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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Tamina » Mon, 25. Mar 24, 18:50

From all what we know so far, the recent events in Russia are not related to the Ukraine war - at the time of this writing, that is.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by burger1 » Tue, 26. Mar 24, 11:09

Kharkiv, Ukraine still mostly without power for about 3 days so far? Ukraine has struck some power plants in Russia but their powered has been restored.

very much a rumor - Konstantin Olshansky ship hit

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 07:34

Aparently Czechia found another 800k 155mm shells for Ukraine, so for this year Ukraine is safe in this regard.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by fiksal » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 19:10

So I hear Putin is massaging the country to prepare for forever war with the West. In case you missed it, US is officially being accused of terrorist attack on Russian soil - do you think that's an act of war in the Kremlin minds?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by burger1 » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:07

Konstantin Olshansky ship tilting to one side and being supported by another ship.

More oil depots hit.

Meat waves let up a bit (~25% reduction) for a few days but have resumed.
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Wed, 27. Mar 24, 19:10
So I hear Putin is massaging the country to prepare for forever war with the West. In case you missed it, US is officially being accused of terrorist attack on Russian soil - do you think that's an act of war in the Kremlin minds?
Does it matter. Threats from Russia are at least a weekly occurrence. So far Russia fired missiles on UK military planes, blown stuff up in and likely killed people in nato territories, killed foreign citizens from nato countries, interfered with elections and governments in nato, etc.... Watch actions vs what they say.

There's a conspiracy theory: There's guys in matching blue outfits (sweater+pants) at the shooting scene who weren't attacked and didn't appear alarmed. One with a prominent facial feature might have been one of the people who captured one of terrorists later. Haven't really looked into it.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Tamina » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:08

fiksal wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 19:10
So I hear Putin is massaging the country to prepare for forever war with the West. In case you missed it, US is officially being accused of terrorist attack on Russian soil - do you think that's an act of war in the Kremlin minds?
I missed that apparently. Any citations?
German media only reports Putin partly blaming Ukraine for the attack. And Putin checking for options to end the war.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by alt3rn1ty » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:28

There's a report on CNN about Belarus leader Lukashenko undermining Putins claim of Kyiv helping ISIS terrorists to escape ..
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/26/euro ... index.html
But Lukashenko, one of Putin’s most loyal allies, on Tuesday appeared to contradict the Kremlin’s claims, saying that the attackers initially intended to enter Belarus rather than Ukraine.

“They could not enter Belarus. Their handlers… knew that it would be a very bad idea to try to enter Belarus, because Belarus immediately reinforced security measures,” Lukashenko said, according to Belarusian news agency Belta.

Lukashenko said he received reports from Russian authorities “minutes” after the attack began and put Belarusian units on combat alert, setting up checkpoints on roads to prevent the attackers entering the country.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:29

Tamina wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:08
I missed that apparently. Any citations?
All Russian propagandist, like Soloviov ride with the typical vague US/UK is involved and backed Ukrainians which are branded as instigators.

Unfortunately I only have Russian videos with Polish subtitles/commentary (albeit you can easily understand first sentence in this video even as english):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgvYcuNmg3s
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Warenwolf » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:42

Tamina wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:08
I missed that apparently. Any citations?
German media only reports Putin partly blaming Ukraine for the attack. And Putin checking for options to end the war.
German media is not exactly top notch in that regard. Why - I frankly don't know nor am I willing to speculate.

Anyway, regarding Kremlin linking US (and UK and UKR) for the terror attack;
https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/rus ... cow-attack

As to analyses on what Putin wants next:
Although Putin’s war planners envisaged a lightning attack that would take Kyiv in a matter of days, diplomats, insiders, observers and activists largely believe that Putin is now ready for a far longer conflict that could take years, if not decades.

“Putin appears to have dug in; he will not stop the war unless he is forced to do it,” said a senior western diplomat in Moscow. “We do not believe he is serious about any peace talks and it would be up to Ukraine anyway to decide them. From my rare meetings with Russian diplomats, I get a sense that they are feeling more self-assured than after the start of the war.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... on-outlook

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by fiksal » Wed, 27. Mar 24, 23:59

Tamina wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 21:08
fiksal wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 19:10
So I hear Putin is massaging the country to prepare for forever war with the West. In case you missed it, US is officially being accused of terrorist attack on Russian soil - do you think that's an act of war in the Kremlin minds?
I missed that apparently. Any citations?
German media only reports Putin partly blaming Ukraine for the attack. And Putin checking for options to end the war.
Here you go


https://tass.ru/politika/20362511
MOSCOW, March 26. /TASS/. The USA, Great Britain and Ukraine are behind the terrorist attack in Crocus City Hall. The head of the Russian FSB, Alexander Bortnikov, told reporters about this.

