Biggest Monument to Racism in the US Coming Down

[Golden_Gonads]

Cute, but there's no evidence that anyone lived in north America before the natives did.

You may think war is the driving force, but it's clearly personal greed, and almost always bolstered by a sense of entitlement. Karens weren't born into the world just last year, ya know.

The point I was trying to make was that every scrap of land has been fought over and changed hands numerous times in the distant past.

The native tribes in the America's fought one another just as readily as Europeans did.

[BaronVerde]

The native tribes in the America's fought one another just as readily as Europeans did.

On wikipedia I'd say [citation needed], specifically for the wording and generalisation. Intertribal 'wars' may have been the case at the time when the Europeans arrived, contemporary to the late medieval/rennaissance period, and the centuries before. Not too much is known about Paleoamericans between the arrival of humans ~17000 years ago (discussed) and Columbus. Though central Americans had quarrels pre-Columbian too, but even there we're talking about 2000 BC and later. In the old world, organized war starts with the invention of metals in the bronze age. That's just ~5000 years ago, 200 generations ... a wink of an eye if I may say so.

~17000 years of human occupation in the Americas cannot compare to the 3 million years of human evolution in the rest of the world. Am as sorry as possible, but America plays no role in the evolution of humans, and shouldn't be put as a generalisation for human behaviour.

Anyway past violence is not an excuse not to change things. We're intelligent enough to judge on our own, removing a symbol of intolerance is a step in the right direction, though many of those are left.

This was just an opinion, *hough*

[mr.WHO]

Watch these two YT videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmjnioNulo

In short American and Australian natives never stood a chance simply due to nature (no proper farm/workhorse animals) - the fun fact is that simply by the whim of some stupid Chinese Emperor (that scraped the imperial fleet and pull China into isolationism), America wasn't colonized by China first a century or two earlier.

[notaterran]

Predictably, Trump is supporting Lee and complaining about the removal of the statue. Also predictably, most Republicans are staying silent on this topic.

“He should be remembered as perhaps the greatest unifying force after the war was over, ardent in his resolve to bring the North and South together through many means of reconciliation and imploring his soldiers to do their duty in becoming good citizens of this Country,” Trump added.

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Yep, never mind that Lee decided to attack the United States and was a White supremacist. Let's gloss over that.

[Vertigo 7]

typical revisionist history. But then again, the orange one is the same guy that thought we took control of airports from British forces during the American Revolution. Clearly, the guy knows all about history.

[felter]

If I stayed around there, I would be pretty happy to see the back of that statue, not just because of racism behind it but look at the pictures of it and all the vandalism it attracted. We had something similar here with a fountain that attracted a lot of vandalism, they knocked it down, and the vandalism went with it. The area looks a lot more respectful now, and I suspect the same will happen around the area where that statue stood.

[pjknibbs]

typical revisionist history. But then again, the orange one is the same guy that thought we took control of airports from British forces during the American Revolution. Clearly, the guy knows all about history.

Best part is this:

"In Wednesday’s statement, Trump said that if Lee were to have commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the country would have seen victory years ago."

He does realise that Lee *lost* his war, right?

[Vertigo 7]

typical revisionist history. But then again, the orange one is the same guy that thought we took control of airports from British forces during the American Revolution. Clearly, the guy knows all about history.

Best part is this:

"In Wednesday’s statement, Trump said that if Lee were to have commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the country would have seen victory years ago."

He does realise that Lee *lost* his war, right?

An enemy commander, that lost a war, in charge of our troops, would have won our war? My head hurts...