can shape the political landscape of the universe, by participating in wars (or avoiding them), by supporting one faction or another, by even aligning with one faction (by getting their military ship licenses and their police licenses). Want the nationalist Terrans rule the universe? Can do that. Want to stop the religous extremists of the Paranid factions? Can do it. Or want to unite both? Possible, too. Want to just get rich regardless how? You can do this, too (but this is also a political decision then). These aspects are not as strong in X4 as in 4X games, of course, but they are still there (and they are one reason I love X4).

Anyway, I don't want to de-rail this thread.

[SirConnery]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ry-117289/

(...and for Super Mario, here's an interesting opinion peace about the mobile spinoff Super Mario Run: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/opin ... itics.html )

The second article is only for subscribers.

The video game and politics topic seems to be a rebranding of the age old question of whether art reflects reality or reality reflects art. I don't think we're gonna solve that question in this thread.

[Techedge]

I'd rather games stay games and a way to escape reality instead of sticking in some meaningless slogans in completely unrelated games.

I don't need to see "Remember the holocaust, never again" in any game that doesn't directly deal with the holocaust. Don't need reminders of people starving in Africa in games that don't directly deal with Africa.

I don't need a reminder of real life in games where I go to escape real life, thank you very much.

I understand your point (and agree with you) but you misunderstood (or I wasn't clear enough): I wasn't thinking at all about the war in the moment I was watching credits, why would I? And I wasn't thanking Egosoft for their effort in stopping the war with a sentence at the very end of the credit roll (I'm sarcastic). I was thanking Egosoft for creating a nice shaped world where you can immerse and forget about reality for some time.
If you prefer, you can forget about your job, or school if someone is a student, or your wife if your marriage is not so happy...

The sentence (which I nod to, anyway) was just an excuse to thank the developers, not for a specific patch or feature but for the whole game(s) in general.

Since this is rapidly becoming about feelings and opinions rather than gameplay, I'll move this to OT. Please carry on posting in there.

Yeah, I'm sorry, probably a wrong choice from the beginning... but, you know, I always write about gameplay, I was watching credits... it seemed appropriate...

it would be much more helpful to do some charity for refugees or material support to Ukraine.
Words are cheap, actions are what makes the difference.

We've donated a substantial amount, we're talking to several game developers located in Ukraine about how we can involve them in our projects and we're using our reach on social media channels to spread information about ways to help. Please don't assume that we're not taking actions, just because we're not publically shouting from the rooftops about them.

I have no doubt you did, as many of us have probably done something, anything in our power, in these days...

[Bababa]

Even more reason i wont buy the new dlcs. Western devs and their virtue signaling shenanigans are annoying and come off extremely hypocritical.

Egosoft has already fallen into the woke bs (they're germans...so kinda expected) and now they pretend they care about ukranians (spoiler: they don't) the same way they cared about Palestinians, Syrians, Yemenis, etc...or maybe, like the us media said, the non ukranians were brown so westerners (inlcuding Egosoft) dont care about them. So much for the woke image they created for themselves.

Egosoft is putting real life political crap in its game then has the audacity to tell us not to talk about politics in the forums.

Sad to see once-were great devs turning into this tbh.

[Falcrack]

Even more reason i wont buy the new dlcs. Western devs and their virtue signaling shenanigans are annoying and come off extremely hypocritical.

Egosoft has already fallen into the woke bs (they're germans...so kinda expected) and now they pretend they care about ukranians (spoiler: they don't) the same way they cared about Palestinians, Syrians, Yemenis, etc...or maybe, like the us media said, the non ukranians were brown so westerners (inlcuding Egosoft) dont care about them. So much for the woke image they created for themselves.

Egosoft is putting real life political crap in its game then has the audacity to tell us not to talk about politics in the forums.

Sad to see once-were great devs turning into this tbh.

A person need not be "woke" or "politically correct" to be outraged by the completely immoral invasion of Ukraine.

[linolafett]

[...]and now they pretend they care about ukranians (spoiler: they don't) [...]

I just stop you right here.
Next to me is sitting my dear colleauge from Charkiw (Харків) and i bloody well care about him, his wife and his family which is deeply affected by the war.

Just to repeat what Gregory said:

We've donated a substantial amount, we're talking to several game developers located in Ukraine about how we can involve them in our projects and we're using our reach on social media channels to spread information about ways to help. Please don't assume that we're not taking actions, just because we're not publically shouting from the rooftops about them.

[fiksal]

now they pretend they care about ukranians (spoiler: they don't) the same way they cared about Palestinians, Syrians, Yemenis, etc...or maybe, like the us media said, the non ukranians were brown so westerners (inlcuding Egosoft) dont care about them. So much for the woke image they created for themselves.

and you don't care about Ukrainians.

I also question how exactly do YOU care about Palestinians?


empathy is a skill that many learn early on, but those that don't have it will never "get it"

[Alan Phipps]

I think that linolafett has effectively dealt with this thread topic and after 10 days we don't want to restart discussion of other posters and their motivations thanks.