We think so. In any case, we are now talking about the [info] that we have. This is general information, but they also have great achievements,” he said, answering the question after participating in the expanded board of the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation whether the USA, Great Britain and Ukraine were behind the terrorist attack.

Bortnikov believes that Ukraine is trying to prove its worth. “What needs to be done in order to prove one’s worth? It is necessary to carry out sabotage and terrorist acts in the rear, which is what both the leadership of the Ukrainian intelligence services and the British intelligence services are aiming at. The American intelligence services have spoken about this more than once,” he said.

He noted that there is a huge amount of information in the public space, which “indicates that the West and Ukraine are striving to cause greater harm to our country.” “These are drone strikes, these are attacks by unmanned boats at sea, this is the entry of sabotage groups and terrorist structures into our territory,” concluded the FSB director.

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burger1 wrote:
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Does it matter. Threats from Russia are at least a weekly occurrence. So far Russia fired missiles on UK military planes, blown stuff up in and likely killed people in nato territories, killed foreign citizens from nato countries, interfered with elections and governments in nato, etc.... Watch actions vs what they say.
This is a bit different, this is oriented internally, to tell Russians that they are at war with US, or about to. Cold war is one thing, this statement says an active war.

And it's not from propaganda, this is highest intelligence service.

So, who among Russians, that think FSB never lies, believe this?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by burger1 » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 07:40

If nothing else hopefully it will finally get NATO countries to increase weapons production which should have happened on day 1 of the invasion vs 2+ years later. US might have increased it's nuclear stockpile of higher yield weapons but other countries probably haven't except Russia, China, North Korea and likely Iran. US also got rid of most of it's chemical weapons which would be useful in a ground war and might have been part of MAD. China's also increasing it's military by a lot. Maybe the term losing the peace is applicable to this situation?

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Tamina » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 08:22

Thanks guys.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by chew-ie » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 12:28

Good news for Poland, Baltic states, Czech Rebulic and NATO: Russia won't attack [them]. All can relax now and lower their guards.
Russia has no designs on any Nato country and will not attack Poland, the Baltic states or the Czech Republic but if the west supplies F-16 fighters to Ukraine then they will be shot down by Russian forces, president Vladimir Putin said late on Wednesday, reports news agency Reuters.
@source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -countries

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Warenwolf » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 13:19

Oh, well, time to disarm. I am sure this time he is being honest...

From January 2022:
The Kremlin on Friday rebuffed allegations that a buildup of its troops near Ukraine reflects Moscow’s aggressive intentions, saying that Russia needs to ensure its security in response to alleged NATO threats.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov dismissed Western media reports that Moscow has intentions to invade Ukraine as a “hollow and unfounded attempt to incite tensions.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by notaterran » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 14:23

My thoughts exactly, let's take Putin at his word and not worry about weapon production and military readiness.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by notaterran » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 14:28

mr.WHO wrote:
Wed, 27. Mar 24, 07:34
Aparently Czechia found another 800k 155mm shells for Ukraine, so for this year Ukraine is safe in this regard.

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Good to see that more Europeans are paying attention to European history: appeasement does NOT work. There's no business as usual with Russia after their invasion.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by fiksal » Thu, 28. Mar 24, 14:30

Two things have been shown true by this war
- if Kremlin out a blue accusses someone in something ridiculous, Kremlin probably did it or thought about doing it, or about to do it
- if Kremlin makes an out the blue statement, it's probably already done this or thinking about it
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by Warenwolf » Fri, 29. Mar 24, 13:38

Yesterday Czech intelligence announced that they have uncovered a Moscow-financed network that spread Kremlin propaganda + influence politics around Europe, including the European Parliament.

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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/ ... ork-a84656

This is kinda old news - this has been going on for over a decade now (at least) - here is a case from February this year but good that finally something is being done about it.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by chew-ie » Fri, 29. Mar 24, 13:47

Indeed. Given the involved and payed political parties it might also help push back some populist which grew in so many countries...

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War

Post by burger1 » Fri, 12. Apr 24, 21:31

Either Russian meat wave attacks have slightly decreased or Ukraine is being less active.

US aid to Ukraine aid still at the same point it was about 6 months ago. Still no action just fake/pointless talk/stalling.

Some more oil refineries hit, planes blown up, planes that might not have been blown up, etc...

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