Russia-Ukraine War

[fiksal]

Short term and knee jerk reactions are well within Russia's capabilities.
You do recall this is the country that started the war with Ukraine, right? Before that it was the less crazy country that destroyed cheese and tomatoes with bulldozer just to show the West who is the boss. - do you remember that one?


There's probably somewhere a Russian general smilling at his brilliant idea while others are still wondering - what the hell was that for?


ambigious show of power is what it might be.

[chew-ie]

.. cheese got annihilated ..

That's just. ... evil

[mr.WHO]

US announced that they will merge and centrally coourdinate all NATO training programs of Ukraine forces - apperently till now each NATO country was doing it on it's own.


According to Russian sources, Ukraine encircled Russian forces in Lyman. This is first encirlmement of Russian forces, but not first encirlement of this war - there was Mariupol and Chernichiv (encicrled, but sucessfully fought and the encirlement has been lifted).




Edit:

Only Hungary and Turkey left in Finland and Sweden NATO ratification process.

[Chips]

Apparently Russia can't repair the pipelines unless sanctions are lifted...

As for who profits most, apparently some here think the USA. But lets look at a few perspectives.

Why is Russia annexing regions? Why is it making threats about nukes or all out war if attacking Russia, and claiming land that's an active warzone is Russian? Blackmail, scaremongering and bargaining. The annexation is a clear hope it intimidates and frightens Ukraine or its allies, that escalation and nukes will occur. It bolsters the people back home's opinion (now it's Russia being attacked... not some special military operation, but save the motherland). Imagine a ceasefire happens. Russia wants sanctions lifted, it's bitched and whined about them from the start.

Europe has complained and whined about the gas.

Now the two are linked. They can't now supply gas (in the fantasy world things turn to a state of north/south korea-esque indefinite war/peace scenario or even if not) without sanctions being lifted. There's nothing more to do... and winter is coming, and the public of Germany and other nations may "freeze" with power outages, business not working and so on (that's a lot of public pressure to not be involved in war/sanctions).

Russia has nothing to gain? Uh huh. Seems more plausible than the USA did it to... *vague hand waving* reasons.

As for the annexation - they don't even control large areas of 2 of the regions they're claiming. Blimey.

[fiksal]

.. cheese got annihilated ..

That's just. ... evil

oh yeah, Russia can't have western cheese, it's probably full of anti ethnic Russian viruses...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 818186.amp

or am I confusing it with Ukrainian birds.... anyways, the cheese and tomato problem was solved.

The birds flew away though.

[JSDD]

As for who profits most, apparently some here think the USA. But lets look at a few perspectives.

US fracking gas is in competition with cheap russian pipeline gas ...
// maybe "competition" is the wrong word here ... russian gas is 8x cheaper

the US attacked japan in the 19th century ... you know why?
=> their borders were closed for foreigners, including their companies ...that war was "US economic policy"

... as it is right now, and has been for the last couple of years ... what "interest" could the US have in the energy policy of a foreign continent ?
// dont make me laugh with that "energy security" argument ...
// in the eyes of the US, everything is about "security" ... national security means spying on merkels phone calls, even if merkel wasnt in US territory

and if it wasnt the US, then it was poland, they just finished themselves building a new pipeline to the north (some wiking country, dunno which .. )

[Sovereign01]

From looking at the map, there's literally no country surrounding Ukraine that fallout can land on without repercussions against Russia- north and east is Belarus/Russia, south is Crimea then over the black sea NATO, west is more NATO.

[JSDD]

N ... aive
A ... american
T ... ool to
O ... verreach into other countries

[Cpt.Jericho]

US fracking gas is in competition with cheap russian pipeline gas ...
// maybe "competition" is the wrong word here ... russian gas is 8x cheaper

Not to forget that by the destruction of the pipelines said expensive fracking gas (no matter where it was mined) is now the only option for Europe. Swinging the dependency from East to West doesn't make countries less dependant but easier to control.

[mr.WHO]

You anti-US delusions fail to notice that all the recent gas deals to compensate in Europe are from Norway, North Africa and Middle East.

American fracking in majority for American market, plus Europe has it's own fracking reserves if things would get desperate in long term.

[Falcrack]

N ... aive
A ... american
T ... ool to
O ... verreach into other countries

You should move to Russia. I think you would be a lot happier there.

As to "overreaching into other countries", I would think that if that truly bothered you, you would not be such a sucker for Russian propaganda.

[EGO_Aut]

You anti-US delusions fail to notice that all the recent gas deals to compensate in Europe are from Norway, North Africa and Middle East.

American fracking in majority for American market, plus Europe has it's own fracking reserves if things would get desperate in long term.

It is not only gas, it is profizzz.
Last year US fracking was not good enough to be profitable.
These days are gone - for years w/o NS pipelines. $$$$$

And we do not like fracking, better renewable energy - where its possible.

ATM there are some steel blast furnances(?) down to save gas - german automotive industry is nervous

@Falcrack
I do not know where you from, but which nation has the NATO supreme command in the EU?

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Always USA

[Warenwolf]

@Falcrack
I do not know where you from, but which nation has the NATO supreme command in the EU?

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Show

Always USA

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

[Cpt.Jericho]

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Moot point, with NS1+2 destroyed we'll never know.

[UnknownObject]

Even in the current grim time humor has its place. It's hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLFK0hXOZ8
English subtitles are available.

[chew-ie]

S.P.E.C.I.A.L. ahahaha

[Warenwolf]

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Moot point, with NS1+2 destroyed we'll never know.

There are four other pipeline systems capable of transporting oil and gas from Russia to Europe. How do you think oil was transported to Europe from Russia before 2011? In buckets with bicycle?

And there are plenty of those in European politics on far right and left who favor Putin. Beside there being truckload of other methods Putin can influence politics on the continent...

So my question to Ego_Aut is very relevant - would Europe be better of if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

[Sovereign01]

This video seems applicable right now.

[burger1]

This video seems applicable right now.

Matches their crazy annexation speech and Putin while giving it. He might be a bit distressed and unhinged. Probably has some stresses from reality.

12.3 Billion more aid to Ukraine from US. Canada giving more aid also. Lend lease still to start up in October? Production of some stuff to greatly increase by many multiples over time. Line ups of over 2 days at borders leaving Russia?

Germany's getting an official Ukraine training base.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-pentagon-plann ... a-63297386

the new command would report to General Christopher G. Cavoli, the top US officer in Europe, and would execute decisions made by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a 40-country coalition created by the Defense Department to help Ukraine.

Among other things, it would oversee the instruction of Ukrainian troops at training ranges in Germany in addition to coordinating technical support centers, such as those involved in repairing weapons provided by the US, in other countries, the report said.

[EGO_Aut]

Would it be better if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Moot point, with NS1+2 destroyed we'll never know.

...

So my question to Ego_Aut is very relevant - would Europe be better of if Putin was calling the shots in Europe?

Just as America is not the US, neither is Europe the EU. Sovereign states should not differentiate themselves from others dictate what they must do.
Neither from US nor from EU and also not from RU. (Isn't that why there is a war in UKR?)

An attack on a country's infrastructure is a reason for war, and among allies a no-go that must at least be severely sanctioned.